Looks like the number of women requiring deposits is growing day by day

[explorerzip]

Agreed. But this goes both ways for agencies that deliberately overbook, and indies that get a better offer and cancel at the last minute. Last minute cancellations and no shows is not a phenomenon unique to the guys, and the hassles caused are just as impactful to the guys as they are to the girls. SP's time is not more valuable than the time of the hobbyists that book them. Everyone's time is equally valuable. Yet the women demand a deposit to hedge against the loss. When will the industry evolve to a point where when an indy or agency cancel last minute or no show the guy is compensated against his losses? The answer is: not soon. Funny, that.

Yes, it should go both ways. If an agency or indy cancels on you then deposits should be returned or at least attempts to reschedule. Things get sticky if you want to include travel time, gas, parking, transit, etc. because people could abuse the situation. Anyone can claim that they travelled from out of town to get to the SP's location and demand compensation even if they came in from around the corner.

I am sure agencies double book and indies cancel at the last minute for a better offer. Problem is that we will never know who is doing it or how widespread it is. It's a problem with all industries. Only difference with more legitimate industries is that you can go to the media if all else fails.

 

[explorerzip]

Personally, I find that asking 50$-15% as a deposit for 1st dates has been comfortable to me and those I see. A good third of my regular admirers now elect to send the full rate via EMT on the day of/before our date anyways to save themselves a trip to the ATM, which is fine by me. To each their own!

If clients are comfortable with EMT deposits, then they may as well pay the remainder as soon as they get in the room. It takes second to do an EMT. Like you said, it saves an extra trip to the ATM and having large amounts of cash on hand.

 

[Jenesis]

Agreed. But this goes both ways for agencies that deliberately overbook, and indies that get a better offer and cancel at the last minute. Last minute cancellations and no shows is not a phenomenon unique to the guys, and the hassles caused are just as impactful to the guys as they are to the girls. SP's time is not more valuable than the time of the hobbyists that book them. Everyone's time is equally valuable. Yet the women demand a deposit to hedge against the loss. When will the industry evolve to a point where when an indy or agency cancel last minute or no show the guy is compensated against his losses? The answer is: not soon. Funny, that.

So for my clarification- are you saying if you booked with an agency like Mirage and they had to cancel last minute, they don’t offer you another girl with a discount? I swear I have read Andy himself right that here. I could be wrong though. But I always thought that is how it worked. Is the cancelation rate high with agencies?

I can see this being an issue with some indies though and I didn’t mean to make it sound like an SPs time is more valuable. I just wanted it known that sometimes 2-3 notice is not enough. Many guys think canceling with a few hours notice is a enough time and sometimes it is not.

Again, I don’t charge deposits, but I do support SPs making their own choice for their business though. It just doesn’t work for me personally. I can’t hold someone’s money. I don’t like the responsibility of it. But that is just me. I’m weird this way. I won’t even hold money for family. That is what banks are for. And learning self control to not spend it but that is a topic for a different day.

And I guess - again, it comes down to research for guys. You have a better chance of not being screwed over with time when you research the right lady, right???? I don’t know the answer to your (guys) problem here other then research. Because It is not something I do. I also don’t double book, I don’t keep texting 5 mins more and am usually ready 15 mins before an appointment so if a guy shows up early, I’m ready. I hate the idea of a guy waiting in his car because I think it is a heat score.

I guess the other thing about deposits and why women can do this to avoid loses is because we are the service and you are seeker of that service. Doctors do the same, miss the appointment, you pay a cancelation fee and yet I have been canceled on by doctors. Or “rescheduled” as they like to call it. Or being left waiting for two hours after your appointment so I get it. It would suck from your side of having to deal with this. But unlike doctors that you can’t avoid sometimes, again - I think it comes down to research to help better your chances. Nothing is risk free in this business for either side but I wish I had the research capabilities you guys get and I guess you wish you had the compensation option that some SPs have. Funny that. LOL.

Somehow though, I don’t think there is a middle ground on this one. Other then ones choice of risk. Which is all we can individually own for ourselves at this point.

Sorry this was long. Just random thinking before coffee so if none of it makes sense, I blame the lack of caffeine.

 

[Jenesis]

If clients are comfortable with EMT deposits, then they may as well pay the remainder as soon as they get in the room. It takes second to do an EMT. Like you said, it saves an extra trip to the ATM and having large amounts of cash on hand.

I hate the awkwardness waiting sometimes for the email to come. It is not always right away and I don’t know many girls who would feel comfortable starting a session while waiting for the email that could take up to 30 mins to arrive sometimes.

I get the convenience though. It is just not something I do anymore personally for that reason.

 

[NotADcotor]

Agreed. But this goes both ways for agencies that deliberately overbook, and indies that get a better offer and cancel at the last minute. Last minute cancellations and no shows is not a phenomenon unique to the guys, and the hassles caused are just as impactful to the guys as they are to the girls. SP's time is not more valuable than the time of the hobbyists that book them. Everyone's time is equally valuable. Yet the women demand a deposit to hedge against the loss. When will the industry evolve to a point where when an indy or agency cancel last minute or no show the guy is compensated against his losses? The answer is: not soon. Funny, that.

I've seen some ads where they ask for deposits and flat out say they will prioritize longer dates.

That's a lot of nerve. You better show up regardless of you will pay, but you can go fuck yourself.
Bad enough when it's unstated policy but when it's there on the website, yikes.

But guys are stupid and desperate so most of them will put up with it which is also why there will be a time when 100% deposits will become the norm. The waters will be tested, boundaries pushed...

I also wonder how easy it is to get your money back instead of having to grovel and beg and being offered to use it for a future visit.

One also has to wonder how many times there is a no show because "I'm sick, my brother is in the hospital, had to take the cat to the vet, Justin Beiber is outside my door and I am scared" when in reality it's "I got too drunk last nice, I got a better offer, I want to binge watch a TV show" and the client just accepts it because we don't actually know and it never gets mentioned on terb because it seemed legit, but if it was, patterns would be noticed. "Wait, that's 5 grandmothers in the past month who died, WTF"

 

[Jenesis]

I've seen some ads where they ask for deposits and flat out say they will prioritize longer dates.

That's a lot of nerve.

Are they saying they will cancel your appointment for a longer date??? I don’t get that. What is “prioritizing” longer dates? I have never seen that.

If your interruption is correct, I agree - that is a lot of nerve. I don’t take a deposit from a mainstream client on a job and then push their timeline to work on another bigger money project. That is just not good business. Not good return business anyway.

 

[NotADcotor]

Are they saying they will cancel your appointment for a longer date??? I don’t get that. What is “prioritizing” longer dates? I have never seen that.

If your interruption is correct, I agree - that is a lot of nerve. I don’t take a deposit from a mainstream client on a job and then push their timeline to work on another bigger money project. That is just not good business. Not good return business anyway.

I assume that is what it means. I've seen it once or twice... but based on what others have said, it's a thing.

I've never had a date cancel on me* but then I haven't hobbied, back then, there was no screaning, no deposits and we paid in Denier, Sou and Livre when we could get our hands on it, monnoye du pays and even playing cards when we couldn't I tells ya.

* OK I had one flake in about 12 visits, I called her up, set up an appointment for an hour or so, but she called me as I was driving and of course hommie don't play that** and I guess that makes me the asshole because when I called her back in about 10 minutes she refused to answer. ** it was a long time ago and even today I am not set up for bluetooth in the car, I am a bit of a luddite.

If that happened more often I'd probably give up on the hobby. Pity strip clubs are dying, that plus Mr Hand when I get home is a good option, no homo.

 

[Gsh]

Are they saying they will cancel your appointment for a longer date??? I don’t get that. What is “prioritizing” longer dates? I have never seen that.

If your interruption is correct, I agree - that is a lot of nerve. I don’t take a deposit from a mainstream client on a job and then push their timeline to work on another bigger money project. That is just not good business. Not good return business anyway.

My understanding is that it means they will take a 1 hour date if it doesn't inconvenience them. Maybe they've already planning on working that day, or they have everything set up and no other plans. But they'll re-arrange their schedule to fit in a multi-hour date.

So not so much that they will cancel on you after the booking, but more like they might refuse a 1-hour date if it isn't convenient.

But that's the charitable interpretation. Maybe some mean that they will bump you for longer dates.

 

[Jenesis]

My understanding is that it means they will take a 1 hour date if it doesn't inconvenience them. Maybe they've already planning on working that day, or they have everything set up and no other plans. But they'll re-arrange their schedule to fit in a multi-hour date.

So not so much that they will cancel on you after the booking, but more like they might refuse a 1-hour date if it isn't convenient.

But that's the charitable interpretation. Maybe some mean that they will bump you for longer dates.

Well hopefully your interpretation is the correct one because the latter would just be wrong.

 

[D'arcy]

Since we are on Terb my comments are only in respect to those women who advertise here and are highly respected and well reviewed. If what you say is true, how come there are so few comments on this board confirming this for the women who advertise here? Yes there are scammers and bad apples in the industry but I would say that the majority of women who advertise here do not fall into that category. If I really want to see a women who requires a deposit, I will send it and if something goes wrong and I do not receive the money back after requesting it (as long as I did nothing wrong), I will report it here but from what I can see, this is not a common occurrence. But guys here make such s big thing about it over and over.

As a provider I can totally see this argument from both sides

As a client I can understand that men are skeptical about sending deposits to certain women but as the previous person just pointed out there are several reputable girls with various social media platforms that are obviously not scamming deposits because it would be too hard for us to disappear.

However there are many girls on Leo's list that show up with a new name every day that are trying to run a scam and those are the girls who should be avoided.

Again my reasons for asking for a deposit and screening information are simply because I was attacked and nearly killed by a first-time client. This was before I screened so I had no recourse to help me find out who he was.

And I only ask for a deposit so that if you cancel last minute my ass is covered.

For me it seems absolutely absurd to try and scam someone for their deposit and then disappear and make a whole other profile to pop up. Seems exhausting no? For me it just seems way simpler take the money and fuck the guy. Suck his dick and send them on his way but don't scam him

Again screening and deposits are never going to be for everybody and that's okay. That's why there's a wide variety of providers running their businesses in the way they see fit.

I just wish that everybody could understand that not every provider on here is trying to extort or exploit you. Chances are I make more money than most of you so I don't really need to scam yours. And I don't need to blackmail someone into being my boyfriend or to ruin their marriage. You guys should be so lucky that I cared that much.

I like sucking dicks not causing divorces.

I hope this message comes across as constructive and I don't need a bunch of people attacking me. I'm just trying to provide a well-balanced assessment of both sides of the argument

Merry Christmas everybody and let's all just try to get along in 2023

 

[explorerzip]

I've seen some ads where they ask for deposits and flat out say they will prioritize longer dates.

That's a lot of nerve. You better show up regardless of you will pay, but you can go fuck yourself.
Bad enough when it's unstated policy but when it's there on the website, yikes.

But guys are stupid and desperate so most of them will put up with it which is also why there will be a time when 100% deposits will become the norm. The waters will be tested, boundaries pushed...

I also wonder how easy it is to get your money back instead of having to grovel and beg and being offered to use it for a future visit.

One also has to wonder how many times there is a no show because "I'm sick, my brother is in the hospital, had to take the cat to the vet, Justin Beiber is outside my door and I am scared" when in reality it's "I got too drunk last nice, I got a better offer, I want to binge watch a TV show" and the client just accepts it because we don't actually know and it never gets mentioned on terb because it seemed legit, but if it was, patterns would be noticed. "Wait, that's 5 grandmothers in the past month who died, WTF"

I've seen ads / websites say things like:

2 hours or longer preferred for first time clients
Minimum 2 hours required for outcalls
Dates longer than 3 hours require some social time
FMTY requires all travel expenses paid in advance

Does it mean they will cancel a 1 hour appointment for a longer one? Maybe or maybe not. I honestly don't know. I'm perfectly fine with the first point because I always book 2 hours anyway regardless if I'm a new client.

Will there be a time when 100% deposit becomes the norm? Maybe, but likely not. If girls start asking for it, then we still have the right not to participate. If there are fools out there, then that's on them.

I have had a well regarded girl cut an appointment short by an hour supposedly because of a death in the family, but she returned the 1 hour rate. While it sucks to have an appointment cut short, I would prefer that vs having her soldier on if she's not up to it.

 

[explorerzip]

So for my clarification- are you saying if you booked with an agency like Mirage and they had to cancel last minute, they don’t offer you another girl with a discount? I swear I have read Andy himself right that here. I could be wrong though. But I always thought that is how it worked. Is the cancelation rate high with agencies?

I can see this being an issue with some indies though and I didn’t mean to make it sound like an SPs time is more valuable. I just wanted it known that sometimes 2-3 notice is not enough. Many guys think canceling with a few hours notice is a enough time and sometimes it is not.

Again, I don’t charge deposits, but I do support SPs making their own choice for their business though. It just doesn’t work for me personally. I can’t hold someone’s money. I don’t like the responsibility of it. But that is just me. I’m weird this way. I won’t even hold money for family. That is what banks are for. And learning self control to not spend it but that is a topic for a different day.

And I guess - again, it comes down to research for guys. You have a better chance of not being screwed over with time when you research the right lady, right???? I don’t know the answer to your (guys) problem here other then research. Because It is not something I do. I also don’t double book, I don’t keep texting 5 mins more and am usually ready 15 mins before an appointment so if a guy shows up early, I’m ready. I hate the idea of a guy waiting in his car because I think it is a heat score.

I guess the other thing about deposits and why women can do this to avoid loses is because we are the service and you are seeker of that service. Doctors do the same, miss the appointment, you pay a cancelation fee and yet I have been canceled on by doctors. Or “rescheduled” as they like to call it. Or being left waiting for two hours after your appointment so I get it. It would suck from your side of having to deal with this. But unlike doctors that you can’t avoid sometimes, again - I think it comes down to research to help better your chances. Nothing is risk free in this business for either side but I wish I had the research capabilities you guys get and I guess you wish you had the compensation option that some SPs have. Funny that. LOL.

Somehow though, I don’t think there is a middle ground on this one. Other then ones choice of risk. Which is all we can individually own for ourselves at this point.

Sorry this was long. Just random thinking before coffee so if none of it makes sense, I blame the lack of caffeine.

I don't think anyone knows how often agencies or indys cancel last minute. From a purely statistical standpoint, you would have to see a staggering amount of girls every year to see a trend. It does make me wonder about those guys that claim they're spending thousands or more per month on SPs. I guess they would see enough girls in a month to notice a trend. There are certainly guys that are high earners, single, divorced, no kids, kids moved away, mortgaged paid off, retired, inheritance, etc. I'm just staggered by guys that can justify spending that much time and money on SP's. As if there are no other outlets to spend your time and money?

Or there are guys out there that constantly scan SP ads / sites and notice that more girls are asking for screening, deposits, etc. Again, you would have to be spending a crazy amount of time doing this.

 

[Jenesis]

I don't think anyone knows how often agencies or indys cancel last minute. From a purely statistical standpoint, you would have to see a staggering amount of girls every year to see a trend. It does make me wonder about those guys that claim they're spending thousands or more per month on SPs. I guess they would see enough girls in a month to notice a trend. There are certainly guys that are high earners, single, divorced, no kids, kids moved away, mortgaged paid off, retired, inheritance, etc. I'm just staggered by guys that can justify spending that much time and money on SP's. As if there are no other outlets to spend your time and money?

Or there are guys out there that constantly scan SP ads / sites and notice that more girls are asking for screening, deposits, etc. Again, you would have to be spending a crazy amount of time doing this.

See this is my problem. I don’t do these things and like everyone else in the world, I think people think like me. Even though I know they don’t.

If I was running an agency - I would make those offers if I had to cancel. As an indy, I would do the same.

I have had to cancel a couple times. One because the guy was using a text app and I didn’t check until confirmation the day of. That was my bad. I offered him a free membership to my porn site because I would not be able to see him if he wanted to continue with a text app. He was understandable with canceling even though he was not happy. I even wrote about it on TERB. Which he read and contacted me back to tell me not to feel bad.

My business mind just doesn’t work in a non customer service way and I admittedly incorrectly assume that other ladies would have the same business mind when doing this business. I get reminded often how wrong I am on that front. LOL.

I would be interested in the trend. Hell I would be interested in understanding how the double booking thing works. Like do they just take the first guy that shows up, do they take the first and play the “5mins” game for a hh to get both? Like how does that work? I can’t seem to think it through because it just not something I would be able to do.

 

[Lv Wmn]

As a provider I can totally see this argument from both sides

As a client I can understand that men are skeptical about sending deposits to certain women but as the previous person just pointed out there are several reputable girls with various social media platforms that are obviously not scamming deposits because it would be too hard for us to disappear.

However there are many girls on Leo's list that show up with a new name every day that are trying to run a scam and those are the girls who should be avoided.

Again my reasons for asking for a deposit and screening information are simply because I was attacked and nearly killed by a first-time client. This was before I screened so I had no recourse to help me find out who he was.

And I only ask for a deposit so that if you cancel last minute my ass is covered.

For me it seems absolutely absurd to try and scam someone for their deposit and then disappear and make a whole other profile to pop up. Seems exhausting no? For me it just seems way simpler take the money and fuck the guy. Suck his dick and send them on his way but don't scam him

Again screening and deposits are never going to be for everybody and that's okay. That's why there's a wide variety of providers running their businesses in the way they see fit.

I just wish that everybody could understand that not every provider on here is trying to extort or exploit you. Chances are I make more money than most of you so I don't really need to scam yours. And I don't need to blackmail someone into being my boyfriend or to ruin their marriage. You guys should be so lucky that I cared that much.

I like sucking dicks not causing divorces.

I hope this message comes across as constructive and I don't need a bunch of people attacking me. I'm just trying to provide a well-balanced assessment of both sides of the argument

Merry Christmas everybody and let's all just try to get along in 2023

I rarely read threads on screening and deposit they normally devolve into some kind of hate filled thread full of accusations.

Personally I agree with D'arcy (other than liking sucking dick, I like to have mine sucked ). I don't for a second regret screening or sending deposits. Sure there is a risk but it is REALLY small and for me it is worth that risk.

 

[johnd5050]

Chances are I make more money than most of you so I don't really need to scam yours

It is impressive you make more money than most of the men who visit you.. Is your money Gross Income or Net Income ?

 

[D'arcy]

It is impressive you make more money than most of the men who visit you.. Is your money Gross Income or Net Income ?

I was mostly being facetious. I wasn't trying to bring my accountant and my fiscal earnings into the equation on the review board here.

I more just meant that I make enough money that I don't need to exploit people by scamming them.

But like I said it's not for everybody. And if screening and leaving a deposit isn't your thing then luckily there's a lot of providers that don't require that.

It's a big industry and there's enough room for all of us. I'm just trying to have a constructive conversation. I don't know why everybody needs to get their ass so chapped over my comments.

To discuss is healthy!

 

[black booty lover]

I more just meant that I make enough money that I don't need to exploit people by scamming them.

For me this at the heart of the issue. If no women out there were using this a scam and it was just a means of actually screening out time wasters, it would be great for everyone. The issue is it seems there are more women using at a way to scam then to actually screen, and there for can't be trusted for me.

 

[Daddy2021]

Why don’t you pipe down Kevin? LOL

No one is forcing you to see anyone or pay anything or give ID. You have options. There are hundreds of women out there. Pick one of them. Stop acting like your so hard done by.

There are thousands of clients out there, trust me / they ain’t gonna hurt for this.

Neither side will effect the other so relax. It sounds so stupid when a guy bitches about a girl or company they will never use anyways. Stop trying to act like your so important that you or your lack of money matter to this agency at all.

 

[Daddy2021]

I disgree . this forum et al. decide industry standsrds. fs bareback eas acceptable now its not. bjs were freaky now they are not. some issued stay individual choice others become law. these early steps decide the way

What?

 

[Toronto Girlfriends]

For those who do not cancel with sufficient notice, they deserve to pay a deposit.
Maybe cash flow is not an issue for you due to income from your other flourishing business.
If you feel that I am not doing the good thing, why all this noise about deposits for the past two years ?
I do what's right, what's ethical and not based on public opinion. Thanks for your opinion.

She said that for some SPs 2-3 hours cancelation notice is not sufficient. Your ethical correct is not necessarily correct to the SP, it is just what makes you feel better about your choices. Many other men have that logic and to them not showing up at all is ethically acceptable, so do you think that women should just leave it up to the client's ethics when choosing their business practices?

From our business point of view, we realized quickly that the clients who complete the screening process are hundreds of times more likely to respect and obey every other rule. As providers there is nothing more annoying that a client mansplaining what should be the right thing.

Do you know how many times we have had clients do things they were not supposed to do, and then try to justify their action with some mansplanation of why they are right and we are wrong?