Jays to trade DOC????

Captain Fantastic

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JP Ricciardi overplayed his hand. First, he went public WAY too early - and to the U.S. media first! Then he started setting arbitrary deadlines. Then he started negotiating in the media. All while leaving Doc hanging. Bush league.

Rogers killed JP further by going public with their financial worries.

The Phils - rightfully - had enough. Now the Jays have an asset that everyone knows "wants out" or at least to have hope that his team may contend (according to JP anyway - the whole throwing Roy under the bus is a whole other topic of discussion), an ownership group that has publicly stated that it wants to cut costs and the team that was the best possible match has moved on.

Boston (the next best match) will not overpay for Doc - it's not their modus operandi + they've got too much tied up in their starters already. The Yanks don't have the assets to match up. Neither do the Angels, as they don't want to give up guys in the Show. The Dodgers understandably don't want to give up anyone on their roster and their farm is not deep.

Even though this is Roy Freakin' Halladay we're talking about, teams are scared to give up the Bartolo Colon/Erik Bedard blue-chip prospects package, strictly because of economics.

Not sure about what Doc will be worth in the offseason - 45+ starts and 2 pennant races is a lot more valuable than 35 starts and one September.

Hopefully this means I get to see a few more Halladay starts in a Blue Jays' uniform!
 

SkyRider

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The Doc is 1 and 3 in his last 4 decisions. Maybe, not the best pitcher in baseball at the moment.
 

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Right...

SkyRider said:
The Doc is 1 and 3 in his last 4 decisions. Maybe, not the best pitcher in baseball at the moment.
That's a good way of determing what constitutes the "best" pitcher. (Especially one with a trade hanging over his head.) :rolleyes:

In his last 8 starts (including 3 complete games and 3 games against an excellent Tampa Bay team), only once has he given up more than 3 earned runs - against the very hot Yankees. 6 of these starts were after he tweaked his groin.

Date Opponent Score Dec IP H R ER HR BB K W L SV BS HLD IP ERA
Jul 29 @ SEA L 2-3 L 7.0 11 3 3 1 0 6 11 4 0 0 0 148.0 2.68
Jul 24 TAM L 2-4 - 9.0 4 2 1 0 3 10 11 3 0 0 0 141.0 2.62
Jul 19 BOS W 3-1 W 9.0 6 1 1 0 0 7 11 3 0 0 0 132.0 2.73
Jul 9 @ TAM L 2-3 L 7.0 9 3 3 0 0 8 10 3 0 0 0 123.0 2.85
Jul 4 @ NYY L 5-6 - 7.0 9 5 5 3 3 3 10 2 0 0 0 116.0 2.79
Jun 29 TAM L 1-4 L 6.0 5 2 2 1 2 7 10 2 0 0 0 109.0 2.56
Jun 12 FLA L 3-7 - 3.0 5 1 1 0 0 0 10 1 0 0 0 103.0 2.53
Jun 7 KAN W 4-0 W 9.0 7 0 0 0 0 6 10 1 0 0 0 100.0 2.52

Year-in, year-out for the past 8 years, Roy Halladay has been one of the top 5 pitchers in baseball. I'd say a consistently great pitcher who finishes what he starts is better than one year of excellence.

Try again.
 

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Captain Fantastic said:
I'd say a consistently great pitcher who finishes what he starts is better than one year of excellence.
Hey, neither you nor anybody else has to defend the Doc to me. Just take a look at my post (#81 above).
 

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I hope they get a guy like Prince Fielder for Doc. We need an everyday electric player with Toronto roots (Daddy Cecil).

Some attitude at the plate for change would be nice. I'm tired of this happy go lucky "better luck next time" chase things in the dirt, over paid bullshit. The heart of the line-up looks like they should be working for a summer camp, singing kumbaya by the fire.
 

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Toronto Passions said:
Some attitude at the plate for change would be nice. I'm tired of this happy go lucky "better luck next time" chase things in the dirt, over paid bullshit. The heart of the line-up looks like they should be working for a summer camp, singing kumbaya by the fire.
I'm in the same camp as you. Overbay, Wells, Rios show some fire in your belly! Hit something! (Personally, I think Wells has just given up. He looks like a man resigned to his fate as simply a mediocre player. Rios is still putting up a bit of a fight.)
 

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Hey Blue Jay hitters, please score 5 runs for the good Doctor.
Not helped by Millar's error in the first. Doc seems to start his games lately by getting into early trouble.

Batting line-up after Lind is really weak. :eek:
 

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teassoc said:
Not helped by Millar's error in the first. Doc seems to start his games lately by getting into early trouble.

Batting line-up after Lind is really weak. :eek:
Millar is done! I have no idea why he's in the lineup. Why are Wells & Rios still way up there in the middle of the lineup? Barojas should be hitting ahead of them. I have no confidence in Encarnacion. He looks fat & out of shape....and uninterested.

God i miss Scott Rolen!!!!
 

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SkyRider said:
I'm in the same camp as you. Overbay, Wells, Rios show some fire in your belly! Hit something! (Personally, I think Wells has just given up. He looks like a man resigned to his fate as simply a mediocre player. Rios is still putting up a bit of a fight.)
Did you see Prince Fielder today in the locker room? He was trying to gain access to the Dodgers locker room. The guy is dangerous, animated, and we need this kind of hitter in this city.

I want him even more now. Ironic how I said I wish we had him a week ago in this thread. This Terb sports forum has a past of doing this to me.
 

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The Jays are all screwed up. For the past two months, a Doc Halladay W is as rare as a Vernon Wells home run. We have to quarantine Wells to stop the disease.:(
 
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