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Frankfooter

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Here is the map you asked for.
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Palestine has been wiped from that map.
All that is left is apartheid Israel.

Which means this should change into a campaign for the end of apartheid and equal rights.

This radical act of return points to the post-Zionist future we should envision that will bring liberation to all.

Liberation for us means dismantling the structures of Zionist settler colonialism and apartheid and addressing the inequalities and injustices it has inflicted on us, the indigenous population of Palestine, over the past 100 years.

Liberation for us aims to transform the relationship between Palestinians and Israelis into one based on total equality and justice. The settler society is expected to abandon all colonial privileges and display real willingness to accept responsibility for past crimes and injustices. The compromise that indigenous Palestinians are expected to offer is to accept settlers as equal citizens in the new state between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea.

This is the path to peace and security, and the international community, which has long accepted Israel’s war crimes against the Palestinians and has even been complicit in them, will have to embrace it.

Having learned nothing from history, US President Joe Biden made it clear the day Palestinian fighters crossed through the barbed wire to Israel that he is fully behind Israel, giving its army the green light to commit more war crimes against the civilians of Gaza.
 

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So we still don't know who actually fired the rocket at the hospital in Gaza.

According to Israel it wasn't them, and according to Biden and US intelligence it was an Islamic Jihad missile that possibly misfired.

As I said before, Its hard to believe Israel would carry out such an attack on a hospital on the eve of Biden's coming to the Middle East in the hopes of some progress towards a diplomatic solution.

It is not that hard to believe that:

1. It was an Islamic Jihad missile intended for Israel that misfired.

or

2. It was an intentional ploy by Islamic Jihad to derail any peace talks that might arise from Biden's visit, and drive other Arab leaders from the talks.

If it was # 1 it was just another tragic consequence of the never-ending hostilities.

If it was # 2, I have to say that calling the Islamic Jihad perpetrators "animals", as somebody once said, is an insult to actual animals.

I was happy to see that Biden managed to get Israel to agree to opening up the supply lines of much needed necessities of life to Gaza. The condition being that none goes to Hamas , and all goes to the general population of Gaza. Not sure how they'll keep the supplies out of the hands of Hamas though. I would have thought that Biden could have forced the release of non-Israeli hostages at least, in return...
These doctors held a press conference after the attack where they said there were two warning shells fired and they told the IDF they couldn't leave.

 

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These doctors held a press conference after the attack where they said there were two warning shells fired and they told the IDF they couldn't leave.

Is it not possible that the IDF decided to not fire missiles at the hospital given what they were told by the doctors?

As I said before, I have no idea who did what. But I find it hard to believe the IDF would do it given Biden's impending visit. It makes no sense politically.

Maybe one day we'll find out the truth, but I really don't trust the media in general on either side, so probably not...
 
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It might stop the bombing but I don't think it would be a long term solution. I believe the lopsided advantage Israel has and the conditions they would subject the Palestinians to and expect them to negotiate under would start the whole process again.
How about if Hamas is removed, and Israel ends military occupation in Gaza and settlers are removed from Palestinian land in the Bank, would you be ok with that. I think that would be a start.
The first step is Hamas removed and the hostages returned. If this isn't accomplished I don't see Israel agreeing to a ceasefire or anything at all.
 

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The first step is Hamas removed and the hostages returned. If this isn't accomplished I don't see Israel agreeing to a ceasefire or anything at all.
Of course, par for negotiating with Israel.
In other words, strip yourself down to zero leverage with someone already squeezing your throat, all the military capability in the world,
and the U.S. behind them.
Do as they say, how they say, then they'll think about it.
Not one sided at all is it.
 

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Is it not possible that the IDF decided to not fire missiles at the hospital given what they were told by the doctors?

As I said before, I have no idea who did what. But I find it hard to believe the IDF would do it given Biden's impending visit. It makes no sense politically.

Maybe one day we'll find out the truth, but I really don't trust the media in general on either side, so probably not...
I have no idea either, having said that, I don't think Biden's visit would make a difference.
Israel will do what they want to do, they know there are no political consequences, the U.S. supports them unconditionally.
 

Frankfooter

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Is it not possible that the IDF decided to not fire missiles at the hospital given what they were told by the doctors?

As I said before, I have no idea who did what. But I find it hard to believe the IDF would do it given Biden's impending visit. It makes no sense politically.

Maybe one day we'll find out the truth, but I really don't trust the media in general on either side, so probably not...
Israel has already bombed 164 schools, 19 Mosques, 24 health centres and 23 ambulances.
Why do you think they wouldn't bomb another hospital?

This chart is a few days old.

 

Frankfooter

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How is it immaterial? As it stands today they don't recognize Israel. Especially in Gaza they are not even in control, but a terrorist group is.
Because they did in the past and it didn't change anything.
Its a false demand, like one of shack's posts.
Its meant to shift blame to Palestinians while Israel hasn't held peace talks in a decade.
 

xmontrealer

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Israel has already bombed 164 schools, 19 Mosques, 24 health centres and 23 ambulances.
Why do you think they wouldn't bomb another hospital?

This chart is a few days old.

Maybe because the hospital was so large, and couldn't be evacuated? Were the 24 Health centres full hospitals?

Perhaps some day we'll get the unbiased and unvarnished truth. In the meantime I fully sympathize with the innocents who have been killed or injured on both sides.
 

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Maybe because the hospital was so large, and couldn't be evacuated? Were the 24 Health centres full hospitals?

Perhaps some day we'll get the unbiased and unvarnished truth. In the meantime I fully sympathize with the innocents who have been killed or injured on both sides.
I believe the chart he posted was from the office for the coordination of human affairs of the World Health Organization.
They are usually fairly accurate but do not take into consideration why the area was targeted.
 
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