Kaberle just got absolutely ruined....
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Retalliating against a dirty hit is not a dumb penalty. It's the kind of action that wins hockey games and Stanley Cups.[/QUOTE]
I totally agree with this quote having played competitive hockey and apparently its still important if you look at the pens latest acquisitions. Its not about being stupid in an attempt to injure rather ensuring the other team senses the intimidation factor, sort of the like the cold war of the past. You need to control having any player on the other team think they can take runs at your best guys, without consequence.
I mean after the guy runs Kaberle I don't think he was waiting for the leafs to tell him where they were meeting for beers after the game, as Kaberle is out flat on he ice. Next game against NJ the leafs should come out strong not dirty, nail that prick clean and anybody else moving, have a few good fights and move on.
I totally agree with this quote having played competitive hockey and apparently its still important if you look at the pens latest acquisitions. Its not about being stupid in an attempt to injure rather ensuring the other team senses the intimidation factor, sort of the like the cold war of the past. You need to control having any player on the other team think they can take runs at your best guys, without consequence.
I mean after the guy runs Kaberle I don't think he was waiting for the leafs to tell him where they were meeting for beers after the game, as Kaberle is out flat on he ice. Next game against NJ the leafs should come out strong not dirty, nail that prick clean and anybody else moving, have a few good fights and move on.
This hit reminded me of the one Steve Moore put on Marcus Naslund. A hit to the head well away from the play by a bit player on a superstar. The league took no action against Moore, but several games later Todd Bertuzzi did and the rest is now history...
The league has to show leadership in circumstances like these. The guy should be suspended for at least 5 games, but 10 games shouldn't be out of the question. There should be no tolerance for this sort of thing.
The league has to show leadership in circumstances like these. The guy should be suspended for at least 5 games, but 10 games shouldn't be out of the question. There should be no tolerance for this sort of thing.
The coach told them not to retaliate and Janssen didn't even take another shift.21pro said:when is the right time and place...?
The leafs showed alot of heart and character coming back after they looked dead in the water. Fluttering pucks that go in still count (I believe New Jersey had a couple that way). The only reason this game went into a shootout was my good buddy McCabe was up to his old tricks. Nice pass down the middle of the ice Bryan!!! keep up the good work!!! Unfortunately he'll be getting more ice time now that it seems Kaberle might be out.
Sorry state of the game...in my opinion that shit is always going to happen when 4th line loosers are trying to make a name for themselves...but the one who should really pay is that referee who was less than 8 feet from the play....what the hell was his excuse.!!! The leafs have been getting some BS calls...but that was terrible...They did win the game (luckily), but payback is going to be a bitch on March 20 at the ACC!!!!...
Jansen never played another shift because even his coach knew it was a cheap shot....he will probably be a scratch on March 20, but Wade will make sure that Elais or someone pays the price!!!
I have my tickets...
Jansen never played another shift because even his coach knew it was a cheap shot....he will probably be a scratch on March 20, but Wade will make sure that Elais or someone pays the price!!!
I have my tickets...
r_u_dair said:Retalliating against a dirty hit is not a dumb penalty. It's the kind of action that wins hockey games and Stanley Cups.
Next game against NJ the leafs should come out strong not dirty, nail that prick clean and anybody else moving, have a few good fights and move on.[/QUOTE]
How about they play some hockey ? If the league would just give out suspensions for those kind of hits, there would be alot less fighting. Most of you guys on here seem to think that this sport is fighting first and then hockey. Grow up !!
I can see the conversation after the game....
Kaberle - I still feel dizzy
Sundin - You okay? That was a hell of a hit by Janssen
Kaberla - I am out for awhile.
Antropov - That was bad hit.
Kaberla - Yes but I bet he got a beating for that.
Silence.....................
Sundin - We won!
Kaberle - I still feel dizzy
Sundin - You okay? That was a hell of a hit by Janssen
Kaberla - I am out for awhile.
Antropov - That was bad hit.
Kaberla - Yes but I bet he got a beating for that.
Silence.....................
Sundin - We won!
Bam Bam would also have loved it if a Leaf took a swing at him. This guy just lives for this stuff. I saw him play a lot in junior as well, more in his last year with the Storm. Everytime he was on the ice, you couldn't take your eyes off of him because you had the sense something was about to happen.iluvbtca said:Jasnssen's a nut job and total enforcer. Okay he's a goon. Saw him a lot as a Spitfire where he was loved. Like many enforcers, did some boxing. I would have loved to see someone on the Leafs take a swing at him.
You don't want to see fighting, go watch soccer.carguy34 said:How about they play some hockey ? If the league would just give out suspensions for those kind of hits, there would be alot less fighting. Most of you guys on here seem to think that this sport is fighting first and then hockey. Grow up !!
It's part of the game and if you can't handle it, don't watch.
The way it used to be.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8rCFe6VdPs
I still remember the cover of the Sun the next day.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8rCFe6VdPs
I still remember the cover of the Sun the next day.
In all fairness I don't think the leafs on the ice saw the hit since they were all turning up ice. Yes, they could've taken a shot at Elias or something later on...but that's not the leafs game (Wendel and Marty were both on the ice at the same time). Regardless, there was someone on the leafs who stood up for Karberle...except he wasn't dressed and I'm not talking about Belak. Clips were shown on Sportsnet and Sportscenter that Tucker was going irrait and was screaming at the Devil's bench from the hallway where he was. Some of you might've thought the leafs shouldn't have signed tucker for the money that he got, but he is one of the heart and souls of the leafs, and this incident just proves it.
The reason why hockey gets low ratings in the US is because everyone has this perception that all hockey is about is fighting. I have relatives who are diehard soccer fans and when the subject of hockey comes up their reaction is that all hockey players do is fight ! I was watching a european satellite station last week where hockey get absolutely no coverage on the news, but guess what...they showed the Ottawa/Buffalo brawl !! The only coverage the NHL gets in alot of these european soccer countries is when there is a brawl. Hockey is not even taken seriously as a sport in many countries !lookingforitallthetime said:You don't want to see fighting, go watch soccer.
It's part of the game and if you can't handle it, don't watch.
It's idiots like you that give hockey a bad name, If you want to see fighting then watch UFC not hockey !!!
now that i've seen the hit i agree. the leafs on the ice never saw the hit. it doesn't excuse them for not headhunting later.Casa_Nova said:In all fairness I don't think the leafs on the ice saw the hit since they were all turning up ice.
there are similarities between this incident and the moore hit on naslund.
Likewise, the general attitude towards soccer in North America is that it's a boring game. And Australians think American football is complete nonsense. We don't give a damn about cricket. Etc, etc, etc. Who cares?carguy34 said:The reason why hockey gets low ratings in the US is because everyone has this perception that all hockey is about is fighting. I have relatives who are diehard soccer fans and when the subject of hockey comes up their reaction is that all hockey players do is fight ! I was watching a european satellite station last week where hockey get absolutely no coverage on the news, but guess what...they showed the Ottawa/Buffalo brawl !! The only coverage the NHL gets in alot of these european soccer countries is when there is a brawl. Hockey is not even taken seriously as a sport in many countries !
I will point out that hockey has gained a lot of international interest in the past few decades. That's why since the early 90s international tournaments have become so much more competitive. In recent tournaments any one of Sweden, Russia, USA, Czech Rep., or Canada could have won. With Finland and Slovakia having a good outside threat as well. There's top flight NHL players from Germany, Switzerland, Kazakhstan... Point being, hockey is taken very seriously by many people in many countries.
In NHL hockey, fighting is a long standing tradition. And there's an unspoken code of when it's reasonable for a guy to get pummeled for his actions. That hit on Kaberle was by definition when the code comes into play. Typically speaking, if we couldn't get at Janssen, one of our goons should have taken a run at Brodeur as retaliation. It's the system, it's how things work. The Leafs may have appeared to have taken the high road, but more likely they'll look for revenge next game. Gordie Howe was known for always getting his man, even if it took seasons to wait for the opportunity.
A recent example, aside from the Drury ordeal was Crosby exaggerating a cheap shot he took while playing Montreal. Even though he was mostly acting, his team took it very seriously. The result? Koivu getting absolutely nailed behind his own net and hot tempers for the rest of the game. And to think, this was before Roberts and Laraque. By the way, anyone catch the Roberts fight last night? Boy, he always knew how to make an impression. Not just on fans, but occasionally opponents faces.
Love it or hate it that's NHL hockey. And the real fans don't give a damn what people in the US or Europe have to say about it. This is our game.
As a side note, when looking at the Kaberle hit on youtube I clicked on the Ciccarelli stick swinging and it was pretty obvious how much the game has changed since then in obstruction, hooking and the like. In the 45 seconds or so of lead up, there would have been at least 4 penalties called.
you haven't seen that i posted this first?new2game said:..That hit was not only late,it ws an elbow to the head..and he attempted to leave his feet when delivering the check...enough of the head shots already..the league needs to send a message....10 games minimum for this goon...
though, i only think it warrants a game to 3 games.21pro said:oh, i'm not debating that it wasn't a cheap shot- it clearly was.
late? yes. elbow to the head? no contact. leaving the feet before hitting? Leaving his feet? LEAVING HIS FEET? WHERE? IN HIS SKATES? my guess is you meant his feet left the ice? but, absolutely not until clearly after the hit occurred.
you are laughable at best sometimes. but, so am i.
you mean , the coach told them not to retaliate because Janssen didn't take another shift. atleast that's what PM said in A-T-H PressConf.Malibook said:The coach told them not to retaliate and Janssen didn't even take another shift.
still, no one mentioned or tried to do anything to Jenssen immediately following the hit.
Agreed.Casa_Nova said:Some of you might've thought the leafs shouldn't have signed tucker for the money that he got, but he is one of the heart and souls of the leafs, and this incident just proves it.
Tucker should be the Captain. Trade Sundin for a stick and a roll of tape.
