You sound surprised. You knew that Israel would retaliate while you were praising their Oct. 7 attack.
Israel at war
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The US knew that Hamas would attack if Israel made no moves towards peace.
Nobody was surprised they attacked.
2021:
Blinken: ‘There has to be’ a prospect for a peaceful political solution between Israel and Palestinians
“I think there has to be. I think both sides are reminded that we have to find a way to break the cycle, because if we don’t it will repeat itself at great cost,” Blinken told
So let me get this straight.
Hamas has spent almost two decades building miles upon miles of a subterranean tunnel network and amassed an arsenal of Iranian supplied weapons, rockets, fuel and gear to protect Gaza and it's civilians, but, didn't they forget to build something else in all that time? Something like a subterranean network of tunnels and shelters to protect the very people they purport to represent and protect. I mean, call it an almost two decade lapse in forethought, a two decade long temporary loss of memory, temporary amnesia. Call it what you will, but I'm quite certain they have signs on the doors to these miles upon miles of their subterranean tunnel network chock full of weapons, ammunition, rockets, fuel and gear that clearly state:
"KEEP OUT! HAMAS ONLY ALLOWED ENTRY. GAZANS NOT ALLOWED. FEND FOR YOURSELF!"
Hamas has spent almost two decades building miles upon miles of a subterranean tunnel network and amassed an arsenal of Iranian supplied weapons, rockets, fuel and gear to protect Gaza and it's civilians, but, didn't they forget to build something else in all that time? Something like a subterranean network of tunnels and shelters to protect the very people they purport to represent and protect. I mean, call it an almost two decade lapse in forethought, a two decade long temporary loss of memory, temporary amnesia. Call it what you will, but I'm quite certain they have signs on the doors to these miles upon miles of their subterranean tunnel network chock full of weapons, ammunition, rockets, fuel and gear that clearly state:
"KEEP OUT! HAMAS ONLY ALLOWED ENTRY. GAZANS NOT ALLOWED. FEND FOR YOURSELF!"
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Can you please post the stats on how many civilians on both sides have been killed in the past 20 years?
When you say "both sides" its important to note this is not just a war that is taking place right now its been ongoing for over 2 decades now. We can tell in this thread who is educated and has knowledge about the history of these two sides and those who are still trying to figure out the facts.
why do you say 2 decades? hasn't it been since the very creation of Israel in 1948?
Arafat was born to Palestinian parents in Cairo, Egypt, where he spent most of his youth and studied at the University of King Fuad I. While a student, he embraced Arab nationalist and anti-Zionist ideas. Opposed to the 1948 creation of the State of Israel, he fought alongside the Muslim Brotherhood during the 1948 Arab–Israeli War. Following the defeat of Arab forces, Arafat returned to Cairo and served as president of the General Union of Palestinian Students from 1952 to 1956.
In the latter part of the 1950s, Arafat co-founded Fatah, a paramilitary organization seeking the removal of Israel and its replacement with a Palestinian state.
Thanks, for clarifying and second part is my take on it. Not necessarily directed at anyone. But it is kind of “sad” that we need to see images of it, before we will believe it. And the media is about sensationalism, be it MSM. Or SM
I'm a realist. Thousands at Dresdin, in Stalingrad, in Hiroshima. In Darfur, In Ireland during the Potato Famine. Guns are the #1 cause of children's death in the USA. I can go on and on.
There is no clean war. Never has been, never will be. So long as the adults in Gaza place martyrdom and Islam above their own kids lives, and they do, this is the result.
I'm honestly past mourning over the fight over Jerusalem and the holyland. Of different muslim sects willing to die over trying to interpret the words of a warmongering David Koresh of the 8th century. I consider the nation of Islam a threat to Western Values, democracy and capitalism, as well as human rights.
I choose the side of the Jews for the simple reason they have better values. Its clear cut.
More what about ism. The war itself goes all the way back to 1949. With a few peace agreements, consistently broken and not accepted by Arab States and lately Palestinians.
This has been posted a few times now from different sources with some apparently still not wanting to believe. And while neither side is without sin. One side is clearly barbaric and the aggressor going all the way back to 1949, if a somewhat gentler word helps.
Israel shows Hamas bodycam attack footage to journalists - BBC News
The Israeli military screened 43 minutes of raw footage from bodycams, dashcams and CCTV.
www.bbc.co.uk
And if anyone is still struggling to understand why some here, and most civilized societies “support” Israel and or the eradication of Hamas/Terrorist. Read that a dozen times. And also keep in mind the fact, many wore Go Pros for home movies.
In many ways, we can call them the Darwin Award winners 2023 now. And even more people will “accept” ( realist of war) collateral damage.
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No, get it straight.
For nearly two decades the people of Gaza have lived in a concentration camp and are resisting the 75 year old occupation you support.
Israel has had 75 years to settle for a two state solution and instead wiped Palestine off the map.
Now they are wiping Palestinians off the planet.
Are you really backing genocide?
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I hear it works great on hospitals.
Though some aren't so happy with the press, not so good for the PR to be the face of genocide.
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Like this hospital
Hamas's idea of what to do with the money seems to be in line with Arafat, another miser billionaire.
Shelters which wouldn't be needed if they weren't firing rockets into Israel.
And yet they managed to build miles and miles of tunnels while Israel was controlling movement of building materials
Given that Israel has totally destroyed half of the housing in Gaza, its going to take a shit ton of money to fix.
Rockets which wouldn't have been fired if Israel had settled for the two state solution instead of building a concentration camp that is now a death camp.
Well, just for the record. What Israel is doing is so fucked up they have burned any good will worldwide. It's almost making what happened on October 7th look trivial in comparison.
In both cases. The people in charge should be removed. I saw an Israeli spokesman being asked by CNN about the fact that they need 1000 truckloads of supplies a day, including gasoline to run the generators in the hospitals and he said, well, we can't do that because Hamas will use fuel for launching rockets. Meanwhile hospitals have only a few hours of fuel to keep generators running and people are being operated on with no anesthetic. He didn't seem that concerned. He gave a calm, very low key explanation as if to a child, their reason for not changing course.
In both cases. The people in charge should be removed. I saw an Israeli spokesman being asked by CNN about the fact that they need 1000 truckloads of supplies a day, including gasoline to run the generators in the hospitals and he said, well, we can't do that because Hamas will use fuel for launching rockets. Meanwhile hospitals have only a few hours of fuel to keep generators running and people are being operated on with no anesthetic. He didn't seem that concerned. He gave a calm, very low key explanation as if to a child, their reason for not changing course.
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How about spending those financial aid into infrastructure, improve water supply, improve power supply, technology and not spend it on rockets and offer peace...Taiwan had a long on going conflict with China but they're not eager to start another violent war with China...why is that? Philippines have a long on going conflict regarding some islands on dispute...they're not eager to start a war with China...why is that?
