Islam: Religion of violence or peace?

[basketcase]

And the Iran/Iraq war (and the Kurds - also Turkey). Iraq-Kuwait. And Sudan's civil wars. Afghanistan's civil wars. Somalia. Civil(ish) war in Indonesia. Pakistan has been in a few wars as well. These would be wars involving Muslims in the 20th C.

Anyone who thinks that the Muslim world was peaceful before 1948 should do some investigation. You might include an investigation of what else was new in the Arab world in the 30's and 40's that created conflict. (hint - it's black and found under the ground). Add to this the collapse of the Ottoman Empire and the fading of colonialism allowed many of these Islamic countries the freedom to use violence as a political tool.

 

[basketcase]

On the topic, the religion itself doesn't promote violence more than others but currently there are many people willing to preach and accept an extremist, violent viewpoint.

 

[lookingforitallthetime]

On the topic, the religion itself doesn't promote violence more than others but there are many people willing to preach and accept an extremist, violent viewpoint right now.

Over the course of history, most all religions have been guilty of this.

Violence is an unavoidable part of the human condition. For some, religion tempers this condition. For others, it amplifies it.

 

[train]

Did Hitler fight his wars to spread his Christian faith?

.

Umm Dairy Queen Are you seriously trying to argue that Hiller did not target a religious group for death in the middle of his non-religious destruction ?

 

[scroll99]

Certainly, if you look at the carnage of the 20th century, the Christian nations of Europe and the west were responsible for most of the horror. Japanese militarism had some spiritual roots(ie, the divine emperor and a spitiual belief in Japanese destiny), but it seemed to me to be a byproduct of Japanese bushido and cultural tradition.

Islam had virtually no influence on 20th century slaughters. The rise of Islamic 'fundamentalism' seems to be related to the creation of the state of Israel by the western powers as opposed to something which just rose up out of the Koran.

Exactly !

 

[scroll99]

Rank Death Toll Cause
1 55 million Second World War (20th Century)

2 40 million Mao Zedong (mostly famine) (20th Century)

3 40 million Mongol Conquests 13Century

4 36 million An Lushan Revolt 8Century

5 25 million Fall of the Ming Dynasty 17Century

6 20 million Taiping Rebellion 19Century

7 20 million Annihilation of the American Indians 15C-19Century

8 20 million Iosif Stalin 20Century.

9 19 million Mideast Slave Trade 7C-19Century.

10 18 million Atlantic Slave Trade 15C-19Century.

11 17 million Timur Lenk 14C-15Century.

12 17 million British India (mostly famine) 19Century.

13 15 million First World War 20Century

14 9 million Russian Civil War 20Century

15 8 million Fall of Rome 3C-5Century

16 8 million Congo Free State 19C-20Century

17 7 million Thirty Years War 17Century

18 5 million Russia's Time of Troubles 16C-17Century

19 4 million Napoleonic Wars 19Century

20 3 million Chinese Civil War 20Century

21 3 million French Wars of Religion 16Century

Selected Death Tolls for Wars, Massacres and Atrocities Before the 20th Century
http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat0.htm

 

[TQM]

Examples, DQ?

You can do the exercise yourself.

Name the ten most peaceful nations, say, in the last 100 years, and go from there.

 

[fuji]

The wars are fought for political power and conquest of the opponent.

I was responding to chiller's comment that the slaughters of the 20th century were carried out by Christian nations.

My point is that there were many slaughters carried out in the 20th century by Muslims, just, those slaughters aren't as famous because the slaughtered weren't white Europeans or American.

In the distant past it is certainly true that Christians fought wars for overtly religious reasons, although we seem to have grown up since then--we now fight our wars for secular and economic reasons.

The slaughters recently and presently carried out by Muslims, though, are carried out for overty religious reasons. They seem not to have grown up the way we have.

 

[lookingforitallthetime]

I disagree. Religious leaders do not propagate wars.
Political and military leaders do so as to increase their
power and influence.

Religious leaders do not propagate wars????????????

You may want to reflect on this more.

Leaders fight wars to increase their power and prestige.
They will use Nationalism and any other means of stirring
the masses to fight and die for them.

Power, prestige and control are relevant to religious leaders as well. History has many examples of those who used their religion to stir the masses to fight and die for them. I'm surprised I have to remind you of this.

Though a country has a national religion it doesn't mean
their religion is the cause of their bellicose tendencies.

I never implied it did. My point is anything can "inspire" bellicose tendencies in certain individuals. Religious leaders have been guilty of this (even a few popes).

 

[lookingforitallthetime]

Religious leaders and political leaders use their
power as leaders to forment a military mentality.
Is there any doubt about the validity of that premise?

But they're not doing it to spread their belief system.

They are doing it to obtain control - the human factor,
not the spiritual factor.

Whatever the motivation, the premise that religious leaders do not propagate war is incorrect.

 

[lookingforitallthetime]

I stand corrected.

I should have said: They do not propagate war for religious reasons.

I still disagree. Some have done so.

Keep in mind I'm not don't blaming the religion (or the teachings of it) but rather the interpretation of those teachings by certain individuals (including religious leaders).

 

[Cinema Face]

Are you sure its religion?

Can you disregard Nationalism since the time of Napoleon?

Can you disregard the wealth or lands of their opponents?

Did the Greeks or Romans conquer in the name of religion?

Did Hitler fight his wars to spread his Christian faith?

Was the US Civil War fought for religious reasons or
for economic reasons? I don't recall the reason for
the South to cede from the Union because of religion.

Certainly there are other reasons to go to war and kill.


But when someone throws a grenade into a school bus full of Israeli children just because his religion told him to, then we need to hold that religion accountable.


Tabari VII:97 "The next morning, the Jews were in a state of fear on account of our attack upon the enemy of Allah. After the assassination, the Prophet declared, 'Kill every Jew.'"


Bukhari:V1B1N6 "Just issue orders to kill every Jew in the country."

Tabari VIII:29 "The Prophet said, 'No one should pray the afternoon prayer until they are in the territory of the Qurayza because warfare against the Jews is incumbent upon Muslims.'"

Bukhari:V5B59N362 "So the Prophet killed the Qurayza men. [the Qurayza were a tribe of Jews living in Medina before the prophet exterminated them] He distributed their women, children and property among the Muslims."


Yes, people are free to make their own choices and suffer the consequences. However, when someone is born into this mentality and taught to hate Jews and all things non-Muslim and they’ve been indoctrinated since birth, you can’t really blame them for acting on their beliefs. We need to take a serious look at that belief system and see it for what it is.


Doctrines of hatred such as Nazism and the KKK have risen up before and we’ve stood up against them. This one passes itself off as a religion and as such in order to be PC we have to acquiesce to it.



Here’s a comparison between two like minded doctrines. As you can see, der Fuhrer and der prophet were like minded in their opinion of Jews.




Mein Kampf:75 "The physical uncleanliness of the chosen people was as repelling as their moral blemishes."

Ishaq:250 "The bestial transformation occurred when Allah turned Jews into apes, despised."

Qur'an 59:14 "The Jews are devoid of sense. There is a grievous punishment awaiting them. Satan tells them not to believe so they will end up in Hell."




Mein Kampf:82 "They are seducers who condemned truth and denied the word. They are not to be pitied, but to be given their due - to smash the seducer and corrupter against the wall."

Ishaq:240 "The Jews are a nation of liars.... The Jews are a treacherous, lying, and evil people."



Mein Kampf:75 "The little Jew, blinded by the sudden light, was like a maggot in a rotting corpse." Mein Kampf:76 "Jews are a spiritual pestilence - infected with a disease worse than the Black Plague. They are spiritual and moral poison, the carriers of the worst sort of germs, infecting the minds of the world."

Ishaq:248 "Allah increases their sickness. A tormented doom awaits the Jews. Allah said, 'They are mischief makers. They are fools. The Jews deny the truth and contradict what the Apostle has brought. I will mock them and let them continue to wander blindly.'"



And BTW, Hitler wasn’t a Christian. He was an atheist.

 

[fuji]

I disagree that Christians or Muslims or any other group foughtwars over religious reasons. The slaughters listed above werenot fought to encourage the dominance of a particular theology.

I think the separation of Pakistan out of India was remarkably religious in nature. I think that the Iranian revolution was a religious war. The current internecine conflict in Iraq is religious in nature. The Taliban's war in Afghanistan is fairly religious, as is the conflict in Somalia between the Islamic Courts and the government.

To pick a recent non-Muslim example look at Northern Ireland.

Certainly there are elements of power in these conflicts, but that is because the religious institutions see themselves as the legitimate holders and wielders of earthly power.

In some of those instances the objective was forced conversion, in that the winner expects to be able to impose adherence to a specific faith on all who fall under their power.

Al Qaeda's specific stated goal is the establishment of a religious Caliphate across the Middle East that would impose AQ's brand of religion on everyone there.

To pretend that religion does not play a factor here is silly.

 

[scroll99]

The Old Testament has many passages that support
the destruction of their enemies. Imprecatory prayers
in the Psalms are common.

AGAIN CF posted some text which he make it looks like its from the Quran ... lol

 

[scroll99]

Biblical Atrocities

Exodus 32: 3,000 Israelites killed by Moses for worshipping the golden calf.

Numbers 31: After killing all men, boys and married women among the Midianites, 32,000 virgins remain as booty for the Israelites. (If unmarried girls are a quarter of the population, then 96,000 people were killed.)

Joshua:

Joshua 8: 12,000 men and women, all the people of Ai, killed.

Joshua 10: Joshua completely destroys Gibeon ("larger than Ai"), Makeddah, Libnah, Lachish, Eglon, Hebron, Debir. "He left no
survivors."

Joshua 11: Hazor destroyed. [Paul Johnson, A History of the Jews (1987), estimates the population of Hazor at ?> 50,000]

TOTAL: if Ai is average, 12,000 x 9 = 108,000 killed.

Judges 1: 10,000 Canaanites k. at Battle of Bezek. Jerusalem and Zephath destroyed.

Judges 3: ca. 10,000 Moabites k. at Jordan River.

Judges 8: 120,000 Midianite soldiers k. by Gideon

Judges 20: Benjamin attacked by other tribes. 25,000 killed.

1 Samuel 4: 4,000 Isrealites killed at 1st Battle of Ebenezer/Aphek. 30,000 Isr. k. at 2nd battle.
David:

2 Samuel 8: 22,000 Arameans of Damascus and 18,000 Edomites killed in 2 battles.

2 Samuel 10: 40,000 Aramean footsoldiers and 7,000 charioteers killed at Helam.

2 Samuel 18: 20,000 Israelites under Absalom killed at Ephraim.

1 Kings 20: 100,000 Arameans killed by Israelites at Battle of Aphek. Another 27,000 killed by collapsing wall.

2 Chron 13: Judah beat Israel and inflicted 500,000 casualties.

2 Chron 25: Amaziah, king of Judah, k. 10,000 from Seir in battle and executed 10,000 POWs. Discharged Judean soldiers pillaged and killed 3,000.

2 Chron 28: Pekah, king of Israel, slew 120,000 Judeans

TOTAL: That comes to about 1,283,000 mass killings specifically enumerated in the Bible. The battle of 2_Chron_13 is so much larger than all the others that we probably should doubt it
http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstatv.htm#Biblical

 

[lookingforitallthetime]

We've narrowed the issue we're debating.

I agreed with your assessment that man, not religions kill people. I agreed with your assessment that humans are "hard wired" with a natural propensity for violence.

I disagree with your assessment religious leaders have never been guilty of perpetrating violent acts and/or war.

The religious teachings of the Christian liturgy are
perverted for the benefit of the national rulers who
exploited Christianity for their own purposes.

The teachings have also been perverted for the benefit of certain Popes (Pope John 12, Pope Urban 6, Pope Alexander 6) and evangelical ministers. Evil deeds have been done in the name of Christianity.

How can the religious teachings of Jesus justify
invasions and warfare? It simply cannot be done.

Agreed

It can be so perverted when the clerics purpose is
not a religious belief but a desire for earthly power.

It can also be perverted by religious beliefs (The Spanish Inquisition, Salem witch hunts, etc.).

 

[Cinema Face]

Rank Death Toll Cause
1 55 million Second World War (20th Century)

2 40 million Mao Zedong (mostly famine) (20th Century)

3 40 million Mongol Conquests 13Century

4 36 million An Lushan Revolt 8Century

5 25 million Fall of the Ming Dynasty 17Century

6 20 million Taiping Rebellion 19Century

7 20 million Annihilation of the American Indians 15C-19Century

8 20 million Iosif Stalin 20Century.

9 19 million Mideast Slave Trade 7C-19Century.

10 18 million Atlantic Slave Trade 15C-19Century.

11 17 million Timur Lenk 14C-15Century.

12 17 million British India (mostly famine) 19Century.

13 15 million First World War 20Century

14 9 million Russian Civil War 20Century

15 8 million Fall of Rome 3C-5Century

16 8 million Congo Free State 19C-20Century

17 7 million Thirty Years War 17Century

18 5 million Russia's Time of Troubles 16C-17Century

19 4 million Napoleonic Wars 19Century

20 3 million Chinese Civil War 20Century

21 3 million French Wars of Religion 16Century

Selected Death Tolls for Wars, Massacres and Atrocities Before the 20th Century
http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat0.htm

Scroll, you like to post some statistics of the world atrocities, thereby making Islam seem less despicable by comparison.

Let’s take a look at the Islamic atrocities. The history of Islam is little more than one 1400 year continuous atrocity.


The Islamic Terrorist timeline 1400 years of Islam, 1400 years of terrorism.

This is a lot of reading (over 1000 pages) because Islam has been very busy killing for the last 1400 years. And oh yeah, it’s a religion of peace.


Intoduction
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_Introduction.Islam

Islam’s 1,000 year crusade 622 to 1956
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_1000-Year_Crusade.Islam

1960 – 1969
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_1960-1969.Islam

1970
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_1970.Islam

1971
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_1971.Islam

1972
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_1972.Islam

1973
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_1973.Islam

1974
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_1974.Islam

1975
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_1975.Islam

1976
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_1976.Islam

1977
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_1977.Islam

1978
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_1978.Islam

1979
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_1979.Islam

1980
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_1980.Islam

1981
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_1981.Islam

1982
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_1982.Islam

1983
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_1983.Islam

1984
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_1984.Islam

1985
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_1985.Islam

1986
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_1986.Islam

1987
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_1987.Islam

1988
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_1988.Islam

1989
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_1989.Islam

1990
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_1990.Islam

1991
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_1991.Islam

1992
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_1992.Islam

1993
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_1993.Islam

1994
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_1994.Islam

1995
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_1995.Islam

1996
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_1996.Islam

1997
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_1997.Islam

1998
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_1998.Islam

1999
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_1999.Islam

2000 January to June
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_2000_January-June.Islam

2000 July to December
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_2000_July-December.Islam

2001 January to April
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_2001_January-April.Islam

2001 May to August
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_2001_May-August.Islam

2001 September
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_2001_September.Islam

2001 October to December
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_2001_October-December.Islam

2002 January to February
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_2002_January-February.Islam

2002 March to April
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_2002_March-April.Islam

2002 May to July
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_2002_May-July.Islam

2002 August to September
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_2002_August-September.Islam

2002 October
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_2002_October.Islam

2002 November
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_2002_November.Islam

2002 December
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_2002_December.Islam

2003 January to March 15
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_2003_January-March_15.Islam

2003 March 16 to 31
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_2003_March_16-March_31.Islam

2003 April
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_2003_April.Islam

2003 May
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_2003_May.Islam

2003 June
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_2003_June.Islam

2003 July to August
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_2003_July-August.Islam

2003 September to November
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_2003_September-November.Islam

2003 December
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_2003_December.Islam

2004 January to April
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_2004_January-April.Islam

2004 May to June
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_2004_May-June.Islam

2004 July to December
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_2004_July-December.Islam

 

[lookingforitallthetime]

If we eliminated religion we will not eliminate violence.

I agree with you 100% on this point but, that doesn't mean religion can not be used to incite violence.

 

[scroll99]

Scroll, you like to post some statistics of the world atrocities, thereby making Islam seem less despicable by comparison.

Let’s take a look at the Islamic atrocities. The history of Islam is little more than one 1400 year continuous atrocity.


The Islamic Terrorist timeline 1400 years of Islam, 1400 years of terrorism.

This is a lot of reading (over 1000 pages) because Islam has been very busy killing for the last 1400 years. And oh yeah, it’s a religion of peace.


Intoduction
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_Introduction.Islam

Islam’s 1,000 year crusade 622 to 1956
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_1000-Year_Crusade.Islam

1960 – 1969
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_1960-1969.Islam

1970
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_1970.Islam

1971
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_1971.Islam

1972
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_1972.Islam

1973
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_1973.Islam

1974
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_1974.Islam

1975
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_1975.Islam

1976
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_1976.Islam

1977
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_1977.Islam

1978
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_1978.Islam

1979
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_1979.Islam

1980
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_1980.Islam

1981
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_1981.Islam

1982
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_1982.Islam

1983
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_1983.Islam

1984
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_1984.Islam

1985
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_1985.Islam

1986
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_1986.Islam

1987
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_1987.Islam

1988
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_1988.Islam

1989
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_1989.Islam

1990
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_1990.Islam

1991
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_1991.Islam

1992
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_1992.Islam

1993
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_1993.Islam

1994
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_1994.Islam

1995
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_1995.Islam

1996
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_1996.Islam

1997
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_1997.Islam

1998
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_1998.Islam

1999
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_1999.Islam

2000 January to June
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_2000_January-June.Islam

2000 July to December
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_2000_July-December.Islam

2001 January to April
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_2001_January-April.Islam

2001 May to August
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_2001_May-August.Islam

2001 September
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_2001_September.Islam

2001 October to December
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_2001_October-December.Islam

2002 January to February
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_2002_January-February.Islam

2002 March to April
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_2002_March-April.Islam

2002 May to July
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_2002_May-July.Islam

2002 August to September
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_2002_August-September.Islam

2002 October
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_2002_October.Islam

2002 November
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_2002_November.Islam

2002 December
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_2002_December.Islam

2003 January to March 15
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_2003_January-March_15.Islam

2003 March 16 to 31
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_2003_March_16-March_31.Islam

2003 April
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_2003_April.Islam

2003 May
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_2003_May.Islam

2003 June
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_2003_June.Islam

2003 July to August
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_2003_July-August.Islam

2003 September to November
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_2003_September-November.Islam

2003 December
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_2003_December.Islam

2004 January to April
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_2004_January-April.Islam

2004 May to June
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_2004_May-June.Islam

2004 July to December
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_2004_July-December.Islam

Cinema , I challenge you to bring the facts without posting or refering to a HATE site ! LOL

 

[papasmerf]

Exodus 32: 3,000 Israelites killed by Moses for worshipping the golden calf.

Numbers 31: After killing all men, boys and married women among the Midianites, 32,000 virgins remain as booty for the Israelites. (If unmarried girls are a quarter of the population, then 96,000 people were killed.)

Joshua:

Joshua 8: 12,000 men and women, all the people of Ai, killed.

Joshua 10: Joshua completely destroys Gibeon ("larger than Ai"), Makeddah, Libnah, Lachish, Eglon, Hebron, Debir. "He left no
survivors."

Joshua 11: Hazor destroyed. [Paul Johnson, A History of the Jews (1987), estimates the population of Hazor at ?> 50,000]

TOTAL: if Ai is average, 12,000 x 9 = 108,000 killed.

Judges 1: 10,000 Canaanites k. at Battle of Bezek. Jerusalem and Zephath destroyed.

Judges 3: ca. 10,000 Moabites k. at Jordan River.

Judges 8: 120,000 Midianite soldiers k. by Gideon

Judges 20: Benjamin attacked by other tribes. 25,000 killed.

1 Samuel 4: 4,000 Isrealites killed at 1st Battle of Ebenezer/Aphek. 30,000 Isr. k. at 2nd battle.
David:

2 Samuel 8: 22,000 Arameans of Damascus and 18,000 Edomites killed in 2 battles.

2 Samuel 10: 40,000 Aramean footsoldiers and 7,000 charioteers killed at Helam.

2 Samuel 18: 20,000 Israelites under Absalom killed at Ephraim.

1 Kings 20: 100,000 Arameans killed by Israelites at Battle of Aphek. Another 27,000 killed by collapsing wall.

2 Chron 13: Judah beat Israel and inflicted 500,000 casualties.

2 Chron 25: Amaziah, king of Judah, k. 10,000 from Seir in battle and executed 10,000 POWs. Discharged Judean soldiers pillaged and killed 3,000.

2 Chron 28: Pekah, king of Israel, slew 120,000 Judeans

TOTAL: That comes to about 1,283,000 mass killings specifically enumerated in the Bible. The battle of 2_Chron_13 is so much larger than all the others that we probably should doubt it
http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstatv.htm#Biblical

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You quoting the Bible as fact is cool......Of course in so much as you accept it as fact you must then accept God as refered to in the Bible is the True God.