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Moet said:
That goes both ways...both men and women should be careful who they have unprotected sex with....lol Don't you start this whole women and men issue on me now ;) lol

Moet your too much of a cutie to do that to.
 

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great bear said:
Moet your too much of a cutie to do that to.

;) but of course...
 

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Moet, part of the problem is too many young black children are being brought up in single parent homes. There is a tendency in the male black community to father children then accept little responsibility for the outcome. Without a postive father/male image growing up and in the home it makes it difficult for young children of any race to have a positive self image. There is even a term for these women "mother child", that is used in the black community to describe women who have had a child then been abandoned by the father.
...Since more than 25% of Canadian children live in a single-parent family at some point before they are 10 years old. Sorry for the interruption, you are free to resume your ignorant ramblings.
 

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...Since more than 25% of Canadian children live in a single-parent family at some point before they are 10 years old. Sorry for the interruption, you are free to resume your ignorant ramblings.
What % of those are low income family? What % are black?

I am willing to bet that many/most of those 25% of single parent situations are poor and uneducated, and that blacks, for various reasons, are over-represented in the group. If it's 25% of Canadians as a whole, I bet it's a lot higher percent among the black population alone.

Screaming 'racism' and 'ignorant' every time someone starts to look at some of the problems that are keeping groups like blacks and natives from reaching their full potential is just sweeping the problems under the rug, hoping they go away, and in the long run actually helping to perpetuate them.

Those who point these problems out are really part of the solution. Those who deny actual real problems are part of the problem.
 

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Big Michael said:
...Since more than 25% of Canadian children live in a single-parent family at some point before they are 10 years old. Sorry for the interruption, you are free to resume your ignorant ramblings.

Fuji made my point for me. However, if the on going problems are continued to be denied within the black community then the other communities will totally close a their eyes to the situation. If that happens is the black community willing and able to resovle the issues at hand vis a vis black on black death? Will witnesses start coming forth in the abundant shootings now taking place in Toronto and speak openly with the police?
 

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Big Michael said:
...Since more than 25% of Canadian children live in a single-parent family at some point before they are 10 years old.
This sounds like BS to me. Unless you can back this statement with a few trustworthy links.
 

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Time for me to shill again, if you want to understand the situation with respect to intelligence, race, single parent families, the effect this has on crime, etc, then you should read The Bell Curve. It is very fact-based, with some surprising conclusions. There is so much that is known and scientifically proven, yet not widely accepted. By accepting facts, we could move forward to solve problems.
 

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This sounds like BS to me. Unless you can back this statement with a few trustworthy links.
It could be a case of statistics turned a certain way to make a point while technically being true. Perhaps instances where there is a divorce and one parent gains sole custody is counted as a single parent living situation, which would easily fill those numbers in my mind. But I think it is likely that the 25% figure is right as generally stable Canadian families today are opting for single children and it is only single mothers with the host of other problems having large numbers of kids (usually with different fathers). That would shift the numbers towards these kinds of situations merely because these families have greater numbers of total children than the traditional family stuations with only one or two kids.
 

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Between 1995 to 2002 my best bud lived on driftwood, I would come up and hang with him every weekend. Honestly I never saw any problems @ Jane-Finch, it is low income for sure, but it was not like some zoo full of rampaging gangsters looking to butt rape you.

Honestly, The worst place in Toronto is likely more safe than the best place in the States.
 

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bishop said:
Between 1995 to 2002 my best bud lived on driftwood, I would come up and hang with him every weekend. Honestly I never saw any problems @ Jane-Finch, it is low income for sure, but it was not like some zoo full of rampaging gangsters looking to butt rape you.

Honestly, The worst place in Toronto is likely more safe than the best place in the States.
The best places in the States are pretty safe. The average place is hte states is pretty safe. What I agree is that the worst places in the states are MUCH worse than anything we've got anywhere in Canada.

People no doubt imagine Jane-Finch as being much worse than it really is, but it's still much worse than, say, the Annex. I wouldn't advise women to walk alone at night in Jane-Finch area, and I'd have reservations myself walking around there alone at night. I think if you live there you know to take sensible precautions.

That's not to say that if you walk there alone at night you're guaranteed to get mugged. Probably it's not going to happen, the chance of it happening is small. But real.
 

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The Daulfin said:
It could be a case of statistics turned a certain way to make a point while technically being true. Perhaps instances where there is a divorce and one parent gains sole custody is counted as a single parent living situation, which would easily fill those numbers in my mind. But I think it is likely that the 25% figure is right as generally stable Canadian families today are opting for single children and it is only single mothers with the host of other problems having large numbers of kids (usually with different fathers). That would shift the numbers towards these kinds of situations merely because these families have greater numbers of total children than the traditional family stuations with only one or two kids.
Divorce resulting in a parent with sole custody absolutely is a single parent family situation. Does it really make that much difference whether dad disappears before or after the child is born? Divorce implies after, but what's the big difference? The child is living with a single parent; though potentially getting the *support* (money) from two parents.

The "at some time" makes it a bigger number than it really is. The more usual statistic is "currently". Currently the community with the highest percentage of single parent families is Red Deer, where 17% of families are single parent. Coincidentally, Red Deer has a large native population. Draw your own conclusions.
 

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http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1447046

An interesting read that touches tangentially on some of these issues. It includes an interesting statement:

"Sixteen percent of Canadian children and 25% of US children live in single-parent families."

So there's a reliable reference.

The overall article makes some interesting points and asks some interesting questions.

"Compared with their receiving-society counterparts, foreign-born children were more than twice as likely to live in poor families, but they had lower levels of emotional and behavioral problems. The effect of poverty on children's mental health among long-term immigrant and receiving-society families was indirect and primarily mediated by single-parent status, ineffective parenting, parental depression, and family dysfunction. In comparison, the mental health effect of poverty among foreign-born children could not be explained by the disadvantages that poor families often suffer."

It's looking at mental health outcomes rather than criminal outcomes but I'd bet there's a close relationship. I'd bet that the behavior problems associated with being poor and living in a dysfunctional family are what cause gang behavior and a higher incidence of crime.

One of the implications is that you'd rather live in a neighbourhood filled with poor immigrants rather than a neighbourhood filled with poor "majority culture" families.
 

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I am very suprised that this would be on the website.

http://jane-finch.com/videos/firewar.htm

the idea of burning property or someone's face never seems to have entered into the collective mindset of these little geniuses. I especially like the moron firing his "gun" at the gas pipes.

But they do say "look out for the camera" or Watch out for the camera" a number of times, so it is clear that on some level they know that playing with incendiary devices can have a downside.
 

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fuji said:
One of the implications is that you'd rather live in a neighbourhood filled with poor immigrants rather than a neighbourhood filled with poor "majority culture" families.
Agreed - if you took some shitty trailer park and stuck it in the GTA, it would be a nastier place than Jane and Finch.
 

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fuji said:
One of the implications is that you'd rather live in a neighbourhood filled with poor immigrants rather than a neighbourhood filled with poor "majority culture" families.
That is for sure. There is nothing wrong with poor people, the problem is that many of the things that cause bad behaviour (stupidity, mental illness), also cause poverty, which makes it appear that poverty causes crime.
 
Trouble areas will improve if you often it's citizens a chance for self-respect.

Jobs, education & social responsiblities.

Gang-bangers cause trouble for fear/respect/attention or nothing better to do with their lives.

Slumps become dumps as no one cares. Attitude will change if you give them pride & sense of belonging.

Everyone deserves a break.
 
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What % of those are low income family? What % are black?

I am willing to bet that many/most of those 25% of single parent situations are poor and uneducated, and that blacks, for various reasons, are over-represented in the group. If it's 25% of Canadians as a whole, I bet it's a lot higher percent among the black population alone.

Screaming 'racism' and 'ignorant' every time someone starts to look at some of the problems that are keeping groups like blacks and natives from reaching their full potential is just sweeping the problems under the rug, hoping they go away, and in the long run actually helping to perpetuate them.

Those who point these problems out are really part of the solution. Those who deny actual real problems are part of the problem.
Not screaming, never called anyone a racist in my life. Ignorant oh yeah!!
I assumed you would understand what I was getting at but let me spell it out a little clearer. Considering that half the marriages end in divorce it is not unreasonable to expect there are a lot children live in single-parent homes at some point in their childhood. Further, when you consider that blacks make up just over 2% of the Canadian population, the statement doesn't make sense. If single-parent families were the sole reason for the problems, and according to you, "many/most of the 25% single are poor and uneducated", then 25% of the Canadian population, currently or in the future, should exhibit similar behaviour to some of the people at J-F if single-parenting was the only problem. More specifically, no one is sweeping any problems under the rug and the problems are more complex than single-parenting.
 
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