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[WoodPeckr]

Picky, picky, picky.....

Really.... works on every piece of hardware? straight of the box?

LOL.....keep trying/digging ch....:biggrin1:

Of course not but a lot better today than in the recent past!

Lets just say Linux runs better today on a PC or a Mac than OS X runs on a PC!....:eyebrows:
You can take your pricey Apple 'proprietary BS' and stick it where the sun don't shine......

Besides it's great to be M$ & Apple FREE and NOT a slave to them picking your pockets on an ongoing basis, don't you think?.....:thumb:

 

[WoodPeckr]

You are supposed to give something back to the community, either time or money to the project.

Been there, done that with pleasure!....:thumb:

That said, it is GREAT to be M$ & Apple FREE!.....

 

[The Options Menu]

Your befuddled again.....:biggrin1:
Linux makes NO hardware, you simply get Linux for FREE then install it on your existing PC or Mac.
Hope that eases your befuddlement....:wink:

Though there is a big Open Hardware / 3D Printing movement now. The cost of physical material and fabrication is non-zero, but the cost of bandwidth (to get free and open source software) is also non-zero. Bandwidth just happens to be closer to zero cost, and many parts software development are easier than electrical engineering and industrial design.

 

[danibbler]

Frankly, I think you're lying. If you did give money then you would not be harping on "free" all the time.

Been there, done that with pleasure!....:thumb:

That said, it is GREAT to be M$ & Apple FREE!.....

 

[WoodPeckr]

LMAO!!!
Keep deluding nibs....makes you look like an even bigger Apple chump!.....

 

[The Options Menu]

Frankly, I think you're lying. If you did give money then you would not be harping on "free" all the time.

There is:
-Free as in freedom
-Free as in 'free beer'

Most Linux distros are nominally both to end users. That doesn't mean that people don't pay (for software, services, and support), get paid, or otherwise give back. 'Free' just happens to be a good selling point. I've greatly taken advantage of 'the free' in both senses of the word, given, and gotten paid. There is no reason to think that WoodPeckr hasn't given back at either the distro or the individual project level, just because he rather likes the fact that his OS is nominally free.

The distros and individual software projects that are successful tend to be the ones that make it dead easy to give back. Ubuntu, and its default software, are good examples of that...

 

[WoodPeckr]

Well said but I have a feeling it will still fly over the head of that poor Applejack salesman nibs....

They think kinda 'funny' in the iCult!.....:Eek:

 

[danibbler]

There is no reason to think that WoodPeckr hasn't given back at either the distro or the individual project level, just because he rather likes the fact that his OS is nominally free.

I understand the distinction quite well but I strongly doubt that WP understands. In fact, he still thinks I am some sort of Apple salesman when in fact I used to import into Canada many of the early Linux distros.

The guy is a leech, plain and simple.

EDit: Hey, WP, why don't you show us a couple of scanned receipts of Linux software that you actually purchased in the past five years or so?

 

[danibbler]

I realize that WP might be hesitant to divulge personal/private info on this board so he can send me those scans to my hotmail account with the same Terb nick. ie. danibbler @ hotmail dot com.

I know you're on here WP!!! Don't take too long to reply or we may get suspicious!!!

 

[WoodPeckr]

I understand the distinction quite well but I strongly doubt that WP understands. In fact, he still thinks I am some sort of Apple salesman when in fact I used to import into Canada many of the early Linux distros.

The guy is a leech, plain and simple.

EDit: Hey, WP, why don't you show us a couple of scanned receipts of Linux software that you actually purchased in the past five years or so?

Your a MORON!
Linux software I use is FREE!
FWIW there is MORE FREE Linux software than M$ & Apple combined!

You really are a clueless rube nibs....so keep digging rube!.....

 

[The Options Menu]

I realize that WP might be hesitant to divulge personal/private info on this board so he can send me those scans to my hotmail account with the same Terb nick. ie. danibbler @ hotmail dot com.

I know you're on here WP!!! Don't take too long to reply or we may get suspicious!!!

I once flubbed macro, and microeconomics in a post, was subsequently called a moron, and equally flippantly said my I have a economics background, and was subsequently challenged to prove my credentials over a bunch of flaming posts. As a matter of rhetoric that's just plain bad...

Also, how does one go about being an early importer of Linux? I'm of the early Slackware era, and predate .deb and .rpm. Even then, I can recall downloading floppies (and compiling everything else I needed), and I can recall buying Slackware at Staples or Business Depot. This would have been the Slackware 3 era, of 1995 or so, and mostly because it was on CDROM and would have been 70+ floppies on dial-up (which is tedious even by my reckoning). The internet built free software, be it the Linux kernel, the GNU compiler or userspace, or the BSD analogs, and free software built the internet right back. (CS types would have access to proprietary UNIXs or BSD via telnet, terminals, or a CDE desktop. A lot of the motivation and inspiration for early free software was from sitting in front of those systems. At the time, these were also the only systems that were easily certified for server room environments.) The need, or desirability, of 'importing' such, without the presence of the internet is completely mind boggling to me. Or, if not that, the presence of a network of such a scale, that even if it wasn't on the internet, access to the internet would be a given (and probably on a fat pipe at that). There is no real desktop use case there, and by the time there was a desktop use case high speed internet was widely available. Can you explain?

edit: And note, I don't want to see your credentials or your tax returns, all I want is the broad strokes of 'how?'.

 

[danibbler]

So, in other words. just a leech.

Why don't you read Post #20 on this thread again.

Your a MORON!
Linux software I use is FREE!
FWIW there is MORE FREE Linux software than M$ & Apple combined!

You really are a clueless rube nibs....so keep digging rube!.....

 

[danibbler]

Also, how does one go about being an early importer of Linux? I'm of the early Slackware era, and predate .deb and .rpm. Even then, I can recall downloading floppies (and compiling everything else I needed), and I can recall buying Slackware at Staples or Business Depot.

What? How do you think Staples and BD got their stuff? They make it in the backroom? The CDs had to be imported into Canada, either from their respective distributors in the US or from Europe directly.

This would have been the Slackware 3 era, of 1995 or so, and mostly because it was on CDROM and would have been 70+ floppies on dial-up (which is tedious even by my reckoning).

Yeah, I brought stuff in starting from the mid-90s.

There is no real desktop use case there, and by the time there was a desktop use case high speed internet was widely available. Can you explain?

Don't ask me what my clients wanted those RH and SUSE distros for at the time, I just know that they wanted them in large quantities and they were lining up whenever a new release was available.

 

[danibbler]

Actually, I have used Linux before, my last install was Ubuntu.

And you're forgiven for your ignorance.

Danniboy have you even used linux?

Imported the linux distros? WHAT crack did you smoke when you posted this?



I have to agree with WP.

 

[danibbler]

To give a short history lesson to the youngsters here. Linux distros started showing up on the TO computing scene from at least the early '90s. You got stuff from SUSE, Mandrake (?), RH and so on. I think it was SUSE who had the cute little green gecko on their white boxes. Other OSes were also available such as BeOS and so on.

Most of these were burned onto CDs or DVDs and included tons of other software so you ended up with sometimes 6 or more CDs in a case. Now, high-speed Internet service was not available in TO until 1999 or so and in limited locations. So, how were you to get your OS fix?

Well, unless you knew a gearhead with access to a fat pipe at work the obvious answer was from retailers who got it through Canadian or international distributors. That's where yours truly came in.

Of course, with every broadband install from the likes of Bell and Rogers my market shrank and I got out of that in the 2000's.

 

[WoodPeckr]

So, in other words. just a leech.

Why don't you read Post #20 on this thread again.

Now your just being an ignorant troll.
Read that post and replied to it!


And you're forgiven for your ignorance.....

 

[The Options Menu]

To give a short history lesson to the youngsters here. Linux distros started showing up on the TO computing scene from at least the early '90s. You got stuff from SUSE, Mandrake (?), RH and so on. I think it was SUSE who had the cute little green gecko on their white boxes. Other OSes were also available such as BeOS and so on.

Most of these were burned onto CDs or DVDs and included tons of other software so you ended up with sometimes 6 or more CDs in a case. Now, high-speed Internet service was not available in TO until 1999 or so and in limited locations. So, how were you to get your OS fix?

Well, unless you knew a gearhead with access to a fat pipe at work the obvious answer was from retailers who got it through Canadian or international distributors. That's where yours truly came in.

Of course, with every broadband install from the likes of Bell and Rogers my market shrank and I got out of that in the 2000's.

The first formal distros as people would recognize date to '93, finding them in boxes in CD cases would be exceedingly rare prior to '96. But close enough. There was that window where there was a viable 'buy Linux in a box' period. Yes. That doesn't stop me from having serious misgivings that you were the middle man (or that there were that many singular middle men in the first place). Especially when the people who made the call on what gets shelf space could order these things directly (and probably do as well as a bulk importer if they had any scale at all). LOL, but the is an anonymous adult forum and I'm willing to skip the slap fight over the issue, take your word for it, and call it a day...

 

[danibbler]

You were asked to prove it and you didn't.

Now your just being an ignorant troll.
Read that post and replied to it!

 

[danibbler]

TOM, the very fact that I can talk about that time period (window is a good term) shows that I am not just blowing hot air on here like some people are. When you talk about the people who made the call on what gets shelf space you're talking about Staples and BD - that's right. But you're also forgetting about a lot of other places where the decision is made a lot closer to the ground.

P.S. I won't make claim to bringing in the European Linux mags with the distros taped on the front cover - that's someone else's area.

The first formal distros as people would recognize date to '93, finding them in boxes in CD cases would be exceedingly rare prior to '96. But close enough. There was that window where there was a viable 'buy Linux in a box' period. Yes. That doesn't stop me from having serious misgivings that you were the middle man (or that there were that many singular middle men in the first place). Especially when the people who made the call on what gets shelf space could order these things directly (and probably do as well as a bulk importer if they had any scale at all). LOL, but the is an anonymous adult forum and I'm willing to skip the slap fight over the issue, take your word for it, and call it a day...

 

[danibbler]

Actually, I have used Linux before, my last install was Ubuntu.

Oh yeah, the one before that was Puppy Linux.