Kijiji Deal Gone Bad

[poker]

Why make excuses for these offenders? They tackled him - Assault. Doesn't matter that he sold them counterfeit goods. IF the assault resulted in his death - Manslaughter.

If you did what they did you would have been charged, why should they get special treatment because they are officers of the law? I've said it 1000x's before, they are paid to uphold and enforce the law so they should be held to a higher standard, not a lesser.

I’m not sure I see your logic here. You are going with unreasonable force…. I actually think it was reasonable. Nobody would expect a person to just get ripped off. That’s not reasonable. Even off duty cops.

Seriously… if an off duty cop was in a store, and a guy came in to rob it, I think it’s reasonable the off duty cop might try to stop him. I think there are many examples of this. The words hero may have been tossed around in a few of them.

I don’t all the details. The thief certainly did not deserve to die…. I still need more info before I throw the cops under the bus. They may have indeed done something dirty, which would not be right. Going to trust the system on this one.

 

[Nesbot]

Sounds like that kid was a bad … Apple

Well done. But do it with dirty bacon. It works better.

 

[Robert Mugabe]

Call me crazy, but I need more details before I pass judgement on the two off-duty Cops.

I'm calling it. You crazy.

 

[Robert Mugabe]

Until the cause of death is determined they can’t be charged for murder.

Death by cop isn't on the books as yet. After all these years.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=compilation+of+cop+shootings

 

[Hippopotamus]

Is that why they say, A cop is never (really) off duty?

 

[black booty lover]

None of were there. But if I had to guess, I would say the Cops acted like anyone else would've. They thought they were buying an Apple watch. When they realized it was a fake, they asked for a refund. The guy refused and ran, so they chased him down. In the ensuing chase the guy probably hit his head. Sometimes it doesn't take much to cause a severe enough injury to cause death. Just look at Bob Saget, bad luck more than anything. The fail to report part is a problem, which is being dealt with.

The moral of the story is, don't rip people off.

It's clear to me that there are two types of people in this thread:

Type A) The type of people living in some fantasy world where they believe any crime that happens to people or themselves, you simply call the police and it will magically get solved. They also the believe that criminals/assholes should be treated with the utmost respect and diplomacy.

Type B) The type of people living in the real world where they understand people have a right to defend themselves against crime, especially since half this shit doesn't get solved. They realize that criminals/assholes committing crimes will eventually bite them in the ass, and get the concept if your going to be a shitty human, your going to end up with a shitty result.

 

[poker]

I didn't say unreasonable force. They didn't act as cops. They tackled him and then ran off. If they had arrested him and waited for Peel Regional Police to show up I would understand but their actions make them civilians. As a civilian you can't assault someone, period. They weren't trying to detain him and they weren't defending themselves.

Hell, the article even says that they, the off duty cops, ran away when another person approached the scene of the tackle/struggle.

So, to quote you, "I'm not sure I see your logic here."

I get what you are saying. Those are 2 different things to me. The chase and the tackle “may” have been reasonable…. But I will grant you running off, and not reporting was incredibly stupid, and criminal.

 

[poker]

But the chase and tackle would only have a chance at legitimacy and reasonability if they were acting in their capacity as officers of the law. Without that shield, tackling is assault. I'm not sure how you can separate the circumstances as you are trying to do as they stem from the same incident.

Either way, I think we have come to an understanding. Thank you for the discussion points.

That is where we disagree. As a private citizen I can reasonably tackle someone committing a crime.

If a woman is being assaulted, are we supposed to just sit back because putting our hands on the assailant is assault? The original perp has to bare some responsibility.

Again, it may come out these cops were trying to teach this guy a “lesson”… and it went wrong, so they ran. I am not condoning that. I will trust the system to sort the facts.

 

[Ginomore]

That is where we disagree. As a private citizen I can reasonably tackle someone committing a crime.

If a woman is being assaulted, are we supposed to just sit back because putting our hands on the assailant is assault? The original perp has to bare some responsibility.

Again, it may come out these cops were trying to teach this guy a “lesson”… and it went wrong, so they ran. I am not condoning that. I will trust the system to sort the facts.

What if you reasonably tackle someone and it results in their death?

 

[black booty lover]

So, to paraphrase you.

Type A) Law abiding citizens that believe in following the rules

Type B) Vigilantes who take the law into their own hands.

But you forgot:

Type C) People who sit between the lines of Type A and B but believe that cops should be held to account for their actions the same as anyone else.

I refer back to my earlier comments about how any normal person who was found to have done the exact same thing as these cops would be charged with at least assault, more likely assault and manslaughter, with possibly an upgraded assault charge (aggravated or assault cause bodily harm) and would have their day in court to prove that they didn't do anything wrong while these cops get paid to sit at home while things get sorted out. Also, I bet that these cops won't have to pay for their own defense whereas the rest of us would have to pay a fortune in legal fees.

Sure seems fair to me. Now who is living in a fantasy world?

Yeah see here's where your getting delusional. You keep assuming that a "normal person" would be charged with assault and manslaughter, when it this couldn't further from the truth. Just so you know, cops are normal people too, particularly when they're off duty.

 

[poker]

What if you reasonably tackle someone and it results in their death?

Not sure. I would assume every case would be different.

What if people stopped committing crimes?

 

[HungSowel]

It's clear to me that there are two types of people in this thread:

Type A) The type of people living in some fantasy world where they believe any crime that happens to people or themselves, you simply call the police and it will magically get solved. They also the believe that criminals/assholes should be treated with the utmost respect and diplomacy.

Type B) The type of people living in the real world where they understand people have a right to defend themselves against crime, especially since half this shit doesn't get solved. They realize that criminals/assholes committing crimes will eventually bite them in the ass, and get the concept if your going to be a shitty human, your going to end up with a shitty result.

Purchasing sex is a crime. Suppose during an SP visit you encounter police and you get killed, the title in the paper would be "Cop kills multiple time sex offender targetting the black community"

 

[Darts]

Now we know why TTC operators, Beer Store and LCBO staff are instructed not to even attempt to apprehend shoplifters/fare evaders.

 

[black booty lover]

Purchasing sex is a crime. Suppose during an SP visit you encounter police and you get killed, the title in the paper would be "Cop kills multiple time sex offender targetting the black community"

And???

 

[black booty lover]

Are you a cop? How many times have you been stopped and/or charged by the police?

How many cops do you know personally and have spent social time around?

Personally, I've been charged well over 20 times in my life

hahahhahahahahahaha! Now we know why your on the side your on. thanks for coming out! I'm pissing my pants over here! lol!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[black booty lover]

Personally, I've been charged well over 20 times in my life

This was awesome....lol! It's been 18 minutes and I'm still laughing at this...lol. Anything you ad to this thread has zero relevance at this point...lol.

 

[Ghbff]

hahahhahahahahahaha! Now we know why your on the side your on. thanks for coming out! I'm pissing my pants over here! lol!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bro how are you licking those boots so hard with a username like that?

 

[black booty lover]

Bro how are you licking those boots so hard with a username like that?

This post really shows how dumb you are. There's no boot licking going on at all. I don't give a shit if they were cops or Hell's Angels. The point of the post is that calling the cops isn't an option for some people in situations. Dude ripped someone off (in this case it happened to be cops), they chased after him to get their money back, a little struggled ensued and this guys dies hours later without any signs he was beat to death or signs of a serous physical assault.

Is it really that hard to understand for you?

 

[basketcase]

I’m not sure I see your logic here. You are going with unreasonable force…. I actually think it was reasonable. Nobody would expect a person to just get ripped off....

Nobody except the law (and these guys were trained and paid to enforce the law).

 

[basketcase]

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Type B) Vigilantes who take the law into their own hands.
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Or at least talk tough from behind their keyboards.