The court today upheld the new restrictions regarding the SC; no champagne rooms anymore and other delights. Thought I would let you guys know. 
Law for Strip Clubs upheld
- Thread starter FalconHawk
- Start date
The court case was actually yesterday. Apparently the new champagne rules will go into affect at some poinst in the futuer, not immediately. Soon no more touching. I guess the $ 10 dance will be making a comeback. Volume at most Ottawa SC's seem to be down recently so maybe the new laws will be a blessing in disguise?
Does anybody else prefer the $ 10 dances? When I'm in the mood the $ 20's are great but sometimes the 10's are ok and even preferable.
Jack
Does anybody else prefer the $ 10 dances? When I'm in the mood the $ 20's are great but sometimes the 10's are ok and even preferable.
Jack
Miss the old days
Yup...I miss the old days where the ladies did their best to tease the Hell out of you with out you having to touch her.
It was a true woman who could drive a man crazy with dancing alone.
The girls now just sort of move and grind...letting a hand or more wander......where is the tease in that?
It is a true art to tease and torment a man and keep his attention without having to resort to him touching.
I look forward to the return of the true tease.
Besides....the SP's may get an increase in work....lol.
Yup...I miss the old days where the ladies did their best to tease the Hell out of you with out you having to touch her.
It was a true woman who could drive a man crazy with dancing alone.
The girls now just sort of move and grind...letting a hand or more wander......where is the tease in that?
It is a true art to tease and torment a man and keep his attention without having to resort to him touching.
I look forward to the return of the true tease.
Besides....the SP's may get an increase in work....lol.
G
GlavaMan
The city of Ottawa's emergency and protective services has ordered task force to investage the Ottawa area MPs. To Located and catalog all known and unknown MPs. Right now they are going to do spot checks on licencing.GlavaMan said:
The sun said they next year the city may set new restrictions the amount of licences granted for MP's in Ottawa/Vanier. To date the city is aware of 15 rub clubs (MPs)
Here is Ottawa city councils agenda for Aug 25, 2005 where the task force was assigned.
ottawa.ca/calendar/ottawa/citycouncil/epsc/2005/08-25/agendaindex16.htm
G
GlavaMan
Exactly. The way the zealots on both the far left and the religious right try to force their morals on everybody else is sickening. I live outside the citylimits, so I can`t, but hopefully you guys in the city will remember this next year at election time.Mike62 said:
I hear what you`re saying and I agree; I never touched a dancer because I liked the tease part too, and most dancers will tell you honestly that they hate being touched by the guys; it was going to end eventually. The killer is closing the CRs. This is what will cripple the clubs, which was Council`s intention. Even those of us who like clean dances would prefer a little privacy.
Don`t be so sure it`s going back to $10. As much as the girls may be glad that the touching is over; they don`t want their income slashed in half. I heard a rumour (don`t know how accurate it is) they were going to set the new price at $15. Personally, I don`t think it`ll fly. Think about it; $15 for a non-touch, non-private dance, or take a short drive across the river for a $20 private, touch dance. The $5 off won`t be enough to keep the average customer in Ontario.
$10 dances might work Several dancers were able to make a good living on that 6-7 years ago; but it would be a foreign concept to the girls under 25 who don`t remember that time and likely wouldn`t want to try it.
What now? I asked a Bare Fax dancer about the by-law back in June and she matter-of-factly told me once it passed she would quit and go to Pigale, and that many of the other girls had similar plans. If that happens, there may not be enough dancers or customers left to justify the owners keeping the clubs in business. Don`t want to sound pessimistic, but there`s nothing positive about this. Very, very sad.
Yes it will, but ...
I hate the Gatineau clubs. From the ones I`ve visited, they seem to attract the worst type of customers, the guys that actually make you ashamed to be in the same audience with. The Ottawa clubs always had an atmosphere of some class and decorum that the Gatineau ones don`t.
The SCs should`ve had the dancers hand out free crack pipes to the customers. Then Ottawa Council would`ve fully supported them.
Believe it or not…
The story I heard from a couple of dancers is that this whole thing was started by some disgruntled dancers.
True there are those (dancers) that because of the possible income increase like the private booths and $20. dances. There are however those to that want to go back to the $10. touchless tableside dances like it was years ago. They are the ones that went to city hall and complained that they had to allow touching etc when they preferred not to. And that in part is what started the wheels rolling.
The story I heard from a couple of dancers is that this whole thing was started by some disgruntled dancers.
True there are those (dancers) that because of the possible income increase like the private booths and $20. dances. There are however those to that want to go back to the $10. touchless tableside dances like it was years ago. They are the ones that went to city hall and complained that they had to allow touching etc when they preferred not to. And that in part is what started the wheels rolling.
I think that it's a bit premature to say that MP's are going to be "next". For one, the greater city of Ottawa has had plans to harmonize the licensing of businesses and operating standards ever since amalgamation. Yearly licensing fees are actually going to go down by a substantial amount in Vanier, while going up by $200 in the rest of Ottawa.
The standards proposed are already met by most reputable establishments. The only stickler may be those who may be located in a residential area, and not in a business or industrial district. However, I don't think that they would have received their business licenses already if this had been an issue. If there have no complaints before, I can't see why they couldn't fall under a grandfather clause.
Every MPA is going to need a body-rub permit. You will be assured that you are not exploiting a foreign migrant, or interacting with an underage person, and presumably, they will have to show some basic knowledge of hygiene (those standards are already in the bylaw).
The city should have no interest in banning MP's. In Toronto, they stopped issuing MP licenses many years ago after the shoe-shine boy murder. The result was that every new entry called themselves naturopathic health clinics, who have been rather impossible to regulate, including the exploitation of foreign migrants. It also sends everything else underground, and besides being impossible to regulate, exposes citizens to fraud and assault, not to mention public health hazards. I for one, will not patronize an unlicensed establishment.... unless there is no other choice.
Just my to cents.
Wilbur
The standards proposed are already met by most reputable establishments. The only stickler may be those who may be located in a residential area, and not in a business or industrial district. However, I don't think that they would have received their business licenses already if this had been an issue. If there have no complaints before, I can't see why they couldn't fall under a grandfather clause.
Every MPA is going to need a body-rub permit. You will be assured that you are not exploiting a foreign migrant, or interacting with an underage person, and presumably, they will have to show some basic knowledge of hygiene (those standards are already in the bylaw).
The city should have no interest in banning MP's. In Toronto, they stopped issuing MP licenses many years ago after the shoe-shine boy murder. The result was that every new entry called themselves naturopathic health clinics, who have been rather impossible to regulate, including the exploitation of foreign migrants. It also sends everything else underground, and besides being impossible to regulate, exposes citizens to fraud and assault, not to mention public health hazards. I for one, will not patronize an unlicensed establishment.... unless there is no other choice.
Just my to cents.
Wilbur
Not so fast
Basically, the Gov of Ontario suggested to the Gov of Quebec that there would be a stampede of dancers to Quebec, and that things would start to move toward all clubs being like the ones outside of Mtl, plus new clubs would spring up.
So Quebec may do something as well.
On the subject of $10 dances, right now some clubs are either so dead, or biz is so up and down that a lot of girls will have more steady income if it goes back to tens. The club queens, used to their $800 a night or more, will try to move over to Quebec but Pigale can't take them all and they may find Club 77 and that dive on Greber across from Piggies not to their liking....
I hate to break bad news, but Ontario has already asked Quebec to clamp down on SCs as well, at least those within a certain distance of the Ontario border. The buzz is, or was a few months ago, that if the Ottawa SC bylaw went through, then other Ontario cities would copycat it.GlavaMan said:
Basically, the Gov of Ontario suggested to the Gov of Quebec that there would be a stampede of dancers to Quebec, and that things would start to move toward all clubs being like the ones outside of Mtl, plus new clubs would spring up.
So Quebec may do something as well.
On the subject of $10 dances, right now some clubs are either so dead, or biz is so up and down that a lot of girls will have more steady income if it goes back to tens. The club queens, used to their $800 a night or more, will try to move over to Quebec but Pigale can't take them all and they may find Club 77 and that dive on Greber across from Piggies not to their liking....
There was an article in the Citizen yesterday where the owner at Barbarellas said he would continue to appeal and fight the by-law. Don`t your hopes up. That`s what everyone said about the smoking ban in 2001, and we know what happened there.
A couple of dancers I spoke with yesterday in seperate conversations both confirmed that $15 is the plan, but getting everyone on the same page for that will be a huge challenge.
A couple of dancers I spoke with yesterday in seperate conversations both confirmed that $15 is the plan, but getting everyone on the same page for that will be a huge challenge.
G
GlavaMan
Who would give away a cash cow like that? A politician trying to make a name for themselves. After Ottawa banned smoking in bars, the Gatineau bars picked up a lot of business. But Gatineau started talking about a similar ruling after that. They`ll do what makes them look good in the papers, not what`s best for their businesses. Quebec may be a little more open-minded, but not necessarily smarter.JPsoHot said:
IIRC, the councillors who pushed hardest for this were Legendre, Brooks and Harder. The others like Chiarelli and Hunter were guilty of not speaking out against it. Of course if they did, there`d be a headline in the newspaper the next day about how they`re supporting strip clubs. Political suicide.
This is nothing new. Don`t want to date myself, but in the early 90s the old Fannys on Bank St. along with a couple of other clubs were closed due to a crusade by one female councillor who was outraged they were in residential neighbourhoods (Bank St.????). A few years later when Claudette Cain ran for mayor, she vowed to limit the number of SCs in Ottawa to just one (thank God she didn`t win.) I guess these ladies warped idea of feminism is them dictating to women where they are and aren`t allowed to work. When that clique gets together with the religious bible-thumpers, it`s an unholy alliance that`s very difficult to stop.
That`s not entirely true. They did raise taxes and hand out crack pipes to addicts.
Think about it! It's very dangerous getting a lap dance! Imagine all the disease someone could catch! Not even talking about all the emotional impacts here... Huuu!!!
Better smoke crack in a city-provided pipe. Now that's safe and have no emotional impact whatsoever....
The non-smoking bylaw is based on real facts:
There's no point for the lap dance issue to cross to Quebec as I don't think it could fly here. True the smoking ban will be in effect in Quebec soon but itat will be based on a provincial law, not bylaw, and it will be based in facts, not beliefs or people's opinion of what's right.
Better smoke crack in a city-provided pipe. Now that's safe and have no emotional impact whatsoever....
The non-smoking bylaw is based on real facts:
- Smoking is dangerous for the smoker and is even more dangerous to the non-smoker sitting beside a smoker.
Since smoke know no boundaries, non-smoking/smoking section are useless, unless separated by walls and independently ventilated.
Since the employees need to attend to the smokers as well as to the non-smokers, they are exposed to smoke no matter what, no matter if they agree or not. Anybody remember that old lady who died lately after working 40+ years in smoke-fill environment? She died of a "smoker cancer" even if she never smoked!
No matter if smoking is a personal decision or not, the option of paying for the healthcare costs of taking care of a cancer-ravaged smoker or not is not a personal decision left to the society we live in so, if we can stop smokers to smoke a few, we all end-up saving on the long term.
There's no point for the lap dance issue to cross to Quebec as I don't think it could fly here. True the smoking ban will be in effect in Quebec soon but itat will be based on a provincial law, not bylaw, and it will be based in facts, not beliefs or people's opinion of what's right.
G
GlavaMan
Then the are the city councillor's who tell the Renegades how to run their promotions even when Lansdowne Park is no where near their riding!
I don't think even $10 dances will work. For example, when I am in Montreal I can get table dances at some places for $5 but I don't see anyone getting them. Everyone goes for the $10 contact dance. Let's face it, one of two things will happen i) Ottawa SCs will put up with this nonsense for a year or so and then it'll be back to contact dances even though a by-law is technically being broken (this is sort of the situation in downtown TO right now); or ii) Gatineau will be where everyone goes (sort of like the Windsor-Detroit situation).ottawasub said:
