California went through the same experience. I think their concern was not based on merit but that the university population should represent the general population.
Maclean's must answer for racial profiling
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I was in a jewelry store the other day, it had a cage that the security guard checked you out then buzzes you into the store. While I was there a young black guy with a long winter coat with a hood that he kept on tried to gain entry to the shop. He was refused entry and told to call for an app't. Racial profiling but I felt safer as a customer.
Perhaps it was a staged photograph, but it seems pecular that two Canadian University undergraduates would pose holding a Chinese flag.
When I was a student, I found there were enough ppl that had flags of representing their heritage.
Shit, all the Italians and Portuguese in my neighbourhood cheer for the "old country" in soccer even if Canada was the opposing team. My Ukrainian friend cheers for the Russian hockey team even though his forebearers fled the Ukraine due to Russians stealing their wheat and starving 7 million Ukrainians to death.
Editorial Reviews
Review
This landmark work covers new research ground in documenting the significant yet unrecognized barriers of discrimination and marginalization faced by Asian Americans in the United States today. As an often invisible and silent minority, Asian Americans can at last find voice in this brilliant work that recognizes the reality of their experience. The courage, nobility, and honesty of the authors will assist all involved in the struggle for equity and inclusion. --Edna B. Chun, Broward Community College
Most Americans believe Asian Americans are content, do not suffer from discrimination, and are all in the path to whiteness. Chou and Feagin document convincingly with interview data that they are not content, suffer from discrimination, and are, for the most part, regarded as perpetual foreigners. Bravo to the authors for bringing to the fore the racial oppression endured by Asian Americans! --Eduardo Bonilla-Silva, Duke University
Through a compelling analysis of white racism experienced by Asian Americans in their everyday lives, Chou and Feagin offer an insightful critique of research on assimilation that focuses on indicators of integration while ignoring the serious forms of racism examined in this book. --Leland T. Saito, University of Southern California
Product Description
In this pathbreaking book sociologists Rosalind Chou and Joe Feagin examine, for the first time in depth, racial stereotyping and discrimination daily faced by Asian Americans long viewed by whites as the model minority. Drawing on more than 40 field interviews across the country, they examine the everyday lives of Asian Americans in numerous different national origin groups. Their data contrast sharply with white-honed, especially media, depictions of racially untroubled Asian American success. Many hypocritical whites make sure that Asian Americans know their racially inferior place in U.S. society so that Asian people live lives constantly oppressed and stressed by white racism. The authors explore numerous instances of white-imposed discrimination faced by Asian Americans in a variety of settings, from elementary schools to college settings, to employment, to restaurants and other public accommodations. The responses of Asian Americans to the U.S. racial hierarchy and its rationalizing racist framing are traced with some Asian Americans choosing to conform aggressively to whiteness and others choosing to resist actively the imposition of the U.S. brand of anti-Asian oppression. This book destroys any naïve notion that Asian Americans are universally favored by whites and have an easy time adapting to life in this still racist society.
California universities impose an upper quota on admission of Asian students based on colour not academic merit.
Unlike other racial groups that do socially useful things like play football, basketball, hit a baseball, act in movies, sing heavy metal, etc. Asian Americans tend to gravitate to socially useless fields like computers, engineering, medicine, accounting, other sciences, etc.
http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2008/07/18/asian
'The Myth of the Model Minority'
July 18, 2008
A new book -- The Myth of the Model Minority: Asian Americans Facing Racism (Paradigm Publishers) -- challenges the idea that most Asian Americans are relatively untouched by racism or focused on issues related to equity. Based on field interviews nationwide, the book describes the Asian American experience in schools, colleges, the workplace and public discourse. In the section on college, examples include students who have been the victim of ethnic profiling (as Muslims) and the barrage of allegedly harmless jokes (such as UCLA as the acronym for "University of Caucasians Lost among Asians") that students experience. The authors of the book are Rosalind S. Chou, a doctoral student in sociology at Texas A&M University, and Joe R. Feagin, a professor of sociology at Texas A&M. Chou recently responded to e-mail questions about the book's findings about college students.
Q: Why do you think some college students, many of them self-professed liberals who might not tolerate racist jokes about some groups, not only tolerate but engage in jokes about Asian Americans?
A: There are a number of reasons for this. Firstly, as we note in the book, there is a pervasive stereotype that Asian Americans are docile. The history of Asian American resistance to racism is largely left out of the history books and the news media. There is activism, especially concentrated on the West Coast and Northeast, but it’s forgotten or ignored. Secondly, many of our respondents talked how they received either explicit or implicit messages to “let things go” or to “not rock the boat,” further reinforcing that Asian Americans will tolerate racist teasing, whereas other minority groups have been unfairly stereotyped as violent or dangerous. The more visible activism of these other racial minority groups may deter a person from poking fun so publicly. Thirdly, Asian Americans appear to have “made it.” This illusion of being “model minorities” can make it seem “less offensive” to poke fun at a group that is seemingly free of racial oppression.
Q: The book's section on college opens with examples related to California universities with large Asian populations. Does the treatment of Asian students differ significantly at institutions where they make up smaller shares of the student body?
A: Our respondents shared that they faced racial discrimination regardless of their geographic location. However, those students who attended schools with large Asian/ Asian American populations found that they had access to support. The Asian American students groups were very active on campus; this did not save them from mistreatment but they had a community to surround them. The students attending schools with a smaller population of Asian American students did not have those resources so readily available. They still dealt with “model minority” stereotyping and, at times, very violent hate crimes, but the experiences were very similar.
Q: What do you see as key similarities and differences in the treatment of Asian American students with black and Latino students?
A: The similarities start with the shared history of racial oppression and labor exploitation. Early Asian immigrants were brought to this country for their cheap labor, just as African slaves and Mexican Braceros were. They were also lynched just as the African American and Latino American. Today, these students still live in a society that is racially stratified. Unfortunately, many students do not know about this shared history and then do not apply this knowledge to our current racial hierarchy.
The major differences in the treatment of these students are how they are stereotyped. Asian Americans are associated with academic excellence and overachievement. Whereas black and Latino students are negatively stereotyped in academia. Either way, these stereotypes are externally imposed and can have a great affect on individual students internally, but also may impact other students, their teachers, professors, and administrators. Stereotyping, whether positive or negative, can be damaging.
Q: Your book features interviews with students from East Asian and South Asian backgrounds -- do you think those students have similar college experiences?
A: I think where we are in worrisome political moment after September 11th, South Asian Americans are dealing with additional stereotyping that challenges their patriotism and religious affiliation. Our South Asian respondents have had to deal with very violent attacks rooted to the misconception that they might be “terrorists.” They still deal with “model minority” stereotyping but they have an extra burden right now. Those South Asian respondents that are very dark skinned are confused for African Americans at times and are then stripped of the “model minority” status and are hit with a different set of prejudices.
Q: Many Asian American high school students feel that competitive colleges hold them to a higher standard than they do white students, and some view this as an impact of affirmative action. What are your thoughts?
A: I, Rosalind, have a personal story that relates to this question. When I was applying to colleges when I was a junior in high school, I bought one of those college guides you get at the bookstore. They had a quiz in the first few pages of the book that would give you a score at the end determining how competitive you would be for colleges. The higher the score, the more lucrative you were as an applicant. You would get two extra points for being in the top 5 percent of your class, two points for playing sports, two points for volunteering, 2 points for being Black or Latino etc. If you were white you neither had to add or subtract points, BUT you were to deduct 3 points if you were Asian American. This was a reputable college guide that I had purchased brand new, it was 1993, and it was so blatant and obvious to me that there was a different standard for Asian Americans compared to any other group.
Nowadays, I think it is something that is cloaked, but the issue is so complex. The educational playing field is not even and the circumstances for each racial group are greatly varied. I do not buy into the cultural argument that some racial groups value education more than others. Asian Americans are used as a marker by whites to accuse blacks and Latinos of being educationally deficient. This issue is much more complex than these sweeping generalizations of racial groups. We cite a documentary in our book that shows that Japanese Americans living on the West Coast that were interned actually pushed their children to perform well academically as a response to the horrific racist experience of internment camps in hopes that it would be a protective measure from future discrimination. When that generation of Japanese Americans started to perform well in school, the media blew up the story and the ideology of Asian Americans as great students emerged. I do believe we should still affirmatively act to level the playing field.
'The Myth of the Model Minority'
July 18, 2008
A new book -- The Myth of the Model Minority: Asian Americans Facing Racism (Paradigm Publishers) -- challenges the idea that most Asian Americans are relatively untouched by racism or focused on issues related to equity. Based on field interviews nationwide, the book describes the Asian American experience in schools, colleges, the workplace and public discourse. In the section on college, examples include students who have been the victim of ethnic profiling (as Muslims) and the barrage of allegedly harmless jokes (such as UCLA as the acronym for "University of Caucasians Lost among Asians") that students experience. The authors of the book are Rosalind S. Chou, a doctoral student in sociology at Texas A&M University, and Joe R. Feagin, a professor of sociology at Texas A&M. Chou recently responded to e-mail questions about the book's findings about college students.
Q: Why do you think some college students, many of them self-professed liberals who might not tolerate racist jokes about some groups, not only tolerate but engage in jokes about Asian Americans?
A: There are a number of reasons for this. Firstly, as we note in the book, there is a pervasive stereotype that Asian Americans are docile. The history of Asian American resistance to racism is largely left out of the history books and the news media. There is activism, especially concentrated on the West Coast and Northeast, but it’s forgotten or ignored. Secondly, many of our respondents talked how they received either explicit or implicit messages to “let things go” or to “not rock the boat,” further reinforcing that Asian Americans will tolerate racist teasing, whereas other minority groups have been unfairly stereotyped as violent or dangerous. The more visible activism of these other racial minority groups may deter a person from poking fun so publicly. Thirdly, Asian Americans appear to have “made it.” This illusion of being “model minorities” can make it seem “less offensive” to poke fun at a group that is seemingly free of racial oppression.
Q: The book's section on college opens with examples related to California universities with large Asian populations. Does the treatment of Asian students differ significantly at institutions where they make up smaller shares of the student body?
A: Our respondents shared that they faced racial discrimination regardless of their geographic location. However, those students who attended schools with large Asian/ Asian American populations found that they had access to support. The Asian American students groups were very active on campus; this did not save them from mistreatment but they had a community to surround them. The students attending schools with a smaller population of Asian American students did not have those resources so readily available. They still dealt with “model minority” stereotyping and, at times, very violent hate crimes, but the experiences were very similar.
Q: What do you see as key similarities and differences in the treatment of Asian American students with black and Latino students?
A: The similarities start with the shared history of racial oppression and labor exploitation. Early Asian immigrants were brought to this country for their cheap labor, just as African slaves and Mexican Braceros were. They were also lynched just as the African American and Latino American. Today, these students still live in a society that is racially stratified. Unfortunately, many students do not know about this shared history and then do not apply this knowledge to our current racial hierarchy.
The major differences in the treatment of these students are how they are stereotyped. Asian Americans are associated with academic excellence and overachievement. Whereas black and Latino students are negatively stereotyped in academia. Either way, these stereotypes are externally imposed and can have a great affect on individual students internally, but also may impact other students, their teachers, professors, and administrators. Stereotyping, whether positive or negative, can be damaging.
Q: Your book features interviews with students from East Asian and South Asian backgrounds -- do you think those students have similar college experiences?
A: I think where we are in worrisome political moment after September 11th, South Asian Americans are dealing with additional stereotyping that challenges their patriotism and religious affiliation. Our South Asian respondents have had to deal with very violent attacks rooted to the misconception that they might be “terrorists.” They still deal with “model minority” stereotyping but they have an extra burden right now. Those South Asian respondents that are very dark skinned are confused for African Americans at times and are then stripped of the “model minority” status and are hit with a different set of prejudices.
Q: Many Asian American high school students feel that competitive colleges hold them to a higher standard than they do white students, and some view this as an impact of affirmative action. What are your thoughts?
A: I, Rosalind, have a personal story that relates to this question. When I was applying to colleges when I was a junior in high school, I bought one of those college guides you get at the bookstore. They had a quiz in the first few pages of the book that would give you a score at the end determining how competitive you would be for colleges. The higher the score, the more lucrative you were as an applicant. You would get two extra points for being in the top 5 percent of your class, two points for playing sports, two points for volunteering, 2 points for being Black or Latino etc. If you were white you neither had to add or subtract points, BUT you were to deduct 3 points if you were Asian American. This was a reputable college guide that I had purchased brand new, it was 1993, and it was so blatant and obvious to me that there was a different standard for Asian Americans compared to any other group.
Nowadays, I think it is something that is cloaked, but the issue is so complex. The educational playing field is not even and the circumstances for each racial group are greatly varied. I do not buy into the cultural argument that some racial groups value education more than others. Asian Americans are used as a marker by whites to accuse blacks and Latinos of being educationally deficient. This issue is much more complex than these sweeping generalizations of racial groups. We cite a documentary in our book that shows that Japanese Americans living on the West Coast that were interned actually pushed their children to perform well academically as a response to the horrific racist experience of internment camps in hopes that it would be a protective measure from future discrimination. When that generation of Japanese Americans started to perform well in school, the media blew up the story and the ideology of Asian Americans as great students emerged. I do believe we should still affirmatively act to level the playing field.
This is "their" way of "leveling the playing field". That is why they should disqualify any football player over 6 feet tall from competing for the team because he/she has an unfair advantage and we have to level the playing field. BTW: Not sure if this is still true, but the standards for a female to join the fire department is less rigerous than for a male (got to level the playing field you know).
Ms. Chou could just leave America and go to Taiwan or China for good if she wishes to do so.
Keep in mind though once she is there, do not be surprised the educated folks and the hillbillies over there see her at best ABC, at worst a hopeless banana trying to be their kind of people.
No different from many black people considering and accusing the successful one among them of whitewashing or acting white.
hewy why don't you go back to europe before you tell asians most of which are born in north america to gp back to thier ancestral homeland ya KKK racist? why is that asians against racism threatened whites like yourselves. your posts in this thread have pure white prevelidge and white supremacy written in them.
ROFLMAO....
BTW, looks like those Asian Americans and the diaspora Jews are having many things in common when it comes to achieve excellence.
Did somebody spike your drink lately?
BTW, unlike the Blacks and Whites in North America, the young and bright Asian North Americans still have the options to go back to their ancestral motherland to start new careers instead of being "discriminated" in "economic wasteland".
Their English language and professional skills still mean something, albeit less so compared to say 5 to 6 years ago.
Not going to be surprised you find it hard to comprehend.
how are they supposed to start new careers when they don't speak asian languages due to being born in America(which makes them Americans) stop justifying your racism towards asians. they are American citizens racists like yourselves only see them as permanent foreigners
being born in America means their first language is English
no you are a racist than only see Asians Americans most of which are born here whose first language is English as permanent foreigners
Obviously, you have no idea there are still a big chunk of Asians over there who do not mind those ABCs speaking English only. Those Asians consider this golden opportunities to polish their English language skills and expose themselves to different POV.
Moreover, many of those Asian Americans who reside in their ancestral homeland have the motivation to pick up the local languages, even having local spouses.
Right but many are smart enough to learn languages from their heritages. They should blame themselves when they fail to do so.
Wrong person. The "racists" are some residing in Asia. They share the same narrow mindedness and fixation to talk nonsense like yourself.
BTW, it looks like you are an equal opportunity racists to "defend" the Asians and Blacks in order to bash the white in general.
https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...25-of-28-Murder-Victims-by-Guns-are-Black-Men
I was not talking about Asians in Asia
this have nothing to do with Asian Americans facing racism in America
if they are living in America where they are born and have no intention of living in Asian countries they have no reason to learn Asian languages
you just prove my point that the biggest complainers of racism from Asians in Asia(especially Japan) are exclusively whites(white gaijins in Japan) hinz just tell Asian Americans to go back to their ancestral homelands if they face racism and hinz thinks it's ok (after making a racist anti-asian american statement in this thread) for him to complain about racism from Asians
Right, you refuse to believe those Asian Americans do have the options to start fresh in their ancestral homeland.
The African Americans turn will come when Africa becomes the new Frontier market to invest.
No such luck for the Whites. Maybe the Latinos are the exception.
Nope. This racism is a catalyst for the Asian Americans who get the best education and expertise in North America to relocate.
Those Asian countries would probably jump for joy to get the best and the brightest from the overseas "free", thanks to America's "stupidity".
LMAO. Maybe it's valid 10 years ago.
Again try to ask many Asian Americans nowadays and the overwhelming majority would relocate to Asia and learn the languages to get a head start without a sweat when the opportunity arises.
Unlike you and one of the co-authors of that book, those people do not dwell on self-pitying and demand the "grievance" to be addressed, preferably compensation in $$$.
BTW, Bill Cosby is right.
Did they do something on you lately?
Nothing wrong with that since they have fall back position/flexibility to go back to their ancestral homelands. Their talents are appreciated and hard works would be recognized.
You OTOH by instinct love to jump into the conclusion and suggest by default this is some kind of white conspiracy to stir racial hatred.
What a bunch of BS made up by you.
This thread has given me an idea for a "American Pie"/"Porky's"-esque teen sex comedy about a buncha nerdy white geeks who choose to go to a Canadian university dominated by Asians because they think it'll give them a better chance of hooking up with Asian chicks, who they fetishize thanks to years of exposure to Japanese video games, anime and Jackie Chan movies.
The university's name in the movie will be "University of Mellow River" but, for the movie poster, it'll be spray-painted over by one of the boys to say the movie's title: "Poon-iversity of Yellow Fever".
(Or is that racist? I can never tell...)
The university's name in the movie will be "University of Mellow River" but, for the movie poster, it'll be spray-painted over by one of the boys to say the movie's title: "Poon-iversity of Yellow Fever".
(Or is that racist? I can never tell...)
whatever
and how is Asian Americans leaving thier homes will reduce anti-asian racism? this talk of asian americans leaving thier homes because of racism sounds like ethnic cleansing and simply telling them to shut up and stop complaining
self-pity? is that you beneficiaries of institutionalized white privilege and racism like to call minorities that don't bend over backwards, standing up to racism? i will not be talked to in that tone of voice
yes because Bill Cosby is the type than make white previldge types like yourselves comfortable:
"Instead of taking the opportunity to discuss the ongoing struggles for educational equity, or to address the remaining barriers of unequal funding, racially-disparate tracking and discipline, and other obstacles to meaningful parity in our nation’s schools, Cosby spent his time bashing the black poor,"
"t was a truly classist diatribe, littered with inaccurate stereotypes, all of which proved that Cosby hasn’t known many poor black folks for a very long time, since only a small percentage of low-income African Americans commit crime, most actually place a high value on education, and only a small percentage get pregnant as minors, contrary to Cosby’s apoplectic rant."
"Black and brown poor folks are doing self-help all the time, contrary to the common media imagery. They have to; after all, they have enough experience with white institutions to know that such institutions have never done much to improve their situation, and nothing at all unless it was demanded and unless they were mobilized collectively to make it happen. But I see very little self-help or even self-reflection in the white community. Rarely do we spend time dealing with our own internalized racial biases and fears, or the discrimination that continues to plague people of color, and which only we have any control over, since the folks doing the discriminating are white like us. In fact, not only do we not reflect on it, we get angry when someone brings it up, which is why whites breathe a collective sigh of relief when someone like Cosby comes along and allows us to think our jobs are over."
http://www.timwise.org/2004/06/pers...-cosby-and-the-pathology-of-passing-the-buck/
telling people to go back to thier ancestral homeland instead of standing up for thier civil rights IS racism.
http://stuffwhitepeopledo.blogspot.com/2009/09/complain-about-racism-against-white.html
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2009/09/02/apop090209.DTL
http://www.racialicious.com/2009/09...paign-the-wacky-foreigner-jokes-on-americans/
