Israel at war

[GerryB]

Cool story but not accurate and not relevant to the situation today.
Zionism's goal was always all of Palestine, from river to sea.

So you admit that now that Israel has attacked every country in the neighbourhood they should never expect peace from them, correct?
What do you think Israel's endgame really is here?

I see more slogans. You have tendency to get everything in REVERSE. Israel was the one attacked by multiple Arab armies not the
other way around.

The end game is that Israel is on its ancestral land and will stay there to the end, whatever it may be.

 

[Frankfooter]

And how are they displaced exactly ? What I see they are all in the same places they were before 1967 ? None of their cities and villages on the West Bank were displaced or shut down

If you back aliyah you must also back Palestinian refugees having this same right to return to their ancestral homelands.
Correct?

 

[Frankfooter]

I see more slogans. You have tendency to get everything in REVERSE. Israel was the one attacked by multiple Arab armies not the
other way around.

The end game is that Israel is on its ancestral land and will stay there to the end, whatever it may be.

How could Israel be attacked even before they were a country?
It was Palestine that was attacked and colonized.

 

[GerryB]

Are you ignoring that Palestine has been attacked multiple times, along with how many other countries Israel has attacked over the years?
- There is no country Palestine to be attacked. That is a territory that was divided with accordance to partition plan. I keep repeating that
and you keep missing it.

The international community agreed to borders after WWII the same way they just told Israel to get the fuck out of Palestine.
- No such thing "to get a f#$% out of Palestine". international community came up with partition plan. jews accepted, Arabs
did not and declared war instead, it is pretty simple if you remove your Jew hatred from a picture for a minute or two

Do you think Israel is above the law and that they will only answer to violence now?
- What law ? Israel is not in violation of international law. These statements from UN are purely political
ones.

 

[mandrill]

That is why I cited Article 49 of the 4th Geneva Convention. An occupying force moving its civilian population into occupied territory or displacing the local population in occupied territory is illegal.

No.

Because Britain was the mandatory power and allowed the Jews to legally immigrate to "Palestine".

It was perfectly legal immigration.

Then Britain left and offered to divide "Palestine" between Jews and Arabs. The Jews accepted. So they were the legal owners because the previous legal owner - Britain - gave the Jews legal status.

 

[danmand]

The end game is that Israel is on its ancestral land and will stay there to the end, whatever it may be.

It would be wonderful, if they could live in peace and harmony with their neighbors.

Unfortunately, currently bombing four of it's neighbors and soon one more is not a recipe for peace and harmony, and will, I fear, tragically make life untenable in Israel. Large amount of dual citizens have already left (I was on a fully packed plane out of there oct 10 last year), and GDP is dropping fast.

 

[GerryB]

How could Israel be attacked even before they were a country?
It was Palestine that was attacked and colonized.

Israel got attacked on its inception and then many times after. Well documented.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

And how are they displaced exactly ? What I see they are all in the same places they were before 1967 ? None of their cities and villages on the West Bank were displaced or shut down

They are being evicted from their homes and land is being confiscated. All of this is illegal. It is one of the two. If it is Israeli sovereign borders, then they are citizens. But they do not have the right to vote. So it is not Israeli borders, it is occupied territory. So the 4th Geneva convention rules apply.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

No.

Because Britain was the mandatory power and allowed the Jews to legally immigrate to "Palestine".

It was perfectly legal immigration.

Then Britain left and offered to divide "Palestine" between Jews and Arabs. The Jews accepted. So they were the legal owners because the previous legal owner - Britain - gave the Jews legal status.

This has nothing to do with what I said. The West Bank and Golan Heights are occupied territory and building settlements in occupied territory is in violation of international law.

 

[GerryB]

If you back aliyah you must also back Palestinian refugees having this same right to return to their ancestral homelands.
Correct?

Israel DID NOT force them out, their Arab compatriots from invading Arab countries encouraged them to leave so they can finish off
the Jews quickly (well documented). But that didn't come to fruition.

 

[Klatuu]

Why you don't make Aliya to the country of your origin ? I mean, you live on the occupied land now, how can you sleep at night ?

Come clean. You claim you are a proud Ziontologist but you can’t get off your fat ass and make Aliyah. What a fraud. With proud Ziontologists like you, POS Nation doesn’t need any enemies.

 

[GerryB]

They are being evicted from their homes and land is being confiscated. All of this is illegal. It is one of the two. If it is Israeli sovereign borders, then they are citizens. But they do not have the right to vote. So it is not Israeli borders, it is occupied territory. So the 4th Geneva convention rules apply.

False. There are dozens upon dozens of Arab cities and villages in West Bank, no one is evicted or displaced. The cases you are talking about is an illegal construction without permits and destruction of houses that belong to terrorists who committed murder

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

Israel DID NOT force them out.

Historical revisionism. In 1948 when war broke out, there were those that fled as refugees to neighbouring states, there were those who fled to Gaza, there were those who were massacred by Israeli forces, and there were those who were ethnically cleansed at gunpoint and either chased out to other states or to Gaza.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

False. There are dozens upon dozens of Arab cities and villages in West Bank, no one is evicted or displaced. The cases you are talking about is an illegal construction without permits and destruction of houses that belong to terrorists who committed murder

There are villages, yes. There are also houses and land of Palestinians that settlers steal, evict and bulldoze. This is all illegal per international law.

 

[GerryB]

Come clean. You claim you are a proud Ziontologist but you can’t get off your fat ass and make Aliyah. What a fraud. With proud Ziontologists like you, POS Nation doesn’t need any enemies.

You have nothing to say on how you yourself okay to live and prosper on the stolen land ? No comments ?
"Come clean" - you know nothing about me....in fact you know nothing about many things...but that's fine

 

[GerryB]

Historical revisionism. In 1948 when war broke out, there were those that fled as refugees to neighbouring states, there were those who fled to Gaza, there were those who were massacred by Israeli forces, and there were those who were ethnically cleansed at gunpoint and either chased out to other states or to Gaza.

Absolute majority fled by themselves and encouraged by invading Arabs. It is all documented and you can find it, I will not Google it for you

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

Absolute majority fled by themselves and encouraged by invading Arabs. It is all documented and you can find it, I will not Google it for you

That is why I stated both causes. Israeli historians themselves admit the ethnic cleansing.

 

[mandrill]

This has nothing to do with what I said. The West Bank and Golan Heights are occupied territory and building settlements in occupied territory is in violation of international law.

Okay, I accept that.

Your problem is that this gets lost in the endless raids and missile attacks by Hezbollah and Hamas.

 

[GerryB]

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Historical revisionism. In 1948 when war broke out, there were those that fled as refugees to neighbouring states, there were those who fled to Gaza, there were those who were massacred by Israeli forces, and there were those who were ethnically cleansed at gunpoint and either chased out to other states or to Gaza.

BTW, the war didn't just break out...it was started by multiple Arab armies ...small detail...and intent of this war, as it was
openly declared by those Arab countries is total elimination of newly created state of Israel and its inhabitants (Jews)

 

[mandrill]

That is why I stated both causes. Israeli historians themselves admit the ethnic cleansing.

No.
Many Arabs remained, were well treated and their descendants are Israeli citizens to this day.