Just a Reminder that Agencies Aren’t Legal

[Theredmilf]

Halton police charge woman in human trafficking case

Investigators allege that over an 18-month period, an adult female victim was trafficked in the sex trade across the Greater Toronto Area.

toronto.citynews.ca

No, you cannot receive material benefit from someone else’s sexual services. That’s all folks

 

[NadiaLovechanko]

Halton police charge woman in human trafficking case

Investigators allege that over an 18-month period, an adult female victim was trafficked in the sex trade across the Greater Toronto Area.

toronto.citynews.ca

No, you cannot receive material benefit from someone else’s sexual services. That’s all folks

Please say this louder for the people in the back who ask every month for one here

 

[Theredmilf]

Please say this louder for the people in the back who ask every month for one here

I’m especially saying it to those who keep trying to encourage sex workers to start one. The balls it takes to ask us to put our lives at risk and to exploit our sisters just so cheap prices can hit the market.

 

[NadiaLovechanko]

Whether they are legal or not, the majority of clients don’t care. Agencies offer lower standard pricing with women who are often times far better looking than their independent counterparts, while often offering liberal services as well.

Despite the continued seething of independents, agencies and spas (which are essentially agencies) will continue to thrive.

Well it’s not just about the “clients not caring” it’s who runs the agency going to jail.

Spa also work mainly on a “private member” policy that allows some loopholes

Also the fact it is a body rub parlour & not a brothel aka agencies

Any of us workers who were around in 2014 when the bill passed know the law inside and out, as well as taking the time to thoroughly investigate ourselves what the grey line is.

 

[NadiaLovechanko]

I’m especially saying it to those who keep trying to encourage sex workers to start one. The balls it takes to ask us to put ours lives at risk and to exploit our sister’s just so cheap prices can hit the market.

Exactly! I worked for two agencies back in the day, 2014 price being 200$h (with extra services closer to 300$h) and in 2015 being 350$h

So the fact that was 10 years ago… those rates everyone had been dying for don’t even make sense.

We keep getting compared to Toronto (7.1 million pop + traveling clients) and Montreal ( 4.2 million pop + traveling clients), Ottawa is a small fish in a big pond & it being the capital have a much stronger bylaw presence & stickler for rules

 

[NadiaLovechanko]

Did you even read the article?

Where does it reference an agency owner going to jail?

@Theredmilf posted this article with an unrelated title on terb to spread her anti-agency message. She probably didn’t like the explosion in comments in recent days praising agencies on this website.

Besides, this thread won’t even last long as the majority of TERB ad revenue is from agencies.

I actually know the law and a couple agency owners that went to jail for running a brothel… lol

There is more to life than an article. (Which is just one small example on the grand scheme of things)

You seem very hostile towards me and Ruby who are simply trying to educate

I wish you nothing but the best & hope you have a fabulous day

 

[NadiaLovechanko]

Trust me I wish we could back to 2014 when he has legal agencies, I am very pro decriminalization & the full legalization of all forms of sex work.

 

[Theredmilf]

Did you even read the article?

Where does it reference an agency owner going to jail?

@Theredmilf posted this article with an unrelated title on terb to spread her anti-agency message. She probably didn’t like the explosion in comments in recent days praising agencies on this website.

Besides, this thread won’t even last long as the majority of TERB ad revenue is from agencies.

The agency is “Don White’s Associates” Don White was her boyfriend and business partner. Bianca White is very well known in the industry so none of this is a secret. Obviously, he is probably even more culpable but I can only speculate there’s some reason he hasn’t been arrested such as maybe he’s not in Canada. That would make sense given the nature and scope of their business.

As far as my own position, I’m not against agencies in theory just those that exploit workers, I’m against exploitation of all workers in all industries not just sex workers, and unfortunately, the majority of them do. I think there is an amazing case to be made however for a spa or Indy co-op agency which would not only be legal, but would be fair and much safer.

 

[TheRiddlerMan]

Did you even read the article?

Where does it reference an agency owner going to jail?

@Theredmilf posted this article with an unrelated title on terb to spread her anti-agency message. She probably didn’t like the explosion in comments in recent days praising agencies on this website.

Besides, this thread won’t even last long as the majority of TERB ad revenue is from agencies.

Why the hostility? She pointed out a simple fact - brothel owners can be charged with receiving a material benefit from prostitution. I'm sure Nadia and Theredmilf know that it won't change the desire for a new agency scene here in Ottawa, and they're both established providers anyway who have their own clientele. It's not like there were no independents back in the Pink Kitty days.

 

[@madelineklaire]

I’ll be honest, I’ve actually thought about starting an agency myself. I even worked with one for a while, and on paper it seemed appealing: someone handling the advertising, screening, and logistics, a space to work out of, and built-in clientele. But the reality was eye-opening. The trade-off was losing a lot of autonomy and earning significantly less than I could as an independent. Even with the steady flow of clients, what I actually took home wasn’t much different from what I could make doing standard spa sessions on my own.

That experience really changed how I see the “more agencies = better” argument. Agencies tend to thrive where the market is oversaturated and it’s hard for independents to stand out but that doesn’t mean they’re the best long-term answer. Having a third party set your value, dictate boundaries, or shape what you have to offer based on demand isn’t necessarily empowering or sustainable.

I think what’s really missing isn’t another agency; it’s better infrastructure overall safer and more transparent advertising platforms, better education around screening and client safety, and an industry culture where neither providers nor clients feel like they have to compromise their own boundaries just to participate. Agencies can fill a short-term gap, but they’re not the real fix for the bigger issues people are frustrated about

 

[@madelineklaire]

As mentioned before, it is a lot more common for bigger cities to have a stronger agency presence. I honestly think much of it comes down to people compromising or simply choosing convenience. The market in a place like Montreal is extremely competitive and often oversaturated, which makes it harder for independents to stand out. Agencies can feel like the “easier” option because they take away the work of advertising, screening, and securing a safe space to work.

That doesn’t necessarily mean it is the better or more empowering long-term path. Many stay with agencies because it is familiar, stable enough to pay the bills, and spares them the extra effort of managing everything alone. But that comes at the cost of giving up control over rates, boundaries, and how they run their business.

For some, that trade-off is worth it. For others, especially those who value autonomy or want to earn their full potential, it can feel limiting over time. I think that is why you see agencies thrive in cities where the market is crowded, but also why many independents eventually choose to break away once they have built a client base and feel secure on their own.

If they are happy then that is great, but honestly I do not think it is as easy as people assume to break away and become fully independent. It is one thing to thrive under an agency structure with their marketing and pricing, but stepping out on your own can feel completely different. Would she still be able to stand on her own if she had to set new rates or reframe her services in a way that clients were not already accustomed to from her agency days? That part is often overlooked, and I think it is a much bigger challenge than it seems from the outside.

 

[isotope9648]

I for one would much rather see Indy providers who genuinely like what they do and feel fully in control of their work environment - even if it comes at a more premium price tag. The interaction is much different (and better!) than seeing a provider from an agency who may not like the circumstances of their work environment (or worse). Going even further, some Indy gems take it to the next level by curating the experience even from the booking stage. Many of the genuine experiences I've had with some of the Ottawa Indy ladies would not have been possible if they were a part of an agency.

It sounds like some members are treating it as a marketplace instead of real people trying to make a living (especially when the economy is in shambles). The more consumer oriented this space becomes, the less magic and human connection it will eventually have.

 

[@madelineklaire]

It's more common in bigger cities because over abundance of clients to girls ratio. It's not compromising anything. It's just convenience. Convenient for clients, who find it trustworthy non scamming, fair market price, and good services with wide ranging menu. Convenient for providers, who really just need to show up. Why is competition a bad thing. If she's good, the market will be busy for her, that's the point of competition. You know Montréal keeps a award thread for best indies and agency providers. They get all kinds of opportunities.



Rates are dictated by market value. You can't really control the rates. You can charge whatever you want as a indie but that doesn't mean you'll get business. And I'm pretty sure agency girls have boundaries and menu display on what they want to service. Again, why do you imply competition is a bad thing? It's what thrive businesses. You can't have your cake and eat it too, it just sounds to me like you guys want to be independent and that's fine while disencouraging agency to have its place here. The only thing that keeps the forum conversing os literally the Asian agency threads. They are dominating the market here even in Ottawa. Because they provide great services
If we had a XO and Euphoria agency here, with quality services, I think that would be great.



Those independents that break away from agencies only do well because they were providing good services and were top performers in the agency. Otherwise, they wouldn't make it far. The beauty of competition, let the quality of service build thier future to leave the nest.

For your last paragraph, ya I agree. I'm all for independents if they do well, they do well with a bit more work and effort but that also means they keep 100 percent of profit. So no complaints there. This idea of "agency bad" is what ticks people off.

I get what you are saying and I can see why agencies can feel appealing, especially in bigger cities where the market is crowded and convenience plays a big role. I also understand why clients like the security and predictability of booking through an agency and why some providers appreciate not having to handle advertising, space, and client management on their own.

For me, though, I think the real issue is that while agencies can fill a short-term gap, they do not always set providers up to thrive on their own long term. It can be harder than people realize to leave and rebuild an independent business at new rates or with a different structure after being under an agency model. Convenience in the moment can limit independence later, and it shapes how the market values that provider going forward.

I am not against competition and I am not saying agencies are bad. I just think the bigger solution is better infrastructure overall: safer and more transparent advertising platforms, better screening and safety education, and a culture where both clients and providers can maintain their own boundaries without being pressured to compromise. Agencies can work for some people and that is fine, but they are not the fix for the deeper issues many in the industry struggle with.

 

[@madelineklaire]

I got quoted $600+/hr recently from an escort in Ottawa that is available on an agency website in Toronto for $250/hr.

Back in the day, Dasha Ivanov used to charge $500-$700/hr as an Indy, yet you would find her at an agency for $250/hr.

Long live our great agencies. Hopefully we got back some non-Asian agencies in Ottawa.

I’ve actually worked for the same agency you’re referring to, so I want to give some first-hand perspective. The people running it were kind and respectful, but working under that model meant giving up autonomy over my rates and services and fitting myself into a box to meet demand. It required high volume and a lot of energy, and at the end of the day I walked away with considerably less than what I earn independently now.

That is the core issue. Agencies are not necessarily harmful, but the structure forces attendants to conform to a consumer-driven, volume-based model that undervalues individual providers. It becomes transactional and mechanical, not because the agency sets out to make it that way, but because the system pushes it there.

Yes, some people prefer the convenience of having everything handled for them and that’s fair, but it comes at the cost of independence and long-term sustainability. Your comment actually proves why the industry needs better infrastructure, not more agencies: safer and more transparent advertising options, better education on screening and safety, and spaces where people can set their own limits, rates, and standards.

I’m fortunate now to be able to operate independently, even outside my main city, because I learned and found resources. I share that info whenever I can because I think the future of this work should empower providers rather than keep them boxed in by a third party.

 

[Jimmy_Jones]

I’ve actually worked for the same agency you’re referring to, so I want to give some first-hand perspective. The people running it were kind and respectful, but working under that model meant giving up autonomy over my rates and services and fitting myself into a box to meet demand. It required high volume and a lot of energy, and at the end of the day I walked away with considerably less than what I earn independently now.

That is the core issue. Agencies are not necessarily harmful, but the structure forces attendants to conform to a consumer-driven, volume-based model that undervalues individual providers. It becomes transactional and mechanical, not because the agency sets out to make it that way, but because the system pushes it there.

Yes, some people prefer the convenience of having everything handled for them and that’s fair, but it comes at the cost of independence and long-term sustainability. Your comment actually proves why the industry needs better infrastructure, not more agencies: safer and more transparent advertising options, better education on screening and safety, and spaces where people can set their own limits, rates, and standards.

I’m fortunate now to be able to operate independently, even outside my main city, because I learned and found resources. I share that info whenever I can because I think the future of this work should empower providers rather than keep them boxed in by a third party.

You said it perfectly, I agree 100%

 

[Jimmy_Jones]

Whether they are legal or not, the majority of clients don’t care. Agencies offer lower standard pricing with women who are often times better looking than their independent counterparts, while often offering more liberal services.

Despite the continued seething of independents, agencies and spas (which are essentially agencies) will continue to thrive.

I don't enjoy time with any girl who hasn't made their own choices about any service on the table.

 

[613NutsandBolts]

The agency is “Don White’s Associates” Don White was her boyfriend and business partner. Bianca White is very well known in the industry so none of this is a secret. Obviously, he is probably even more culpable but I can only speculate there’s some reason he hasn’t been arrested such as maybe he’s not in Canada. That would make sense given the nature and scope of their business.

As far as my own position, I’m not against agencies in theory just those that exploit workers, I’m against exploitation of all workers in all industries not just sex workers, and unfortunately, the majority of them do. I think there is an amazing case to be made however a spa or Indy co-op agency which would not only be legal, but would be fair and much safer.

I was thinking she looked familiar, pretty sure I’ve seen her as an SP.

I was confused as to how she was arrested but this comment puts it all together.

 

[itd131]

If I remember correctly, this isn't the first time she has made the news for problems with the law.

 

[Theredmilf]

I got quoted $600+/hr recently from an escort in Ottawa that is available on an agency website in Toronto for $250/hr.

Back in the day, Dasha Ivanov used to charge $500-$700/hr as an Indy, yet you would find her at an agency for $250/hr.

Long live our great agencies. Hopefully we got back some non-Asian agencies in Ottawa.

Thank you for completely dismantling the argument that sex workers thrive working for agencies using simple math.

 

[Theredmilf]

If I remember correctly, this isn't the first time she has made the news for problems with the law.

You are remembering correctly.

Why are you infantilizing the escorts? If she doesn’t want to work for an agency, no reputable agency is forcing them against their will to be there. They made their own choices the minute they signed up for the agency, and if it weren’t economically beneficial to stay with the agency, they would be out the door in a minute.

So many agency escorts have tried the independent market, and they quickly realized they had it better with the agency. Many make a quick return after failing to make it big as an independent escort. The same pattern also emerges with spa MA’s who try to go independent as well.

I don’t think you should be speaking on behalf of workers much less over top of workers.

I’ve only ever heard horror stories coming out of the agencies in Montreal. Maybe there are some good ones and it stands to reason some are better than others, but I’ve only ever heard terms like: exploitation, abuse, unsafe, trafficking, grooming and pimping from actual workers. For you to gloss this over is not only pure gaslighting, it’s harmful and does such a huge disrespect to all those who have been exploited and traumatized.

It’s an unfortunate reality that sex workers struggle because we have a lack of infrastructure and it’s incredibly difficult to run a business independently. Agencies fill a void as an entry point to the industry and assisting with business management functions we can’t find elsewhere and so it’s completely understandable why some workers choose an agency or might feel it’s their only choice. This is hardly enough to make them legal or ethical, let alone uplifting and optimal workplaces though. And there’s a big difference between people doing the best they can with the options in front of them at the time and being given the opportunity to thrive.