It's called DIPLOMACY, Condi
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You sir have all the tact of a 2 year old, not to mention the IQ of a civil servent.TOVisitor said:
Governor Richardson, being a man with some sense of the norms of diplomacy and politics, I'm sure fully consulted with the Secretary of State.TOVisitor said:
Interesting POV!Aardvark154 said:
So as to avoid being accused of a 'double standard' here, I'm sure you would extend the same to Nancy Pelosi were she to make the same type visit.
TOV, I'm not sure you're even reading the quotes you are posting carefully.
The delegation was a bipartisan one, headed by Richardson and Anthony Principi, George W. Bush's former Veteran Affairs Secretary. This is clearly stated in the quote you bolded for emphasis, so the republican party had as much to do with this concession as democratic. To imply that Condi Rice has to be directly involved in every single international discussion, when the White house and her party are already represented, is laughable.
In fact, this incident is an example of how things can be accomplished when the government of the United States presents a united front on the international stage, as opposed to the Democrats spewing venom and hate at their own country's administration.
The delegation was a bipartisan one, headed by Richardson and Anthony Principi, George W. Bush's former Veteran Affairs Secretary. This is clearly stated in the quote you bolded for emphasis, so the republican party had as much to do with this concession as democratic. To imply that Condi Rice has to be directly involved in every single international discussion, when the White house and her party are already represented, is laughable.
In fact, this incident is an example of how things can be accomplished when the government of the United States presents a united front on the international stage, as opposed to the Democrats spewing venom and hate at their own country's administration.
This is exactly the direction Team 'w' is going.danmand said:
Anyone that doubts that has to only read below what is taking place right now in Dubya's, Amerika!
If you don't find this troubling or distrubing, to paraphrase Jeff Foxworthy, "you just might be a fascist"!.....
Will the phrase, "Papiers Bitte"!, be comming next?
Sunday, April 08, 2007
Another Enemy of the People?
Mark Graber - Sunday, April 08, 2007
I am posting the below with the permission of Professor Walter F. Murphy, emeritus of Princeton University. For those who do not know, Professor Murphy is easily the most distinguished scholar of public law in political science. His works on both constitutional theory and judicial behavior are classics in the field. Bluntly, legal scholarship that does not engage many themes in his book, briefly noted below, Constitutional Democracy, may be legal, but cannot be said to be scholarship. As interesting, for present purposes, readers of the book will discover that Murphy is hardly a conventional political or legal liberal. While he holds some opinions, most notably on welfare, similar to opinions held on the political left, he is a sharp critic of ROE V. WADE, and supported the Alito nomination. Apparently these credentials and others noted below are no longer sufficient to prevent one from becoming an enemy of the people.
"On 1 March 07, I was scheduled to fly on American Airlines to Newark, NJ, to attend an academic conference at Princeton University, designed to focus on my latest scholarly book, Constitutional Democracy, published by Johns Hopkins University Press this past Thanksgiving."
"When I tried to use the curb-side check in at the Sunport, I was denied a boarding pass because I was on the Terrorist Watch list. I was instructed to go inside and talk to a clerk. At this point, I should note that I am not only the McCormick Professor of Jurisprudence (emeritus) but also a retired Marine colonel. I fought in the Korean War as a young lieutenant, was wounded, and decorated for heroism. I remained a professional soldier for more than five years and then accepted a commission as a reserve office, serving for an additional 19 years."
"I presented my credentials from the Marine Corps to a very polite clerk for American Airlines. One of the two people to whom I talked asked a question and offered a frightening comment: "Have you been in any peace marches? We ban a lot of people from flying because of that." I explained that I had not so marched but had, in September, 2006, given a lecture at Princeton, televised and put on the Web, highly critical of George Bush for his many violations of the Constitution. "That'll do it," the man said. "
"After carefully examining my credentials, the clerk asked if he could take them to TSA officials. I agreed. He returned about ten minutes later and said I could have a boarding pass, but added: "I must warn you, they=re going to ransack your luggage." On my return flight, I had no problem with obtaining a boarding pass, but my luggage was "lost." Airlines do lose a lot of luggage and this "loss" could have been a mere coincidence. In light of previous events, however, I'm a tad skeptical."
"I confess to having been furious that any American citizen would be singled out for governmental harassment because he or she criticized any elected official, Democrat or Republican. That harassment is, in and of itself, a flagrant violation not only of the First Amendment but also of our entire scheme of constitutional government. This effort to punish a critic states my lecture's argument far more eloquently and forcefully than I ever could. Further, that an administration headed by two men who had "had other priorities" than to risk their own lives when their turn to fight for their country came up, should brand as a threat to the United States a person who did not run away but stood up and fought for his country and was wounded in battle, goes beyond the outrageous. Although less lethal, it is of the same evil ilk as punishing Ambassador Joseph Wilson for criticizing Bush's false claims by "outing" his wife, Valerie Plaime, thereby putting at risk her life as well as the lives of many people with whom she had had contact as an agent of the CIA. ..."
"I have a personal stake here, but so do all Americans who take their political system seriously. Thus I hope you and your colleagues will take some positive action to bring the Administration's conduct to the attention of a far larger, and more influential, audience than I could hope to reach. "
And you know what, Pelosi talked to Bush about her trip to Syria BEFORE she went and Bush said nothing. Afterwards, the right wing noise machine went into full attack mode, implying that she should be charged with violations of the Logan Act.Aardvark154 said:
But if you are such a Condi defender, please list her great accomplishments as SoS or as National Security Advisor. What treaties has she negotiated? What wars has she stopped? What genocide has been averted?
I'll start with two accomplishments:
* No one could have anticipated that a plane would be used as a weapon.
* I believe the title was "bin Laden determined to attack inside the US."
Again, you proved my point about careless reading. I did not mention anything at all about Pelosi's visit in my reply, nor did I say anything about Condi Rice's skills as a negotiator.TOVisitor said:
To imply that Condi Rice has to be directly involved in every single international discussion, when the White house and her party are already represented, is laughable.
Also, to present a unified position when directly dealing with foreign governments is a far cry from a totalitarian regime, especially since domestically, most news networks are leftish and all levels of government in the US have built in countermeasures (especially when the opposition parties control the House).
Biushco has had six years to broker a deal with North Korea. John Bolton and others had been adamantly opposed to any deal with North Korea and has been the rhetoric from the Shrub.newguy27 said:
Send a seasoned diplomat -- Richardson -- who has been UN Representative and has dealt with North Korea before to negotitate, and what do you get? Bingo.
You don't think that Condi negotiating with the Axis of Evil was important enough for her to play an active and visible role? Hah.
...says the two year old who can't spell servant.papasmerf said:
Well at least I can understand why you're such a Bush supporter, he can't speak English for his life and well...
Kinda like that other idiot Bush supporter on here who lacks English comprehension as well, OTB was it?
Cobster said:...says the two year old who can't spell servant.
Well at least I can understand why you're such a Bush supporter, he can't speak English for his life and well...
Kinda like that other idiot Bush supporter on here who lacks English comprehension as well, OTB was it?
LOL
at least you have free speach
One notes the commonality of using LOL between BOT and papa.papasmerf said:
Maybe papa is BOT's idiot alter-ego who likes to tickle the keyboard with nonsensical ramblings. Or perhaps BOT is papa's idiot alter-ego who cannot stand to stop drinking the Kool Aid?
Just as i mentioned in other posts, TOV quickly runs out of anything resembling intelligible to say and quickly stoops to personal insults and childish taunts to try and cover up his weak arguments. Didnt take long in this thread...TOVisitor said:
