Kennedy Assassination

[danmand]

Last night on Smiley (PBS), he interviewed David Talbot, author of a book about the Kennedy brothers, Bobby and John F.

Talbot described, that the Kennedy aide in the car behind JFK, the security people and Mrs Kennedy all were convinced that shots were fired from ahead of the car. They all reported back to Bobby Kennedy that it was a crossfire.

Talbot said that Bobby was biding his time to when he would be in a powerful position to reopen the investigation into the assassination.

 

[LancsLad]

You know that by posting this you will draw DQ back into the fold.

This has been beaten into the ground here and in every other forum . I always thought there was cross directional fire given the head motions in the film.

Every good conspiracy theory needs the pot stirred occasionally.

 

[Anderson]

Is there anyone out there who has read a little on the subject or seen any documentaries, or know anything about history/politics who actually does still think there was only 1 shooter ?

I know that some people who have zero knowledge of the above will scream out ''conspiracy theorists'' in sarcasm but seriously ?

It is pretty obvious that there was more than 1 shooter.

The easiest answer ( by far, not the only one) is that with a circa 1962 rifle, from the 6th floor by an above average shot ( military records of Oswald) on a moving target and the fact that you had to re cock the rifle 2 times after the first shot and re aim, it was impossible to make the hit.

Even with a 2007 rifle today by the worlds best sharpshooter no one could make those shots.The first yes, the next ones -never.

Castro, the Mafia, the CIA, the unions, LBJ, the military, everyone wanted Kennedy dead , who cares who took the actual shots .

Please no one mention the freaking Warren commission

 

[LancsLad]

I believe that there were at least two shooters, but that was for insurance purposes.

I beg to differ with your analysis on the viability of a sniper with a bolt action being able to get rapid and accurate fire.

While I am not familiar with the rifle used by oswald I am with the SMLE. You can and must get 10 kill shots in a minute to get marksmens status and many did. The Enfield is a beautiful weapon that in the hands of a capable shooter was a deadly tool.

 

[danmand]

I believe that there were at least two shooters, but that was for insurance purposes.

I beg to differ with your analysis on the viability of a sniper with a bolt action being able to get rapid and accurate fire.

While I am not familiar with the rifle used by oswald I am with the SMLE. You can and must get 10 kill shots in a minute to get marksmens status and many did. The Enfield is a beautiful weapon that in the hands of a capable shooter was a deadly tool.

But there are a lot more unanswered questions regarding Oswalds role.
Read Bertrand Russells list somewhere in this forum.

The most damaging, as I see it, is that the police in Dallas changed the route
the morning of the shooting to have the cars go where Oswald could see them.
He would have no legitimate way of knowing that.

 

[Anderson]

Years ago the Mossad actually re enacted the whole situation and their best sharp shooters could not make the shot- I read this somewhere in some book.

I know what you mean about the 10 kill shots
but one must remember that that is not 10 kill shots from the sixth floor, at the angle with a moving target, with many secret service agents aware after the first shot ( and cautious beforehand) , and the stress etc etc etc.

 

[LancsLad]

please understand I'm not saying Oswald acted alone or was the sole shooter. I think he was the set up guy all along.


By the 10 kill shots I meant firing without pause to get 10 accurate shots on target( human) within a one minute period. In battle conditions that generally included a mag change. It is amazing what you can do with training and repetition.

 

[Anderson]

No, no , I fully understand your point and its a very valid one and I think we agree.

That Mossad report went into great detail about this-I wish I remembered the name of the book, maybe I can find the report on the net.

 

[Anderson]

Wow , google works !!!

Ostrovsky did not support the contention that organized crime may have been behind Kennedy's killing.

But he wrote that the Mossad carried out a simulated exercise using better, more powerful weapons than Oswald's 6.5mm rifle and telescopic sight and couldn't hit a moving target from the 88-yard distance Oswald was from the motorcade.

''A single bullet is supposed to have gone through the back of Kennedy's head, out his chest and into Connally,'' the book said. ''If you look at the film (of the assassination), you'll see those points were not aligned. If ever a bullet could do a Waltzing Matilda, that was it.''

 

[onthebottom]

Yawn....

I really like the second spitter episode of Seinfeld...... the magic luggie - now that's funny.

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[Anderson]

That was a great episode indeed !

Maybe the Palestinians killed Kennedy !!!

 

[LancsLad]

That was a great episode indeed !

Maybe the Palestinians killed Kennedy !!!

They did , Bobby.

 

[onthebottom]

That was a great episode indeed !

Maybe the Palestinians killed Kennedy !!!

Or the IRA..... no, wait, why cut off a funding source

 

[LancsLad]

It was Dick Cheney.

 

[Anderson]

That was very funny about Bobby because I was only joking about the Palestinians re; our other recent discussion where we have solved the worlds problems .

 

[LancsLad]

That was very funny about Bobby because I was only joking about the Palestinians re; our other recent discussion where we have solved the worlds problems .

Seems that no matter what the problem, whereever it is, that lot does seem to figure in it somehow.

 

[lookingforitallthetime]

By the 10 kill shots I meant firing without pause to get 10 accurate shots on target( human) within a one minute period. In battle conditions that generally included a mag change. It is amazing what you can do with training and repetition.

Only a fool would deny the assassination was a conspiracy (sorry OTB).

I realize Stone's movie was loose with facts and drew false conclusions but, the one point that stood out for me was the fact that Oswald waited for a less favourable shooting position. Once the motorcade turned onto Elm (coming towards Oswald), Kennedy was an easier target than he was just before reaching the underpass (going away from Oswald).

The other point that had validity was the fact that the final shot was the kill shot, not the first. Under normal circumstances, wouldn't the first shot be the most accurate?

I'm asking you Lancs, as someone with knowledge on the subject of shooting guns.

 

[Anderson]

Oswald could have hit him with 1 shot, but 3 shots with that rifle under those conditions ?

Never, never , never.

I know you asked someone else but you got me.

 

[lookingforitallthetime]

Oswald could have hit him with 1 shot, but 3 shots with that rifle under those conditions ?

Never, never , never.

I know you asked someone else but you got me.

Thanks Marc. I asked Lancs because he's our resident marksmen. He will respond to my question soon enough.

In fact, I'm sure at this very moment he's formulating a concise and politically correct answer to my question.

 

[onthebottom]

And I get a hard time for the timeliness of a Clinton thread.....

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