Liberals lied on the carbon tax, according to Statistics Canada data

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

You must be pretending to be stupid because it appears that you believe the cost of most things has not gone up since the Liberals introduced the carbon tax 6 years ago.

I asked, what was the impact?
I did not say there was no impact at all.
I asked what specific number?
For example, did you spend 200 dollars on groceries before carbon tax and 250 the next month with the carbon tax?
What was the actual impact to you?
None of you "axe the tax" aficionados have been able to articulate this little detail.
You keep repeating slogans and talking points.
Canadians saw through this and this is why your leader got the shellacking that he did.

 

[nottyboi]

One question, Mr. Logic, but this name will be changed to Monsieur Délirant if and when you answer it incorrectly.

Since the carbon tax was removed, has there been deflation on food(groceries/restaurants), in air travel, in ALL products you buy, from toilet paper, shaving gel, soap(laundry and body wash)?

<-------- Squeezie's biggest fan!!

Maybe he will buy a blowup doll since its got no carbpn tax

Well I never saved my receipts. But the only thing that has gone down in price is gas, nothing else.
I went grocery shopping yesterday and prices are still the same.
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$560 is a joke! I paid more than more than that with the NG coming into my house and to top it off, I go the pleasure of being taxed on that BS too. Add in what I paid at the pumps, taxed again after they add it to your bill and the cost of goods that have been passed onto me from retailers, once again, taxed with the GST and Canadians are getting fucked with an absolute scam.

Tell me why we sell so much coal to China, that puts out in two weeks, more than Canada puts out in a year in carbon emissions?

Carney is a charlatan and it's amazing that they can sell a lie to people, gaslighting them into thinking that if they don't do it, they're against the environment. Even a minimal amount of research should make one scratch their head and think something just doesn't add up. The Green Slush fund scandal should have made even the most devout liberal think twice about this and the fact that we are being taxed, with no measurable impact to the environment, while the environment minister, Guilbeault and his company and those affiliated, have seen their fortunes rise.

As the saying goes, "The math ain't mathin!"

On a percapita basis we put out far more CO2 then the Chinese, and you are the poster child for that fact. So the carbon tax is $152 per 1000 cubic meters, So you are telling me you used more then 3680 cubic meters of gas? So you must have a massive house or outdoor heated pool, or you are clueless.

 

[anon1]

Liberal lies? Say it isn't so.

It's not a lie, it's a Trumpism.
Righties should love them.

 

[nottyboi]

I asked, what was the impact?
I did not say there was no impact at all.
I asked what specific number?
For example, did you spend 200 dollars on groceries before carbon tax and 250 the next month with the carbon tax?
What was the actual impact to you?
None of you "axe the tax" aficionados have been able to articulate this little detail.
You keep repeating slogans and talking points.
Canadians saw through this and this is why your leader got the shellacking that he did.

4 legs good 2 legs bad,
Axe the Tax baaaaa

 

[boobtoucher]

these are totals but it seems pretty impotent as an emission strategy View attachment 441699

In isolation, sure. Since 1998 Population has gone up 30% while emissions have reduced. So, cutting 1/3rd per capita is pretty o.k

 

[Skoob]

these are totals but it seems pretty impotent as an emission strategy View attachment 441699

But what if we paid even more carbon tax...wouldn't that offset all the cow farts pushing us towards extinction?

 

[Skoob]

I got $1,200 a year that I'm not getting now.

Carbon emissions per capita have fallen

Until Uncle Doug cancelled the cap and trade system, it put tonnes of money into public services.

You were getting $1200 a year back that you paid for no reason...and you paid way more than that due to the impact of the carbon tax on everything.

Carbon emissions per capita have fallen because of the out of control immigration and these people not owning any vehicles, etc. Per capita is a misleading stat in this respect.

When you look at overall emissions you can see that the carbon tax did nothing except compound the unaffordability crisis. The pandemic did more for emissions than anything else.

https://www.canada.ca/en/environmen...ntal-indicators/greenhouse-gas-emissions.html

 

[Butler1000]

I never claimed that Democrats had any control over the internal affairs of countries like Russia, China, or Japan, aside from the likelihood that a Democratic administration would have pursued more coordinated and robust sanctions, particularly in response to Russian aggression.

What’s truly driving instability, both at home and abroad, is the reckless approach of attacking long-standing allies, imposing broad and ill-conceived tariffs, and undermining diplomatic norms. Publicly insulting political leaders from the Oval Office, lying to the American people, and slashing vital programs that support the most vulnerable, while enriching oneself, wealthy donors, and close associates, isn’t leadership. It’s a blueprint for national decline.

I agreed with you Trump is making it worse faster. That is clear.

But in no way would the Democratic Party have made it better or stopped what is coming. They have been in power for 12 of the 16 previous years to this second term. Some accountability lies at their feet.

 

[Skoob]

I asked, what was the impact?
I did not say there was no impact at all.
I asked what specific number?
For example, did you spend 200 dollars on groceries before carbon tax and 250 the next month with the carbon tax?
What was the actual impact to you?
None of you "axe the tax" aficionados have been able to articulate this little detail.
You keep repeating slogans and talking points.
Canadians saw through this and this is why your leader got the shellacking that he did.

What part of "more than the rate of inflation" did you not understand? Depending on the product it could have been significantly more.

You think I'm going to go add up all my receipts for you?

The Liberals maintained this tax until they feared losing the election and then scrapped it. Scrapping the tax was a Conservative policy for several years.

Stop trolling with your alternate reality that no one believes. you are making a fool of yourself and you still owe me an apology.

 

[Skoob]

I agreed with you Trump is making it worse faster. That is clear.

But in no way would the Democratic Party have made it better or stopped what is coming. They have been in power for 12 of the 16 previous years to this second term. Some accountability lies at their feet.

Agreed...and Trump isn't responsible for the mess in Canada created by the Liberals over the past decade. However, Trump is the perfect distraction for that when Liberals look to shift blame.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

What part of "more than the rate of inflation" did you not understand? Depending on the product it could have been significantly more.

The carbon tax is a component of the rate of inflation.
So how can it be more than the rate of inflation?
For someone harping on about the carbon tax you should be able to minimally quantify it, but it seems you cannot and are just repeating Pierre's outdated slogans.

 

[Butler1000]

Agreed...and Trump isn't responsible for the mess in Canada created by the Liberals over the past decade. However, Trump is the perfect distraction for that when Liberals look to shift blame.

By the same token he will be partially responsible for a worsening situation due to Tariffs. Which going to affect us not just on bilateral issues but create world instability with consequences we will have to work around and address.

I will add on a personal level his border policies are affecting many of us on a real level. Families are now in a similar situation as covid where barriers exist to travel.

The difference in governments at this point is I believe now that Carnety is in, while I may not agree with every policy he is going to attempt to improve things or at least hold the status quo. Trump is hellbound on fucking up the world. Just to improve rich American taxpayers bank accounts. Carney is a private equity guy so I remain suspicious to how he will legislate certain things and dole out contracts. But these are probably small things on the budget line. Overall monetary and tax policy in Canada will be OK. He has indicated an openness to seeking out better trade deals in other markets and facilitating infrastructure to accommodate it.

Basically he may well be the "little Grey man" that so many PM's(Really if you look at Canada's leaders, besides both Trudeaus, that is the general way we want them to be) are and achieve the nominal success and mitigated problem solving that defines Canadian governance.

I think his demeanor and known quality status on the international stage can't hurt. We shall see how he handles thing on our home turf in Banff. Trump is coming in spoiling for a fight and headlines imo. I can't help himself.

 

[Butler1000]

The carbon tax is a component of the rate of inflation.
So how can it be more than the rate of inflation?
For someone harping on about the carbon tax you should be able to minimally quantify it, but it seems you cannot and are just repeating Pierre's outdated slogans.

It's cancelation has in essence proved it's uselessness. That is the point. It created an unnecessary govt process of a tiny amount of wealth redistribution at best and to somewhat appease foreign(European) trade partners where carve outs in trade agreements could have sufficed. Now due to Trump we can do that instead and do what we do best, which is export our vast resources.

At worst it did increase business costs passed on to consumers, and also allowed businesses to inflate pricing and blame the tax. I consider it a failed policy. And Trudeau is completely responsible for it.

 

[Butler1000]

In isolation, sure. Since 1998 Population has gone up 30% while emissions have reduced. So, cutting 1/3rd per capita is pretty o.k

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I think this is due mostly to Canadians voluntarily doing this with electric car buying, use of the gig economy, working from home(big one imo) increased use of some transit, covid, and declining purchasing power affecting habits.

The actual tax was not a game changer, in anyway. Just a useless govt process that could have been done better via tax incentives to businesses to green up, grants to get the Ring of Fire up to get electric vehicle building started for ten years down the line(which would be now) that would have created new higher paying jobs in the long run.

The carbon tax just shuffled money around.

 

[Skoob]

The carbon tax is a component of the rate of inflation.
So how can it be more than the rate of inflation?
For someone harping on about the carbon tax you should be able to minimally quantify it, but it seems you cannot and are just repeating Pierre's outdated slogans.

No silly. I know English and math aren't your areas of expertise so I'll try and keep it simple so that you don't have to sign up for some government-funded training courses to keep you from looking foolish again.

The rate of inflation fluctuates. However the carbon tax price per ton has constantly gone up at a fixed rate since 2019.
It did not increase or decrease with inflation. It was constant.
In 2022, the inflation was at 6%+ and due to the constant increase of the carbon tax, most items that relied on fossil fuels increased significantly more than 6%.
So for example, lumber. As of 2019 it increased significantly. A 2x4 stud in 2018 was less than $2. The price is now double that. That is a 50% increase.

You have yet to provide any info of substance and are just trolling. I've proved enough and you have proved nothing.

You still owe me an apology.

 

[Skoob]

By the same token he will be partially responsible for a worsening situation due to Tariffs. Which going to affect us not just on bilateral issues but create world instability with consequences we will have to work around and address.

I will add on a personal level his border policies are affecting many of us on a real level. Families are now in a similar situation as covid where barriers exist to travel.

The difference in governments at this point is I believe now that Carnety is in, while I may not agree with every policy he is going to attempt to improve things or at least hold the status quo. Trump is hellbound on fucking up the world. Just to improve rich American taxpayers bank accounts. Carney is a private equity guy so I remain suspicious to how he will legislate certain things and dole out contracts. But these are probably small things on the budget line. Overall monetary and tax policy in Canada will be OK. He has indicated an openness to seeking out better trade deals in other markets and facilitating infrastructure to accommodate it.

Basically he may well be the "little Grey man" that so many PM's(Really if you look at Canada's leaders, besides both Trudeaus, that is the general way we want them to be) are and achieve the nominal success and mitigated problem solving that defines Canadian governance.

I think his demeanor and known quality status on the international stage can't hurt. We shall see how he handles thing on our home turf in Banff. Trump is coming in spoiling for a fight and headlines imo. I can't help himself.

Trump got his guy in Carney. Carney will play ball and already dropped the retaliatory tariffs and has no immediate plans to release a budget.
Canadians have been played by being distracted by Trump while the Liberal party pulled a fast one and cashed in on the fear mongering campaign tactics.

Carney will do what Trump wants him to do. That was the plan. In 4 years, both will be riding into the sunset and celebrating.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

A 2x4 stud in 2018 was less than $2. The price is now double that. That is a 50% increase.

You talk about math, while failing at math. A price that doubles, is a 100% increase. Not 50%. lmfao.
You fail at math and you are now claiming that this supposed increase is solely due to the carbon tax.
Based on what analysis or fact?
This is what happens when all you have are slogans.
You still cannot quantify anything and are grasping at straws.
You owe everyone an apology for torturing them with your mental gymnastics. lmfao.

 

[Butler1000]

Trump got his guy in Carney. Carney will play ball and already dropped the retaliatory tariffs and has no immediate plans to release a budget.
Canadians have been played by being distracted by Trump while the Liberal party pulled a fast one and cashed in on the fear mongering campaign tactics.

Carney will do what Trump wants him to do. That was the plan. In 4 years, both will be riding into the sunset and celebrating.

Retaliatory tariffs only hurt Canadian consumers. A better choice is to add surcharges to energy, fertilizer as things the Yanks have no choice but to buy. We are already changing our buying habits voluntarily through a grassroots boycott. But for a struggling family I would not place the onus on them to pay more if possible.

Tariffs are just another tax. We just got rid of the Carbon Tax, and Ford some of the gas tax. Why would you advocate for the Govt to add another one on on the cusp of a real recession?

 

[JohnLarue]

Retaliatory tariffs only hurt Canadian consumers. A better choice is to add surcharges to energy, fertilizer as things the Yanks have no choice but to buy. We are already changing our buying habits voluntarily through a grassroots boycott. But for a struggling family I would not place the onus on them to pay more if possible.

Tariffs are just another tax. We just got rid of the Carbon Tax, and Ford some of the gas tax. Why would you advocate for the Govt to add another one on on the cusp of a real recession?

the argument for retaliatory tariffs cuts both ways, yes they would hurt us exports to Canada and yes it is a tax on hard pressed Canadians
the point wrt Carney is he completely misrepresented himself as the financial guru to stand up to Trump
his campaign platform does not match his actions
why millions of the voting electorate did not see that coming is perplexing

re surcharges on exports will hurt demand and Trump will just apply retaliatory surcharges on things the Canadians have no choice but to buy.
surcharges on oil / gas energy would also accelerate the Alberta separatist movement

the best option is to work towards eliminating all Tariffs

 

[Skoob]

You talk about math, while failing at math. A price that doubles, is a 100% increase. Not 50%. lmfao.
You fail at math and you are now claiming that this supposed increase is solely due to the carbon tax.
Based on what analysis or fact?
This is what happens when all you have are slogans.
You still cannot quantify anything and are grasping at straws.
You owe everyone an apology for torturing them with your mental gymnastics. lmfao.

No silly...what's 50% of $4?

Aside from that now you are just tap dancing because all you have been doing is asking for examples and now that I provided some you are trying to distract.

Give it up.
You lost this one. If all you have left is hoping to find some grammar mistakes then that's proof you have nothing.

All you need to do now is apologize for calling me a liar.