Mac v.s. Windows

[Cobster]

Since there's a thread that I'm in about PC's and Macs, thought I'd post this.
On another forum I'm on, someone posted this about the Mac.
Thought it was kinda funny, the delivery and all, almost good enough for a commercial...but it does hold some truth to it.

Do you trust someone who builds themselves up, by tearing others
down? Maybe both are guilty, but Apple flaunts it, advertises it,
and promotes it.

Microsoft appears to be guarding aginst it.
I do know a computer repair shop who told me "you would be
surprised at how many pirated copies of Windows XP we find on the
machines we repair".
[mini rant mode on]
I don't trust Apple. Liars
"fastest desktop computer in the world"
"will change the way you use a computer forever"
"megahertz myth"
"3Ghz by the end of the year (took 2 more years to finally get that
one"
"iDisk tools free, we'll never charge (.Mac $99 now)"
"iChat AV will work with Windows users this year,(that was 2-3
years ago, and still not true)"
Purposfully bad drivers included in early releases of "boot camp"
so that when you loaded Windows on your Intel Mac, wham... BSOD
"accidental Virus on an iPod?"
Stuff they give then take away like,
.Mac Antivirus
Stuffit expander
Lets not forget that every new OS requires updating your current
utilities to work with the new OS, Like Disk Warrior, Dantz
Retrospect and so on and so on and so forth.
NOPE I don't trust Apple. Liars. I I just told you about little stuff.
Back Dating...?
environmental issues?
Price fixing? <- there is a lot to this story, including Apple
running small shops out of business, you know, folks who supported
and sold thier products for them and defended the Apple honor. Yep
"eats its own young".

Apple is sick and disgusting I think. They are their own virus.
With friends like that who needs enemys?
[mini rant mode off]

 

[canucklehead]

Thanks for posting this.

Even though I like Macs I think they are way overpriced for the hardware you get.
One thing I noticed on a MacBookPro that the metal housing actually shields off the Airport reception a bit and with a weak signal u'll not be able to connect to a wireless network. I tried this with my Mac and my PC, while the PC had a decent wireless signal - the Mac couldn't even connect!
Both computers had the same distance to the router....

I always had this complaint about the MacBooks and PowerBooks....anodized Aluminum blocks wireless.....why make the laptop out of it...... iBooks always had double to triple the range.

 

[canucklehead]

Imho

I don't trust Apple. Liars
"fastest desktop computer in the world"
"will change the way you use a computer forever"
"megahertz myth"
"3Ghz by the end of the year (took 2 more years to finally get that
one"
IBM promised and so did Jobs..... the reason why they moved to the Intel architecture.
"iDisk tools free, we'll never charge (.Mac $99 now)"
This one pissed me off when they wanted to charge for it but i do not remember the promise of it being free forever.
"iChat AV will work with Windows users this year,(that was 2-3
years ago, and still not true)"
iChat worked with AIM right away just not the video..... now it works with YM, Messenger, ICQ, eGroup, Jabber, etc etc. Has worked with Jabber since the second release...through the Jabber network you can IM any platform.
Purposfully bad drivers included in early releases of "boot camp"
so that when you loaded Windows on your Intel Mac, wham... BSOD
I never had a problem with BootCamp ....... i have since moved to using Parallel and Crossover. Bootcamp was and still is a Beta release...BETA!

"accidental Virus on an iPod?"
Never saw that...virus? never saw a Virus on OSX..... many claims never anything that was an actual virus on OSX or iPod.

Stuff they give then take away like,
.Mac Antivirus
Stuffit expander
Ummm u mentioned .Mac..... Virex stopped making anti virus software and Stuffit is still free, just not installed on your mac. ZIP archive ability is built in as well as the ability to use about 4 or 5 different Unix tools for archiving. Leopard has anti virus build in...open source project apple has adopted and improved with source code.
Lets not forget that every new OS requires updating your current
utilities to work with the new OS, Like Disk Warrior, Dantz
Retrospect and so on and so on and so forth.
Yeah when u updated from 2000 , 98 to XP every program worked great no updating needed..... drivers etc. When was the last time MS offered an updated OS..... 5 years? Sorry about Apple trying to improve their OS. No one is forcing you to update your OS unless you have purchased new hardware.....
Price fixing? <- there is a lot to this story, including Apple
running small shops out of business, you know, folks who supported
and sold thier products for them and defended the Apple honor. Yep
"eats its own young".
This is true and not true.... my consulting business has grown to triple its size as well me hiring 5 staff members over the past 3 years...all based on references from Apple. I understand it is harder for retailers and have heard horror stories. Not allowing resellers access to sell to education is very hard on resellers and something Apple should look at and remodel.
I have my own issues with Apple. As far as being the evil empire i find with every release of the OS they are opening their arms to more and more open source, while Windows is trying to close its code more and more. MHO

 

[Berlin]

Mac vs PC

Do you trust someone who builds themselves up, by tearing others
down? Maybe both are guilty, but Apple flaunts it, advertises it,
and promotes it.

Ahh... the ever on going shbang between the 2 camps.
Hardcores fan does what hardcore do , dissing and hating the other end with passion ... right cobster ?

 

[canucklehead]

I deal with Apple and MS all day....neither wins a appoint on the support side. Apple as a company is a pain in my ass to deal with.....MS on the other hand is the same... i prefer the Apple product over Windows as far as the OS goes. I would really rather work with BSD all day. The reason why Apple's OS is better has to do with them controlling the hardware..... IMHO.
Everything is a tool the problems is tools end up using them..... PEBKAC

 

[Berlin]

Everything is a tool ....

That, I can't agree more. They're just tools indeed, and I have to say Apple makes much sexier tools than PC. And that IMO, Apple wins hands down.

 

[skihrdr]

"accidental Virus on an iPod?"
Never saw that...virus? never saw a Virus on OSX..... many claims never anything that was an actual virus on OSX or iPod.

http://www.apple.com/support/windowsvirus/

 

[canucklehead]

I saw the Service notice today... lol it was in my GSX Apple email account..... apparently it was passed on from the manufacturer in Taiwan. All the infected iPod had been formated on Windows machines.
All the iPods came from one factory that were infected......

 

[MarkII]

I'm about to migrate to a Mac Pro workstation very soon.

With the new intel chips and programs like parallel I have the best of both worlds.

My software needs are centered around programs that run very well if not better on the mac platform. Anything else I need will perform just as well using parallel..and this will only get better.

On the PC side the new Vista OS will be good. MS are not stupid, they've been testing this for quite some time but drivers and updates will be slow in coming as the software vendors will have to support two systems for quite some time. Until Vista service pack 1 is released...I would hold off if staying with the PC platform.

My needs centre around Aperture, Lightroom, Photoshop (although CS3 is still not predicted to arrive mid year 2007) and MS office. The only program not ready for the new Mac Pro is photoshop and I can run CS2 on parallel.

I also like the design of the machine. Need to drop in a drive..just pull out a drive bay and insert..no brainer. Need to add RAM..no brainer. It's a better designed machine.

For years I have been building my own machines...virtual screamers! But I've grown tired of trying to keep up and decipher the various chipsets and MB's and combos. My time is better spent making money with the machine not trying to either figure out what to buy or the best combo..but using it to make money.

Out of the box the Mac Pro will put me to work right away. All the software I need in my biz is ready and tested on the new Macs. I'm done trying to be an IT person. I run a one person biz...and my time is better spent working than researching a computer. I can always upgrade the mac if need be.

Thats why I'm switching. With the intel chipsets I can still use the PC programs I need and get the best of both worlds. Hel if I decided Vista is better the machine will run that more than adequately.

My machines need about 6 gigs of Ram for effeciency...I can get that right out of the box with a Mac...I have to go to high end PC MB's for that ability.

Why fight progress?

Don;t get me wrong. I think MS has done a pretty good job of creating an OS that will work with literally 1000's of configurations. 999 I don't need..so I'm going with one that works and is productive right away without the need for constant security updates. In my machines I've found these constant updates slow the machine down considerably.

My 2 cents.

M2

 

[skihrdr]

I'm about to migrate to a Mac Pro workstation very soon.

With the new intel chips and programs like parallel I have the best of both worlds.

My software needs are centered around programs that run very well if not better on the mac platform. Anything else I need will perform just as well using parallel..and this will only get better.

On the PC side the new Vista OS will be good. MS are not stupid, they've been testing this for quite some time but drivers and updates will be slow in coming as the software vendors will have to support two systems for quite some time. Until Vista service pack 1 is released...I would hold off if staying with the PC platform.

My needs centre around Aperture, Lightroom, Photoshop (although CS3 is still not predicted to arrive mid year 2007) and MS office. The only program not ready for the new Mac Pro is photoshop and I can run CS2 on parallel.

I also like the design of the machine. Need to drop in a drive..just pull out a drive bay and insert..no brainer. Need to add RAM..no brainer. It's a better designed machine.

For years I have been building my own machines...virtual screamers! But I've grown tired of trying to keep up and decipher the various chipsets and MB's and combos. My time is better spent making money with the machine not trying to either figure out what to buy or the best combo..but using it to make money.

Out of the box the Mac Pro will put me to work right away. All the software I need in my biz is ready and tested on the new Macs. I'm done trying to be an IT person. I run a one person biz...and my time is better spent working than researching a computer. I can always upgrade the mac if need be.

Thats why I'm switching. With the intel chipsets I can still use the PC programs I need and get the best of both worlds. Hel if I decided Vista is better the machine will run that more than adequately.

My machines need about 6 mgs of Ram for effeciency...I can get that right out of the box with a Mac...I have to go to high end PC MB's for that ability.

Why fight progress?

Don;t get me wrong. I think MS has done a pretty good job of creating an OS that will work with literally 1000's of configurations. 999 I don't need..so I'm going with one that works and is productive right away without the need for constant security updates. In my machines I've found these constant updates slow the machine down considerably.

My 2 cents.

M2

I think you're maybe blinded by the slickness of the Mac. Sure it looks like a terrific package, but at the cost of the Mac Pro, I'm positive you could buy a workstation from Dell, HP, etc that will perform as well.

Why does the quick change hd matter? How often do you do that? Regardless most of the PCs manufactured today are made for quick removal of most components as it's easier to engineer that in so a product's time on an assembly line is as short as possible - all to fit into lean manufacturing.

Now don't get me wrong, I've got two Macs, one a last gen but my latest is an Intel Macbook with 2Gb of ram. I enjoy my Macs and PCs all for different reasons but in all honesty, the PC is the most flexible greatly due to available software.

Yes, you can use Parallels etc, but remember that some of your usb products won't function properly - my blackberry won't connect, for instance. I've only played with that for about an hour and found it less frustrating just to connect to an available pc on occasion. My point is that you want to make sure all your hardware will work or that you have a second plan. Another example is that I have a Canon Lide20 scanner - won't work with Mac. Now, not a big deal if I were buying a scanner today as I would check that it's compatible, unfortunately, this scanner has been around well before my Mac. My only choice is to buy another scanner - not something I want to do when I'm very happy with this one.

Try burning a CD or DVD with Parallels. (won't happen...)

For another PITA, try finding good nav hardware/software that will work on Mac. My garmin stuff installed on Parallels, but was a true bitch to get it to communicate with the hardware through USB. Native PC, it's a simple task.

Another thing with Parallels that I've noticed is that occasionally, especially in Outlook, the keyboard will not respond and I have to click the mouse a couple of times. It's as though the window that I think has focus (message body) actually doesn't.

Games will be another area in which Parallels will fall short. I don't game, so no loss to me.

Those are the only downsides to an otherwise stunning package, in my case. You would have to ensure that there aren't more serious drawbacks in your particular case. However, with Apple's decision to go Intel which allows you the option to run XP natively would most certainly give you a fall back scenario in case you just couldn't make due with parallels. In the old world of PowerPC, you're stuck.

 

[MarkII]

I think you're maybe blinded by the slickness of the Mac. Sure it looks like a terrific package, but at the cost of the Mac Pro, I'm positive you could buy a workstation from Dell, HP, etc that will perform as well.

Why does the quick change hd matter? How often do you do that? Regardless most of the PCs manufactured today are made for quick removal of most components as it's easier to engineer that in so a product's time on an assembly line is as short as possible - all to fit into lean manufacturing.

I shoot all my photo's in RAW format. For archiving I buy HD's and just fill them up, and it doesn;'t take me that long to fill a drive. The idea of simply sliding the bay out popping in the new drive and back to work is a real time saver. Each photo shoot is also archived onto dual DVD for backup. Redundancy is everything!

I enjoy my Macs and PCs all for different reasons but in all honesty, the PC is the most flexible greatly due to available software.

Very valid point. But for me my software uses are quite limited. No phone connect..none of that.

Yes, you can use Parallels etc, but remember that some of your usb products won't function properly

The only thing that will be connected by USB will be the Epson prionter..new drivers already available and a card reader.

Try burning a CD or DVD with Parallels. (won't happen...)

Mac Pro tower comes with a dual DVD burner..won't need it.

Another thing with Parallels that I've noticed is that occasionally, especially in Outlook

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I'll be picking up the student edition of Office for Mac for word processing etc..so this shouldn't be a problem. I can use the base Mac software for email if need be.

Thanks for your comments..all were valid. If I was looking at a general use machine I would most likely stick with a PC. In my case my needs are pretty specific and the software is already there (with the exception of CS2) so I'm covered. I guess my point in general was...I'm done doing all the research and trying to tweak my PC's for optimum performance. It most certainly can be done, I'd just rather devote my time to something more productive.

Great post..thanks!

M2

 

[xarir]

I love my Mac!

It's irrational, but it's true.

 

[Berlin]

As Rik Muslweski said,

" Although Apple's hardware has consistently led the personal computing world in quality and style, it's the Mac's OS's that have brought the most advances to the world of personal computing."

I love my Mac!

It's not hard to see why.

 

[skihrdr]

As Rik Muslweski said,

" Although Apple's hardware has consistently led the personal computing world in quality and style, it's the Mac's OS's that have brought the most advances to the world of personal computing."



It's not hard to see why.

.

Ummm, who's Rik Muswhatever???

No, I won't google him...

 

[Berlin]

Myslewski

Don't bother. He's Goober's relative.

 

[canucklehead]

Yes, you can use Parallels etc, but remember that some of your usb products won't function properly - my blackberry won't connect, for instance.
I have been syncing my Blackberry's on a Mac for two and half years....

Another example is that I have a Canon Lide20 scanner - won't work with Mac.
I have two schools set up using these scanners in their medialabs....... all on OSX.
http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/c...ct&fcategoryid=119&modelid=6624&keycode=macdr

Try burning a CD or DVD with Parallels. (won't happen...)
Just used Nero in Bootcamp.... Parallel says this will be available next update..... but just burn in OSX.

If you are going to be running Windows all the time why bother buying a Mac.....

 

[skihrdr]

Another example is that I have a Canon Lide20 scanner - won't work with Mac.
I have two schools set up using these scanners in their medialabs....... all on OSX.
http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/c...ct&fcategoryid=119&modelid=6624&keycode=macdr

Hey, now that's helpful - thanks. However, my point still stands - check that your hardware is compatible...

Try burning a CD or DVD with Parallels. (won't happen...)
Just used Nero in Bootcamp.... Parallel says this will be available next update..... but just burn in OSX.

If you are going to be running Windows all the time why bother buying a Mac.....

Because I support windows machines and our manufacturing software does not know any OS beyond MS...

Bootcamp requires shutting down OSx, something I don't want to do. For me, Parallels works fine, the point of my thread was to make the person think about all possible "gotchas" that may occur.

 

[canucklehead]

Just a note there is far more software for OSX then for Windows.... just in Unix software that is free and u can compile on OSX there is over 50,000 titles..... now if u want to play solitaire or games ;-)
I am a Apple System Engineer Consultant but i do also support Directory Services for 2003 2000 (AD) and various Linux Directory Services. I just prefer to work on something that works out of the box and requires zero configuration other then compiling tools.
Windows Mac and all the NIXs are all tools for different jobs. It is not how we get the job finished just as long as it is done.

 

[CanuckZilla]

I'm a major Mac-geek, but I have no PC hate. As a Graphic designer, Mac's are the best tool for the job. I'll never understand brand-loyalty. Do what's right for you! I will admit I find the commercials pretty funny though.