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Frankfooter

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Was Trump wrong in the border crisis?
Was Trump wrong for looking into the USAID?
I don't agree with his Tariff position. specially with Canada.
Was Trump wrong on his stance regarding Trans on women's sports?
Was Trump wrong for bombing Iran's Nuke facility? (this I'm on the fence)
What is Trump doing something that's "far worse".
Genocide.
Pedophilia.
Rape.
Corruption.
ICE.

It goes on and on.

 

The Oracle

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Of course.
Trump is doing something much different and far worse.
Different things get different mentions.
That's the least shocking thing ever.
Obama deported 3 million illegals and they stopped counting midway through his second term...The deporter in chief in chief, lol.

He also dropped more bombs then any other president via drone strikes...Wasn't much outrage there either....Barely a peep from MSM.

The hypocrisy is real...Just own it.
 

Valcazar

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Was Trump wrong in the border crisis?
Yes.
Both in his diagnosis and even more dramatically in his solution.

Was Trump wrong for looking into the USAID?
Obviously.
The deaths DOGE is causing alone should have made that clear.

I don't agree with his Tariff position. specially with Canada.
Good.
It's so wildly stupid that almost no one can pretend to support it.

Was Trump wrong on his stance regarding Trans on women's sports?
Yes.
His catering to a bizarre obsession as an excuse to increase federal power is bad.

Was Trump wrong for bombing Iran's Nuke facility? (this I'm on the fence)
Probably, both for the "let's get our shit dragged into more wars" and the "we didn't really do it very well" reasons.

What is Trump doing something that's "far worse".
I don't know why you asked all those other questions since supposedly this was about Obama's immigration and deportation policy compared to Trump's.
Sticking to that - Trump is engaging in mass deportation without due process in ways that even his own base, who supported stronger deportation, is turning against.
The whole way he has been doing it has been a legal and moral disaster several times worse than Obama's own controversial approach.
 
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Valcazar

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Obama deported 3 million illegals and they stopped counting midway through his second term...The deporter in chief in chief, lol.
Who stopped counting?
Also, you do know "Deporter in Chief" was a critical nickname because lots of people disapproved of how he was doing that, right?
I don't know why you think he never got any criticism about that.

And, of course, the irony that Obama, without leaning into the abuses of process Trump is doing, was far more efficient at deporting people and especially at deporting criminals, isn't lost on me.

He also dropped more bombs then any other president via drone strikes...Wasn't much outrage there either....Barely a peep from MSM.
Are you fucking kidding me?
The whole "Obama and Drones" thing was endlessly criticized.
Sure, most Americans are fine with drones, but the left in particular fucking hammered him on it.

The person who got a free pass on drones was Trump, as you well know.
All coverage basically stopped.
Even the "I can't vote for Obama because of the Drones" people basically stuck their heads in the sand.
All while Trump increased drone strikes, reduced restrictions and killed more and more civilians in the areas he expanded the wars to.

The hypocrisy is real...Just own it.
I am glad you own your hypocrisy.
I keep trying to tell people that pointing out the hypocrisy of the right wing isn't that helpful because you all are proud of it and that it is, in reality, not even hypocrisy due to the worldview of inequality baked right into the cake there.
 

richaceg

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Yes.
Both in his diagnosis and even more dramatically in his solution.



Obviously.
The deaths DOGE is causing alone should have made that clear.



Good.
It's so wildly stupid that almost no one can pretend to support it.



Yes.
His catering to a bizarre obsession as an excuse to increase federal power is bad.



Probably, both for the "let's get our shit dragged into more wars" and the "we didn't really do it very well" reasons.



I don't know why you asked all those other questions since supposedly this was about Obama's immigration and deportation policy compared to Trump's.
Sticking to that - Trump is engaging in mass deportation without due process in ways that even his own base, who supported stronger deportation, is turning against.
The whole way he has been doing it has been a legal and moral disaster several times worse than Obama's own controversial approach.
So you think there should never be a stoppage of illegal immigration on the southern border of the US?
What deaths has DOGE caused?
You still think Biological males should compete in women's sports? Like Lebron can identify as female and score 1000 pts per game? LoL.
 

Valcazar

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So you think there should never be a stoppage of illegal immigration on the southern border of the US?
What a weird and silly thing to say.
There hasn't been a single politician who has taken that view for decades.
Pointing out that Trump has been doing bad shit with his immigration policy doesn't equate to "never be a stoppage of illegal immigration on the southern border of the US"?
What an insane brain fart.

I mean, hell, Oracle or whoever goes on and on about how Obama was "The Deporter in Chief" and a lot of that was because Obama was SO much more effective than Trump at stopping illegal crossings and catching those who did them.

What deaths has DOGE caused?

You still think Biological males should compete in women's sports? Like Lebron can identify as female and score 1000 pts per game? LoL.
What a weird obsession you have.
What I think on the issue is that it isn't something the Federal government should be trying to solve by authoritarian power.
I get that you might think a more powerful government overruling local control is a good thing, but I'm not really into that.
 
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Shaquille Oatmeal

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Was Trump wrong in the border crisis?
Was Trump wrong for looking into the USAID?
Was Trump wrong on his stance regarding Trans on women's sports?
Was Trump wrong for bombing Iran's Nuke facility? (this I'm on the fence)
What is Trump doing something that's "far worse".
Yes on all counts.
What is Trump doing worse?
- He is abusing power.
- He is violating the constitution as well as court orders and undermining democracy.
- He is openly pushing white supremacy.
- He is engaging in cover ups.
- He is pro-crime and pro-criminal and pardoning actual violent criminals.
- He is cutting social assistance for people who need them the most while cutting taxes for the rich.
- He appoints unserious, unprofessional, unintelligent and unqualified people to positions of power who know nothing about how to function in their office.
- He is brought in unelected billionaire and used him to gut federal agencies that provide oversight into shady business practices.
I could go on.
 

Frankfooter

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Yes on all counts.
What is Trump doing worse?
- He is abusing power.
- He is violating the constitution as well as court orders and undermining democracy.
- He is openly pushing white supremacy.
- He is engaging in cover ups.
- He is pro-crime and pro-criminal and pardoning actual violent criminals.
- He is cutting social assistance for people who need them the most while cutting taxes for the rich.
- He appoints unserious, unprofessional, unintelligent and unqualified people to positions of power who know nothing about how to function in their office.
- He is brought in unelected billionaire and used him to gut federal agencies that provide oversight into shady business practices.
I could go on.
But mostly, isn't it time to drain the swamp of all the deep state pedo's?

 
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richaceg

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What a weird and silly thing to say.
There hasn't been a single politician who has taken that view for decades.
Pointing out that Trump has been doing bad shit with his immigration policy doesn't equate to "never be a stoppage of illegal immigration on the southern border of the US"?
What an insane brain fart.

I mean, hell, Oracle or whoever goes on and on about how Obama was "The Deporter in Chief" and a lot of that was because Obama was SO much more effective than Trump at stopping illegal crossings and catching those who did them.






What a weird obsession you have.
What I think on the issue is that it isn't something the Federal government should be trying to solve by authoritarian power.
I get that you might think a more powerful government overruling local control is a good thing, but I'm not really into that.
You think stopping or mitigating illegal immigration is wrong? You can't answer straight.
Your link was an opinion piece. DOGE didn't cut everything on USAID, just the stupid ones.

It's authoritarian to stop biological males from competing in women's sports? how do you call forcing women to compete with biological males then?
 
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richaceg

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Yes on all counts.
What is Trump doing worse?
- He is abusing power.
- He is violating the constitution as well as court orders and undermining democracy.
- He is openly pushing white supremacy.
- He is engaging in cover ups.
- He is pro-crime and pro-criminal and pardoning actual violent criminals.
- He is cutting social assistance for people who need them the most while cutting taxes for the rich.
- He appoints unserious, unprofessional, unintelligent and unqualified people to positions of power who know nothing about how to function in their office.
- He is brought in unelected billionaire and used him to gut federal agencies that provide oversight into shady business practices.
I could go on.
nice bullet points or we should call it bullshit points...
 

richaceg

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Also tall people, they have an unfair advantage and shouldn't be allowed to do sports.
Shall we call you Harrison Bergeron?
Being tall isn't an advantage...muscle mas, strength athleticism is...
If Lebron identifies as a woman tomorrow, would you like to see him play WNBA for 1000 pts per game? be the MVP for the next 20 years?
 
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