Israel firm on refugees after Bush dismays Arabs

[gryfin]

So taken to it's logical extension then Sephardic Jews should have the right to take property away from Spaniards because their ancestors never gave the property away in 1492?

There's really not much logic in that at all. Fortunately, restitution is a common today, as is bringing the perpetrators of war crimes to justice. The human casualties of Israel's ethnic cleansing are still alive and suffering in refugee camps both in the Occupied Territories and in neighboring countries. The property they own still exists as does the land they occupied, despite the best efforts of Israel to wipe out any signs of their existence.

I don't think you have to look far for examples of groups that have received restitution.

The bottom line is that you can't reward ethnic cleansing and that's what Israel is looking for.

 

[Aardvark154]

There's really not much logic in that at all. Fortunately, restitution is a common today, as is bringing the perpetrators of war crimes to justice. The human casualties of Israel's ethnic cleansing are still alive and suffering in refugee camps both in the Occupied Territories and in neighboring countries. The property they own still exists as does the land they occupied, despite the best efforts of Israel to wipe out any signs of their existence.

I don't think you have to look far for examples of groups that have received restitution.

The bottom line is that you can't reward ethnic cleansing and that's what Israel is looking for.

So therefore are you are saying that indeed Sephardic Jews should be able to seize property from Spaniards who have held it for over five centuries and likewise everyone from a European ancestry in Canada and the U.S. should be dispossessed, regardless that their families have lived in the New World for four centuries. Or is what your really saying that Israel pays compensation and there is no right of return?

Or is this merely a matter of time (sixty, one hundred, five hundred. . .), and if so pray where is the logic in that?

 

[basketcase]

There's really not much logic in that at all. Fortunately, restitution is a common today, as is bringing the perpetrators of war crimes to justice. The human casualties of Israel's ethnic cleansing are still alive and suffering in refugee camps both in the Occupied Territories and in neighboring countries. The property they own still exists as does the land they occupied, despite the best efforts of Israel to wipe out any signs of their existence.

I don't think you have to look far for examples of groups that have received restitution.

The bottom line is that you can't reward ethnic cleansing and that's what Israel is looking for.

Except less than 15% of them ever lived in what is now Israel, and that's assuming that all of the original refugees are still alive. You also forget that in all of the recent peace attempts Israel has agreed to financial compensation for all of those listed as refugees.

So therefore are you are saying that indeed Sephardic Jews should be able to seize property from Spaniards who have held it for over five centuries and likewise everyone from a European ancestry in Canada and the U.S. should be dispossessed, regardless that their families have live in the New World for four centuries. Or is what your really saying that Israel pays compensation and there is no right of return?

Or is this merely a matter of time, and if so pray where is the logic in that?

A better example would be the over 800,000 Jewish refugees from Arab lands during the same period that created the Palestinian refugees. Should they be allowed to reclaim their old properties? (most would say no since Israel made a huge effort to integrate them into their society - unlike ....)

 

[gryfin]

So therefore are you are saying that indeed Sephardic Jews should be able to seize property from Spaniards who have held it for over five centuries and likewise everyone from a European ancestry in Canada and the U.S. should be dispossessed, regardless that their families have lived in the New World for four centuries. Or is what your really saying that Israel pays compensation and there is no right of return?

Or is this merely a matter of time (sixty, one hundred, five hundred. . .), and if so pray where is the logic in that?

Are you saying that Israel's ethnic cleansing should be rewarded? Are you saying that people should be barred from returning to their homes because of their religion?

 

[gryfin]

Except less than 15% of them ever lived in what is now Israel, and that's assuming that all of the original refugees are still alive.

That's not by choice. That's as a result of ethnic cleansing and that should not be rewarded.

But you've exposed the very reason Israel has been stalling a resolution to this conflict...waiting until the victims of the ethnic cleansing die so they can be rid of the consequences of what they have done.

 

[papasmerf]

There's really not much logic in that at all. Fortunately, restitution is a common today, as is bringing the perpetrators of war crimes to justice. The human casualties of Israel's ethnic cleansing are still alive and suffering in refugee camps both in the Occupied Territories and in neighboring countries. The property they own still exists as does the land they occupied, despite the best efforts of Israel to wipe out any signs of their existence.

I don't think you have to look far for examples of groups that have received restitution.

The bottom line is that you can't reward ethnic cleansing and that's what Israel is looking for.

So let me get this straight...........you belive that the Indians and their decendants who were in Canada when Europeans arrived should be handed back all of Canada??????? Not a bad idea

 

[Aardvark154]

Are you saying that Israel's ethnic cleansing should be rewarded? Are you saying that people should be barred from returning to their homes because of their religion?

I am saying that politicks is the art of the possible. Do the Palestinians want a State and a Peace Treaty with Israel? If so, it doesn't matter a fig what the motivations of the Israelis have been, what matters is what Israel is willing to negotiate - compensation, and what are deal breakers - a right of return.

Remembering the past is one thing, dwelling upon the past and nurturing each and every grievance, something else.

 

[basketcase]

Are you saying that Israel's ethnic cleansing ...

I love this line. It's the current accusation parroted by all the leftists with the usual "proof" of a few quotes.

It quite simply ignores the fact that there was a war going on and paints the Palestinians purely as innocents in the conflict.

There also would have been no refugee population if the Arabs/Palestinians had accepted their own state alongside a Jewish one.

 

[gryfin]

I love this line. It's the current accusation parroted by all the leftists with the usual "proof" of a few quotes.

It quite simply ignores the fact that there was a war going on and paints the Palestinians purely as innocents in the conflict.

There also would have been no refugee population if the Arabs/Palestinians had accepted their own state alongside a Jewish one.

It's a historical fact. And ethnic cleansing was an important goal of that war. It was called Plan Dalet.

 

[persis]

It doesn't shed much light on that for me. It certainly does, however, reinforce the idea that seemingly every culture and people have horses asses among their number.

What about this video then, would not be the same stuff!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTBYOfnnDL8&feature=related
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7458926.stm

 

[Earl1]

If jews

If jews claim the right to return to the holly land after 2000 years of misery, i wonder why palestinians cant have the same right after only 60 years of the misery inflicted on them by the hyporatic jews and the western world. I am sure palestininans can stil wait another 1940 years to go back too to the holly lands.

Eral1