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Israel at war

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Do you think temporary foreign workers and students would fight in the Canadian army to defend Canada?
Do you think Palestinians are justified to fight to defend their country?
2 different questions. The 1.5M people of Russian origin (not Russians), are not temporary workers or students. They are citizens of Israel.
Yes, Palestinians have a right to defend their country.
 

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2 different questions. The 1.5M people of Russian origin (not Russians), are not temporary workers or students. They are citizens of Israel.
Yes, Palestinians have a right to defend their country.
Thank you for being one of the few to state that you believe Palestinians have the right to resist the illegal occupation.

There are also 5 million Palestinians refugees waiting for Israel to honour UN resolutions calling for Israel to accept their Right of Return, along with millions of Palestinians living under Israeli rule without citizenship. Should those Palestinians be given the same chance for citizenship?
 
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Just to clarify for Geno, is this an unqualified right to do whatever they want whenever they want, or there any limits/restrictions.
Like POS Nation?
 
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2 different questions. The 1.5M people of Russian origin (not Russians), are not temporary workers or students. They are citizens of Israel.
Yes, Palestinians have a right to defend their country.
If there was ever a people that deserved a robust and powerful military, it’s the Palestinian people. They have been slaughtered, tortured, degraded and humiliated by Israel for 75 years. Add ethnic cleansing, apartheid and genocide to the list of horrors visited upon them.
 
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If there was ever a people that deserved a robust and powerful military, it’s the Palestinian people. They have been slaughtered, tortured, degraded and humiliated by Israel for 75 years. Add ethnic cleansing, apartheid and genocide to the list of horrors visited upon them.
Palestinians could have had all that since 1948 if they were good at politics. Many reasons why that did not happen.
 

Shaquille Oatmeal

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Just to clarify for Geno, is this an unqualified right to do whatever they want whenever they want, or there any limits/restrictions.
Limited to defending their territory should anyone attack it. I am not redefining Hamas' actions against civilians on Oct 7 as self defence.
 

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Limited to defending their territory should anyone attack it. I am not redefining Hamas' actions against civilians on Oct 7 as self defence.
a bit of a problem seems to be that many of them think that their territory is the entire state of Israel from the river to the sea
 

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There are also 5 million Palestinians refugees waiting for Israel to honour UN resolutions calling for Israel to accept their Right of Return, along with millions of Palestinians living under Israeli rule without citizenship. Should those Palestinians be given the same chance for citizenship?
Any non-citizen within Israeli rule should have basic civil rights, barring the right to vote and may be a few others. But do those Palestinians want Israeli citizenship or do they want Palestinian citizenship?
 

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Palestinians could have had all that since 1948 if they were good at politics. Many reasons why that did not happen.
Debatable, but also immaterial to the situation today.
Israel could also have heeded their own warnings about not settling for the two decades for the last 5 decades.
Really, the occupying power chooses when to end the occupation unless forced by outside actors or resistance.


 

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Limited to defending their territory should anyone attack it. I am not redefining Hamas' actions against civilians on Oct 7 as self defence.
Why, they declared they attacked in response to Israeli attacks on the Al Aqsa and settler terrorist attacks.
Why do you think that can't be self defence?

(and yes, both Hamas and Israel targeted and killed civilians on Oct 7)
 

Klatuu

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Palestinians could have had all that since 1948 if they were good at politics. Many reasons why that did not happen.
That’s the old Ziontology chestnut of victim blaming. But, go ahead, spell out those reasons.
 

Shaquille Oatmeal

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Why, they declared they attacked in response to Israeli attacks on the Al Aqsa and settler terrorist attacks.
Why do you think that can't be self defence?
How is it self defence when they attacked concert goers or residents of a village who had nothing to do with those attacks?
 
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