What chance do these two guys have of becoming President.The U.S. would be in sad shape with these geniuses running the Country.They may go right ahead and pull us out of Iraq and lose all we have gained.
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All we have gained in Iraq,bringing down a brutal tyrant and not leaving till peace and a civil government is in charge.Also the strides we have taken to bring down terrorism around the globe.We must continue to persevere no matter what the cost and not let up.
This is a GAIN?????
Hate to burst your bubble Peace4u but I doubt Bush/Cheney have accomplished much of a "gain" at all to date, other than enriching Halliburton et al., beyond their wildest dreams. You see terrorism has been around 3-4 thousand years, an unfortunate constant in human history. But on the plus side Bush/Cheney did accomplish the following...anyone else smell political shenanigans here?:
Security Official Apologizes to Kennedy
By LOLITA C. BALDOR, Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON - A top Homeland Security official has apologized to Sen. Edward M. Kennedy who was stopped at airports because a name similar to his appeared on the government's no-fly list of terror suspects.
"If they have that kind of difficulty with a member of Congress, how in the world are average Americans, who are getting caught up in this thing, how are they going to be treated fairly and not have their rights abused?" Kennedy asked Homeland Security undersecretary Asa Hutchinson.
The Massachusetts Democrat said he'd been misidentified on the watch list when he tried to board airliners between Washington and Boston. Kennedy said he was stopped five times as he tried to board US Airways shuttles because a name similar to his appeared on a list or his name popped up for additional screening.
Hutchinson, who apologized for "any inconvenience" to the senator, testified Thursday before the Senate Judiciary Committee on the need for the federal government to take over the watch lists, which are currently administered by the airlines.
Another prominent Democratic member of Congress, Rep. John Lewis of Georgia, said Friday the same thing has happened to him for months. Lewis said he can't get an electronic ticket, must show extra identification and has his luggage combed through by hand.
"I said, 'I'm the most nonviolent person to get on this plane and the most peaceful person to get on this plane,'" said Lewis, a pioneer of the civil rights movement.
Lewis said one airline representative in Atlanta told him, "Once you're on the list, there's no way to get off it." Lewis said he filed a complaint with the Department of Homeland Security and even considered a lawsuit.
This week, Lewis got a call from another John Lewis — a faculty member at the University of Houston — who told him he also was on a no-fly list.
"It's weird," he said. "But I like being classed with Ted Kennedy and the congressman. It makes me feel more important."
Kennedy said he was stopped at airports in Washington, D.C., and Boston three times in March. Airline agents told him he would not be sold a ticket because his name was on a list.
When he asked the agent why, he was told, "We can't tell you."
Each time, a supervisor recognized Kennedy and got him on the flight. But after the third incident, Kennedy's staff called the Transportation Security Administration and asked to clear up the confusion.
The TSA said a name similar to Kennedy's was on the watch list, and that he was later flagged to go through additional screening. TSA also said that the airlines didn't handle the matter properly.
But twice after contacting TSA, Kennedy was stopped again at the airline counter.
The American Civil Liberties Union has filed lawsuits in San Francisco and Seattle over this issue, demanding that the government explain how wrongly flagged travelers can get off the lists.
Hutchinson said that people who experience problems can call the TSA ombudsman to clear things up.
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Associated Press writer Jeffrey McMurray contributed to this story.
Hate to burst your bubble Peace4u but I doubt Bush/Cheney have accomplished much of a "gain" at all to date, other than enriching Halliburton et al., beyond their wildest dreams. You see terrorism has been around 3-4 thousand years, an unfortunate constant in human history. But on the plus side Bush/Cheney did accomplish the following...anyone else smell political shenanigans here?:
Security Official Apologizes to Kennedy
By LOLITA C. BALDOR, Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON - A top Homeland Security official has apologized to Sen. Edward M. Kennedy who was stopped at airports because a name similar to his appeared on the government's no-fly list of terror suspects.
"If they have that kind of difficulty with a member of Congress, how in the world are average Americans, who are getting caught up in this thing, how are they going to be treated fairly and not have their rights abused?" Kennedy asked Homeland Security undersecretary Asa Hutchinson.
The Massachusetts Democrat said he'd been misidentified on the watch list when he tried to board airliners between Washington and Boston. Kennedy said he was stopped five times as he tried to board US Airways shuttles because a name similar to his appeared on a list or his name popped up for additional screening.
Hutchinson, who apologized for "any inconvenience" to the senator, testified Thursday before the Senate Judiciary Committee on the need for the federal government to take over the watch lists, which are currently administered by the airlines.
Another prominent Democratic member of Congress, Rep. John Lewis of Georgia, said Friday the same thing has happened to him for months. Lewis said he can't get an electronic ticket, must show extra identification and has his luggage combed through by hand.
"I said, 'I'm the most nonviolent person to get on this plane and the most peaceful person to get on this plane,'" said Lewis, a pioneer of the civil rights movement.
Lewis said one airline representative in Atlanta told him, "Once you're on the list, there's no way to get off it." Lewis said he filed a complaint with the Department of Homeland Security and even considered a lawsuit.
This week, Lewis got a call from another John Lewis — a faculty member at the University of Houston — who told him he also was on a no-fly list.
"It's weird," he said. "But I like being classed with Ted Kennedy and the congressman. It makes me feel more important."
Kennedy said he was stopped at airports in Washington, D.C., and Boston three times in March. Airline agents told him he would not be sold a ticket because his name was on a list.
When he asked the agent why, he was told, "We can't tell you."
Each time, a supervisor recognized Kennedy and got him on the flight. But after the third incident, Kennedy's staff called the Transportation Security Administration and asked to clear up the confusion.
The TSA said a name similar to Kennedy's was on the watch list, and that he was later flagged to go through additional screening. TSA also said that the airlines didn't handle the matter properly.
But twice after contacting TSA, Kennedy was stopped again at the airline counter.
The American Civil Liberties Union has filed lawsuits in San Francisco and Seattle over this issue, demanding that the government explain how wrongly flagged travelers can get off the lists.
Hutchinson said that people who experience problems can call the TSA ombudsman to clear things up.
___
Associated Press writer Jeffrey McMurray contributed to this story.
They have a pretty good chance to answer your question, but know one, not even them, knows what they'll do once in office.
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How to hijack a harmless question into yet another rambling anti-Bush rant....
Some of you people should put this much effort into worrying about your own back yard.
Some of you people should put this much effort into worrying about your own back yard.
gained dipposing of Brutal Iraqi leader,attaking the terorists instead of just sitting idly by,arresting many terrorists in the last few years,making America safe and gaining respect around the world as a threat.Thankyou
DQ,
I think you mean Iran - and *d* tells me that's a energy program not a weapons program!
Don't we have to go thru 14 years of sanctions first - seemed have worked with Iraq - killed 600k people but it worked. Feel free to pick your poison.
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I think you mean Iran - and *d* tells me that's a energy program not a weapons program!
Don't we have to go thru 14 years of sanctions first - seemed have worked with Iraq - killed 600k people but it worked. Feel free to pick your poison.
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You should correct your mis-statement sayig Britains feel U.S. is a greater threat than Bin Laden.That is highly and blatantly a lie.DonQuixote said:There are other brutal dictators out there equal to or worse than Sadam.
Sadam had nothing to do with islamic fundamentalist terrorists.
That was clearly concluded by the 9/11 Commission. In a poll taken
in Britain 70% said the US was a greater threat to world peace than
Bin Laden.
What is your source for saying that the US is gaining respect
around the world? I haven't run across that one before.
The Europeans, tired of centuries of war, are waging peace.
The US hasn't learned the lesson that war is inherantly evil.
I'm presuming you never served in a war zone to personally
experience the tragedy of such an experience.
By the way, Iraq and N. Korea are going forward with their
nuclear programs. When do you suggest we attack them?
Don.
It seems to me alot of what you say are correct.North Korea and Iran are definately a threat.We neither have the man power or resources to handle every threat.I dont see anything being done with North Korea,unless its behind closed doors.We cant afford to get bogged down in Iraq for to long.Reserves and National guard are being way over extended.You have many good points,Saddam and Bin-laden were not even related to one another.
Clinton did nothing to fight terrorism in the eight years he was in office,
They bombed the World trade center on his watch.
They also bombed the USS Cole and he did nothing.
They Bombed American embassies in africa and he did nothing
He pissed away a chance at getting Osamma bin Laden before 911.
His administration put the wall up between domestic & international intellegence agencies so they couldn't share data about terrorist activities.
Allowed the the UN to commit fraud with Oil for Food (Palaces?) program at the expense of the Iraqi people.
Sadam was suppling money and resorces to terrorist organisations. (What do you thing the oil pipeline to Seria was for?)
Although his WMD programs were severly crippled by the 1st gulf war. he had the will and the know how onhand to restart and aquire the technology.
Anytime someone can take the time to remove a despot like Sadam this is a good thing.
Libya has backed away from WMD programs after seeing what happened in Iraq.
Do you think a Trial lawyer and the most liberal senitor on record can do better.
sounds like a way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory to me.
Stay tuned to the Swiftboat vets. If one vet complains maybe its sourgrapes if 200+ complain about Kerry's conduct maybe somebody should be listening.
Should be an interesting Election.
They bombed the World trade center on his watch.
They also bombed the USS Cole and he did nothing.
They Bombed American embassies in africa and he did nothing
He pissed away a chance at getting Osamma bin Laden before 911.
His administration put the wall up between domestic & international intellegence agencies so they couldn't share data about terrorist activities.
Allowed the the UN to commit fraud with Oil for Food (Palaces?) program at the expense of the Iraqi people.
Sadam was suppling money and resorces to terrorist organisations. (What do you thing the oil pipeline to Seria was for?)
Although his WMD programs were severly crippled by the 1st gulf war. he had the will and the know how onhand to restart and aquire the technology.
Anytime someone can take the time to remove a despot like Sadam this is a good thing.
Libya has backed away from WMD programs after seeing what happened in Iraq.
Do you think a Trial lawyer and the most liberal senitor on record can do better.
sounds like a way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory to me.
Stay tuned to the Swiftboat vets. If one vet complains maybe its sourgrapes if 200+ complain about Kerry's conduct maybe somebody should be listening.
Should be an interesting Election.
Gained? 1000 and more DEAD /starting on the second thousand, highest oil prices per barrell of oil on the markets we have ever seen, good paying jobs being replaced buy minimum wage, Mc donalds jobs now being counted as manafacturing jobs so the numbers look better, I sure feel alot safer now with the war on terror since some of my civil liberties have been eroded with the Patriot act and i could go on and on but i'm tirred of typin. I would vote Charlie Manson for President before i would ever vote Dubya another termPeace4u said:What chance do these two guys have of becoming President.The U.S. would be in sad shape with these geniuses running the Country.They may go right ahead and pull us out of Iraq and lose all we have gained.
My back yard is just a little south of the city and i worry about it all the time.MuffinMuncher said:How to hijack a harmless question into yet another rambling anti-Bush rant....
Some of you people should put this much effort into worrying about your own back yard.
The 1000 dead you speak of were volunteers who knew what was at stake when they signed on for the duty the undertook. And I feel it was a sacrafice that was not in vain. They did there best to ensure the safety of there fellow citizens and as a possible symbiotic effect the freedom of the Iraqi people, and the Afgan people, History will decide this.
When I think of tragic death I think of the 3000 or so people in the twin towers, the pentagon and the airliner that crashed in pensilvaina who didn't have a say in there destiny They just got caugth in the middle.
Sadam picked a fight with kiwate (SP?). And that landed his butt in a sling. then he spent the next 14 years thumbing his nose at the conditions of surrender in that fight. You can't convince me that unseating him was a bad idea.
Osama Bin Laden picked the fight with the United States by attacking it's Citizens and installations
The U.S. has now brought the fight to them on U.S. terms, I would speculate that the death toll could potentially be much higher without the actions taken.
The terrorist are off balance & on the run, effecting their ability to attack, and U.S. Citizens are a little farther away from the battle field and with a little luck the terrorist activites will remain off balance and off shore.
Is this not one of the president's Primary Duties?
When I think of tragic death I think of the 3000 or so people in the twin towers, the pentagon and the airliner that crashed in pensilvaina who didn't have a say in there destiny They just got caugth in the middle.
Sadam picked a fight with kiwate (SP?). And that landed his butt in a sling. then he spent the next 14 years thumbing his nose at the conditions of surrender in that fight. You can't convince me that unseating him was a bad idea.
Osama Bin Laden picked the fight with the United States by attacking it's Citizens and installations
The U.S. has now brought the fight to them on U.S. terms, I would speculate that the death toll could potentially be much higher without the actions taken.
The terrorist are off balance & on the run, effecting their ability to attack, and U.S. Citizens are a little farther away from the battle field and with a little luck the terrorist activites will remain off balance and off shore.
Is this not one of the president's Primary Duties?
Yes Bombing an aspirin factory and a couple of empty camps and jailing a blind Cleric sure crippled Al Quada operations. The accusations as I recall were that the Bombings were done to divert the public from the Monica Lewinski affair.
The current administration has done it's best to dry up the money sources to terrorist organizations and deprived them of some safe havens from which to operate and to kill, capture or disrupt their leaders from carrying out further mayhem
What would Kerry and Edwards do?
Negotiate?, Surrender?, Retreat?, Sue them?
The last time the Democrats tried to negotiate a peace with despots North Korea ended up recieving the access it needed to the fissionable materials they needed to build the bombs that are scaring the hell out of the region now.
Can we survive This kind of leadership? Why would you support a candidate the terrorists are hoping will win?
Is there a reason to vote for these guys other than you don't like Bush?
The current administration has done it's best to dry up the money sources to terrorist organizations and deprived them of some safe havens from which to operate and to kill, capture or disrupt their leaders from carrying out further mayhem
What would Kerry and Edwards do?
Negotiate?, Surrender?, Retreat?, Sue them?
The last time the Democrats tried to negotiate a peace with despots North Korea ended up recieving the access it needed to the fissionable materials they needed to build the bombs that are scaring the hell out of the region now.
Can we survive This kind of leadership? Why would you support a candidate the terrorists are hoping will win?
Is there a reason to vote for these guys other than you don't like Bush?
You can't figure out how this....MuffinMuncher said:How to hijack a harmless question into yet another rambling anti-Bush rant....
Some of you people should put this much effort into worrying about your own back yard.
What chance do these two guys have of becoming President.The U.S. would be in sad shape with these geniuses running the Country.They may go right ahead and pull us out of Iraq and lose all we have gained.
....somehow turned into an anti Bush rant?
Republican accusations falsified again
You're right, those were the accusations made by both Republican rank-and-file and Republican leadership. What the accusers conveniently forget, however, is that it was a committee headed by Republican Steve Buyer (Indiana, also on the House Armed Services Committee) who advised the President to make the decision to bomb.burlboy said:The accusations as I recall were that the Bombings were done to divert the public from the Monica Lewinski affair.
