Laying Bare the Zionist Myth of Forced Exile

[scouser1]

Islamic teachings include murdering anyone who leaves the faith, beating women who expose any skin in public, and if you die while killing non-muslims you get 72 virgins. To quote Bill Maher "promising pussy in the afterlife is the lowest thing I've ever heard in my entire life."

oh great scholar on Islam please enlighten as to where exactly the Quran tells Muslims to kill anyone except in self defence, beat women who expose skin and my personal favorite the 72 virgins claim!!! I am all ready to be educated

ok end of sarcasim, what you just described were Wahhabist/Salafist teachings, who just like Zionism is a plague on Judaism is a plague on Islam, it is one single interpertation and strand, although very powerful yes because of Saudi money and the misuse of the suffering of people by the likes of Al Qaeda and the Taliban.

 

[gramage]

Right if I'm making it sound like I think every muslim believes that my bad for being to general. I get that there is a lot of variation within beliefs. But I do recall Afghanistan still considers conversion away from Islam a capital crime and I don't believe they are Wahhabi.

 

[gryfin]

Maybe I don't know enough about these schools, but I think the misstreatment or Arabs within Israel and in Palestine is more due to the bloodshed that has occured over the last several decades. You don't need a school to teach that hate when you've got parents who lost friends and saw busstops blown up by suicide bombers.

It's clear that you need to learn more about these schools and the fact the Israeli government finances them. But the education in zionism goes on all over the world, including synagogues where people should be worshiping god, not learning a fanatical ideology and worshiping another country.

As for your empathy for those killed at bus stops I can only groan. What a selective empathy and reasoning you proffer. You can't possibly understand that you don't need a school to teach hate when your people have been stampeded from their homes because of their religion/ethnicity, not allowed to return home because of their religion/ethnicity, and forced to live in squalor in refugee camps for decades. And while you are living in those camps, the people who kicked you out beat you, humiliate you and your family, kill you, and imprison you. Then they take your land again and drop these paramilitaries called Settlers in to terrorize one more time

 

[scouser1]

Right if I'm making it sound like I think every muslim believes that my bad for being to general. I get that there is a lot of variation within beliefs. But I do recall Afghanistan still considers conversion away from Islam a capital crime and I don't believe they are Wahhabi.

They are heavily financed and influenced by Saudi Arabia so that would make them Wahabbi even without the official title. This is the problem Saudi Arabia is the richest Muslim country therefore their brand gets exported to other parts of the world, its not the enlightened version of Islam such as the AKP in Turkey which is trying to get into the EU but a backward, bigoted, misogynistic that thrives on the suffering of the downtrodden like the Palestinians.

 

[gramage]

Believe it or not gryfin I have a bit better of an understanding of those camps then you think. I've worked with people who have been to them in Africa and I have family who have worked in most of the worst spots the world has to offer, so I've been given a good understanding of that world. If you think I support Israel your also wrong, I think there responses to threats an attack are so consistently disproportionate it is shamful and assures that peace will never come as they keep creating generation after generation of people with a reason to hate. The difference is the posters here that arepro-Israel are willing to accept that they make mistakes. You and a few of the other pro-Palestinian posters seem unable or unwilling to do the same, and as a result I spend more time attacking that stubborness.

 

[gramage]

They are heavily financed and influenced by Saudi Arabia so that would make them Wahabbi even without the official title. This is the problem Saudi Arabia is the richest Muslim country therefore their brand gets exported to other parts of the world, its not the enlightened version of Islam such as the AKP in Turkey which is trying to get into the EU but a backward, bigoted, misogynistic that thrives on the suffering of the downtrodden like the Palestinians.

Hey the more we can export Turkish ideology the better. I used to work with a whole bunch of them and while occasionally sexist the guys were hilarious and the women were HOT!

 

[Inferno]

So, gryfin, do I get a response to my question?

"HOW WOULD THE MUSLIM WORLD REACT IF A MUSLIM SCHOLAR LAID BARE THE ISLAMIC MYTH OF MUHAMMAD'S 'PROPHECIES'?"

I'm waiting to be enlightened...

 

[gryfin]

I'm waiting to be enlightened...

I think we are all waiting for you to become enlightened.

 

[gramage]

So, gryfin, do I get a response to my question?

"HOW WOULD THE MUSLIM WORLD REACT IF A MUSLIM SCHOLAR LAID BARE THE ISLAMIC MYTH OF MUHAMMAD'S 'PROPHECIES'?"

I'm waiting to be enlightened...

I doubt they'd treat it much more harshly then a cartoon.

 

[kupall]

I think we are all waiting for you to become enlightened.[/QUOTE
sheesh he needs to be enlightened to answer that?
i'm not even a muslim or even an enlightened christian and i can answer that...

he would most probably be blown to bits by his peers

 

[The Houdini]

It's clear that you need to learn more about these schools and the fact the Israeli government finances them. But the education in zionism goes on all over the world, including synagogues where people should be worshiping god, not learning a fanatical ideology and worshiping another country.

As for your empathy for those killed at bus stops I can only groan. What a selective empathy and reasoning you proffer. You can't possibly understand that you don't need a school to teach hate when your people have been stampeded from their homes because of their religion/ethnicity, not allowed to return home because of their religion/ethnicity, and forced to live in squalor in refugee camps for decades. And while you are living in those camps, the people who kicked you out beat you, humiliate you and your family, kill you, and imprison you. Then they take your land again and drop these paramilitaries called Settlers in to terrorize one more time

Oh, And Jews haven't suffered this way for hundreds of years. The difference is that Jews have never strapped bombs to themdelves to blow up innocent civilians. NEVER EVER.

See the difference between the two cultures.

 

[landscaper]

Right if I'm making it sound like I think every muslim believes that my bad for being to general. I get that there is a lot of variation within beliefs. But I do recall Afghanistan still considers conversion away from Islam a capital crime and I don't believe they are Wahhabi.

The mullahs in Afghanistan did indeed consider it a capital crime but the law they prosecuted it with was secular.

I can not actually recall any passage of teh Koran that considers conversion away from Islam a crime but I would have to look. The consept in and of itself is not just islam the christioan church also considers it a bad thing, although I don't think amy mainstream sects activley prosecute it these days.

 

[Inferno]

I think we are all waiting for you to become enlightened.

More obfuscation. Answer the question or get lost.

 

[gryfin]

Oh, And Jews haven't suffered this way for hundreds of years. The difference is that Jews have never strapped bombs to themdelves to blow up innocent civilians. NEVER EVER.

See the difference between the two cultures.

No, they just blow up thousands more innocent civilians from F-16's or from artillery.

You see the difference?

 

[landscaper]

No, they just blow up thousands more innocent civilians from F-16's or from artillery.

You see the difference?

Yes actually most of the civilized wprld sees the difference why can't you

 

[gryfin]

Yes actually most of the civilized wprld sees the difference why can't you

That's where you are wrong again. Most of the world sees it as I do. That's why only the US and Micronesia ever vote in favor of Israel at the UN.

 

[fuji]

More obfuscation. Answer the question or get lost.

Dude, he won't even answer whether or not he supports the killing of Israeli civilians. I started a whole thread on that question, and asked him in dozens of threads--he refuses to answer.

The only logical reason why is that he does indeed support the killing of civilians. The guy is essentially the resident Hamas propaganda mouthpiece.

 

[Aardvark154]

A brief excerpt from the "When and How Was the Jewish People Invented?" by Shlomo Sand from Tel Aviv University.http://mondediplo.com/2008/09/07israel

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/966952.html

The problem with this argument, which is a variation on the Khazar theme, is that it utterly ignores the DNA typing research done over the past five years. This unfortunately for him is similar to ignoring the need for wings on an aircraft.

When DNA typing associated with the male Y chromosome shows that Kohen are all descended from a common ancestor thousands of years ago (supprisingly enough around the time of Aaron). It does seem to put it mildly peculiar that all other Jews are supposedly according to the professor the descendants of converts.

 

[Inferno]

Dude, he won't even answer whether or not he supports the killing of Israeli civilians. I started a whole thread on that question, and asked him in dozens of threads--he refuses to answer.

The only logical reason why is that he does indeed support the killing of civilians. The guy is essentially the resident Hamas propaganda mouthpiece.

Then why do we even bother debating him? Isn't it a bit like bashing your head against a brick wall??

 

[landscaper]

Then why do we even bother debating him? Isn't it a bit like bashing your head against a brick wall??

Yes it is indeed the problem is that if we let him get away with this shit it could cause other problems.