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xmontrealer said:
I wouldn't call Netanyahu a vicious psychopath, but he is certainly a narcissistic power-mad man who will do anything to hold on to that power, including allying with the Jewish ultra orthodox far-right parties in Israel to form a coalition government, reduce the powers of Israel's Supreme Court to prevent personal prosecution for his financial crimes, and not trying at all to find a workable solution to the Palestinian issue.

Now Hamas, on the other hand, genuinely are vicious psychopaths, with no interest in a workable 2-state solution, and little sympathy for those Palestinians who would welcome such a solution.

Btw why isn't Hamas releasing the non-Israeli hostages? Do they feel they have more to gain regarding the Western world's support or compliance by holding them?
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Lol, sounds like the definition of a psychopath.
There is no 2 state solution to work towards, that was gone a long time ago. There's no real estate left for the other state.
I don't know what Hamas has up their sleeve, I don't know if there's an end game or just trying to hold on to whatever leverage they might have.
 
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richaceg said:
Everybody is waiting for investigative reports on who's rocket was it...IDF is also looking into it...don't get ahead of yourself...
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The IDF bragged about the bombing first, then they found out there were 500 deaths so then they blamed Hamas, gave up on that and then blamed Islamic Jihad. They posted a video they claimed was proof but forgot to edit the video time so have now deleted that as well.

Israeli accounts delete video claiming Palestinians responsible for hospital strike

Social media accounts belonging to the State of Israel and the Israeli ambassador to the US appear to have deleted a video on posts claiming that a rocket fired from within Gaza caused the deadly explosion at Al-Ahli Hospital in Gaza City.
The video showed a barrage of rockets being fired, with one appearing to go off-course in a downward trajectory, followed by the flash of an apparent explosion.
Both accounts edited their posts after Aric Toler, a journalist with the New York Times visual investigations team, questioned the time stamps on the video.
Those time stamps indicated that the video was recorded at least 40 minutes after the explosion at the hospital was first publicly reported, Toler said.
It was not clear if the video was removed from the Israeli accounts on X as a result of Toler’s analysis.
 
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Kautilya said:
My very first sentence was that provocation is not a terrorist attack. So am not sure what premise you are going on about.

Actual acts of terror are when innocent civilians are targeted and killed. That is a sufficient and widely accepted definition.
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Not it isn't. What was the purpose of storming the Al Aqsa mosque? What did Isreal allow and faciliate this? Give your head a shake. The goal is genocide, to incite violence. Which is terrorism.; here is the official definition, (i.e not your BS defintion);

the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.

so are you claiming there was no desire to intemidate in pursuit of political aims? (i,e genocide/ethnic cleanssing)
 
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shack said:
You've just justified and supported Hamas' terrorist attack of Oct. 7.

How many times have you said that you condemn terrorism, but here you have just admitted that you support this terrorist attack.

Finally, the truth comes out.

DESPITE WHAT HE SAYS FRANK HAS JUST ADMITTED THAT TERRORISM BY HAMAS ON ISRAELI JEWS IS GOOD AND JUSTIFIED.
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Stop with the selective editing of posts.
I've been consistent.

Hamas and Palestinians, living under an illegal occupation, apartheid rule and blockade, have the legal right to self defence against Israel.
They do not have the right to target civilians.
They were within their rights to attack but committed war crimes when civilians were targeted.
The same as Israel, who has just now targeted and killed 500 civilians, which is terrorism by definition.

You will never call out Israeli terrorism or show any remorse at the death of any Palestinian.
 
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Kautilya said:
Hamas' strategy is to FORCE a humanitarian crisis and leverage it for a) Legitimacy and continued relevance and b) Hurt Israel as much as they can and c) Secure funding from sympathetic Islamic countries or from Western human rights organizations etc. They are motivated by revenge, racism, power and money. Until and unless they are done with, nothing good will happen to the Palestinians.
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Israel aims the missiles and bombs.
Not Hamas.

Blame Israel.
 
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Netanyahu has been planning a ground invasion for days now.
Yesterday Israel held a 5 hour meeting with Blinken, knowing that Biden was visiting.
Today Israel bombs the hospital and kills 500-1000 civilians.

Was this act of terrorism/genocide timed to implicate Biden and force his hand as he came to visit?

Can Biden still fund Israel after this attack?

 
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Kautilya said:
They did not "storm" the Al-Aqsa mosque. That is your and other pro-Palestine media spin job.

Even if they did storm the Al-Aqsa mosque, that still isn't genocide. Its ridiculous to call it genocide.
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They stormed the Al Aqsa.
This broke a treaty and was an act of terrorism, meant to 'intimidate' a civilian population. Terrorism.
 
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basketcase said:
Most of us see the line as blaming the people who made and planted bombs, not the Canadian kid who got blown up.
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And of course you completely absolve the violence and horror that drove that bomb maker to that act, the orgainzation that supports the perpetutation of the situation and sent that kid to he fateful meeting with that voilence. The kid was innocent, the adults should have known better.
 
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bggolfingmaniac said:
Interesting way to lump us all in like that - I have no issue stating as a lefty moderate Jew that:

1) I long supported a 2 state solution Rabin/Barak/Olmert all offered. It's been a while waiting on that counteroffer....
2) I was actually against the settlements, and despised Sharon over this (well and other stuff)
3) I HATE Bibi - the man should be in jail, he's as corrupt and power hungry as it gets.
4) Worked in the kibbutz with Arabs and liked them plenty....

There are a lot of Jews like me that have felt this way, and therefore felt more detached than usual from Israel - I know I sure did and I lived there for 6 months. That all said, what Hamas did has pushed us all together for a common cause, the survival of our people. (which you mistakenly refer to as Jewish supremacism) I know anti-semitism when I see it, and it's as bad as it's ever been in my lifetime and I'm near 50....
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I know left wing Jews and you still sound right wing to me.
If you were for the two state solution and did nothing about the increasing settlements you were enabling the death of the two state solution.
If you're moderate you know its past that point and time to just call for the end of apartheid.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1713551569096986677
 
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Kautilya said:
I did not ask you if Hamas was justified in targeting civilians,

I asked you if you think Hamas is a terrorist group. Yes or No?
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Well, my immigrant friend, you are spending a lot of time here defending killing Muslims and claiming it was the right thing to do.
Then trying to accuse other people of being terrorists.

I think you need to look at yourself closely.


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I already said targeting a hospital is not terrorism because Hamas hides in them. So I won't just not denounce it, I will say it is the right thing to do and I trust the IDF's judgement.
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These are the words of moderate Jews, people interested in peace and the end of the cycle of violence.
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1714339947597959528

 
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Kautilya said:
As basketcase and Xmontrealer explained, they did not storm the Al-Aqsa. They were legally allowed to be there and are usually provided security to do so.
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Asking opinions from basketcase who defends an illegal occupation, apartheid and genocide, doesn't make a strong case.
Xmontrealer is reasonable, I don't even think you've characterized his position fairly.

Most people are trying to shift blame for the bombing.
You went full on genocide and claimed it was the 'right thing to do'.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1714353567115427975
 
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