Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 hijacked, official says

nottyboi

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CNN is now reporting that the pilot and co-pilot did not ask to fly together. Maybe there was a fight in the cockpit?
zero info here, they may have bid on the same flight. At the most this indicates they were not co-conspirators.
 

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even when you don't purchase the option the engines are equipped with the electronics and they do send pings...apparently. This was said in an interview of some expert on CNN...
Not ACARS and not via satellite. The aircraft may be fitted with both ACARS and satellite, but if you don't buy the ACARS satellite package, the signals can't use the satcom. They'll send all the same things they would normally, but via VHF/UHF. It's not a subscription fee that if you pay you instantly get satcom ACARS, it's a retrofit that requires changing the actually electronics to interface.
 

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We aren't talking about the government, we're talking about a private enterprise. EDIT: Wait a minute, I just clued in to this...are you proposing that the plane was hijacked simply so that the pilots could rape the flight attendants? Have you met any commercial pilots? The reason I see SP's is because when women find out you fly big planes, they don't leave you alone and I'm not looking to settle down... It's certainly easy to get tail in this gig. Heck, when I flew jets in the military I had a harder time getting girls than I do as a commercial pilot.
We are talking about a corrupt Muslim government operating a state-run airline that only code-shares benefits with the One World Alliance. You can use all the "fuel costs this much, fuel costs that much" all you want, but pilots can purchase fuel using a corporate credit card at the airport, especially in this case the hub of MH. As for the issue with the Malaysian Air flight attendants who are hot, where did I say "rape the girls"? Where did I say it. What is true is this flight had them, 157 Chinese nationals, two (2) pilots, and suddenly we don't hear anything from anyone----not harried grannies like on the US airlines.

Those girls are not only hot, but young and extremely experienced to make sure all of the passengers and crew are safe. You dummy. It's highly likely they would be alive as the plane continued onward to hopefully land somewhere safe.

Gyaos.
 

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Not ACARS and not via satellite. The aircraft may be fitted with both ACARS and satellite, but if you don't buy the ACARS satellite package, the signals can't use the satcom. They'll send all the same things they would normally, but via VHF/UHF. It's not a subscription fee that if you pay you instantly get satcom ACARS, it's a retrofit that requires changing the actually electronics to interface.
It is possible they purchased it with the plane and discontinued the subscription, in which case it would contact the sattelite. This was an 11 year old plane. In either case some sort of signal was recorded from the plane at 8:11....

2. Acars

The Boeing 777’s Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System (Acars) – used to send short messages via a satellite or VHF radio – was shut off.

In most planes, the information part of the system can be shut down by hitting cockpit switches in sequence in order to get to a computer screen where an option must be selected using a keypad, said Goglia, an expert on aircraft maintenance.

Again, that could be done by the pilot or someone who had researched the system.

But to turn off the other part of the Acars, it would be necessary to go to an electronics bay beneath the cockpit. That’s something a pilot wouldn’t normally know how to do, Goglia said, and it wasn’t done in the case of the Malaysia plane. Thus, the ACARS transmitter continued to send out blips that were recorded by the satellite once an hour for four to five hours after the transponder was turned off.
 

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Not ACARS and not via satellite. The aircraft may be fitted with both ACARS and satellite, but if you don't buy the ACARS satellite package, the signals can't use the satcom. They'll send all the same things they would normally, but via VHF/UHF. It's not a subscription fee that if you pay you instantly get satcom ACARS, it's a retrofit that requires changing the actually electronics to interface.
Cliff Claven says so.
 

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It keeps being reported that the pilot was a "fanatical" supporter of the moderate multi-ethnic major opposition party in Malaysia.

With every other crazy theory and given that the government just concluded what all neutral parties view as a "show trial" against the leader of the opposition, I wonder if this involves another government effort to discredit the opposition?
 

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We are talking about a corrupt Muslim government operating a state-run airline that only code-shares benefits with the One World Alliance. You can use all the "fuel costs this much, fuel costs that much" all you want, but pilots can purchase fuel using a corporate credit card at the airport, especially in this case the hub of MH. As for the issue with the Malaysian Air flight attendants who are hot, where did I say "rape the girls"? Where did I say it. What is true is this flight had them, 157 Chinese nationals, two (2) pilots, and suddenly we don't hear anything from anyone----not harried grannies like on the US airlines.

Those girls are not only hot, but young and extremely experienced to make sure all of the passengers and crew are safe. You dummy. It's highly likely they would be alive as the plane continued onward to hopefully land somewhere safe.

Gyaos.
Well, this is how we know you don't know enough to be taken seriously on this topic: pilots don't "buy fuel". Airlines don't pay up front unless there's been a problem in the past (meaning they owe hundreds of thousands). No credit card is used. You order the fuel, the refueler shows up and pumps it in, someone signs for it (maybe the pilot, often ground crew) and confirms that tail numbers match, and the airline is billed. I have a corporate credit card, it does not have a $160,000 limit for me to buy $160,000 worth of fuel.

Besides, the plane had passengers and cargo. It couldn't carry a full load anyway. But I can guarantee it left with some space left over for gas. You don't know what you're talking about.

I don't doubt that they're dead, I doubted your theory that the motivation for this was to rape flight attendants. There is definitely a dummy in this conversation, but it's the guy talking like he understands how airlines work while saying things that everyone in the business would fall off their chair laughing at.
 

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It is possible they purchased it with the plane and discontinued the subscription, in which case it would contact the sattelite. This was an 11 year old plane. In either case some sort of signal was recorded from the plane at 8:11....

2. Acars

The Boeing 777’s Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System (Acars) – used to send short messages via a satellite or VHF radio – was shut off.

In most planes, the information part of the system can be shut down by hitting cockpit switches in sequence in order to get to a computer screen where an option must be selected using a keypad, said Goglia, an expert on aircraft maintenance.

Again, that could be done by the pilot or someone who had researched the system.

But to turn off the other part of the Acars, it would be necessary to go to an electronics bay beneath the cockpit. That’s something a pilot wouldn’t normally know how to do, Goglia said, and it wasn’t done in the case of the Malaysia plane. Thus, the ACARS transmitter continued to send out blips that were recorded by the satellite once an hour for four to five hours after the transponder was turned off.
I said ACARS is NOT a subscription. It's a module. I talked to my maintenance crew today. I don't fly 777s, but I do fly bigger Boeings. When you buy sat-enabled ACARS, you buy a module that has two plugs - one goes to the sattelite comm system, one to the engine. If you don't buy ACARS, you don't get the module. You can buy the module separately, but it's my understanding that Malaysian did not. I have confirmed with a friend who flies in that part of the world that they definitely didn't buy them on initial purchase. In any case, it remains my understanding, and I know for a fact that how my ACARS works, it doesn't send keep-alive's if it's been disabled.

I have read the "experts" opinions, and I watched some CNN today. Before my first flight, the expert that was on was saying the same thing you posted here - that it can be disabled by pressing buttons. Between my 2 flights, at the airport, CNN's expert was saying ACARS can only be disabled by crawling into the electronics bay. Their "experts" can't agree. Not to mention both made other comments that are factually false, so I am of the opinion that just because CNN says they're an expert doesn't mean they are.
 

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I am beginning to think that the airplane was shot down by mistake, and that some country is hiding it.
 

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I said ACARS is NOT a subscription. It's a module. I talked to my maintenance crew today. I don't fly 777s, but I do fly bigger Boeings. When you buy sat-enabled ACARS, you buy a module that has two plugs - one goes to the sattelite comm system, one to the engine. If you don't buy ACARS, you don't get the module. You can buy the module separately, but it's my understanding that Malaysian did not. I have confirmed with a friend who flies in that part of the world that they definitely didn't buy them on initial purchase. In any case, it remains my understanding, and I know for a fact that how my ACARS works, it doesn't send keep-alive's if it's been disabled.

I have read the "experts" opinions, and I watched some CNN today. Before my first flight, the expert that was on was saying the same thing you posted here - that it can be disabled by pressing buttons. Between my 2 flights, at the airport, CNN's expert was saying ACARS can only be disabled by crawling into the electronics bay. Their "experts" can't agree. Not to mention both made other comments that are factually false, so I am of the opinion that just because CNN says they're an expert doesn't mean they are.
Pray tell us, that you are NOT posting on Terb from the cockpit. Or I will never fly again.
 

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Pray tell us, that you are NOT posting on Terb from the cockpit. Or I will never fly again.
I'm done for the day. I don't shit where I work. I'm also a line captain, which means I tend to get rookie FOs that are fresh out of ground school and simulator training. I have a responsibility to teach them and that includes teaching by example. No checking of schedules or planning leave or analyzing pay stubs or surfing the net on my flight deck. I like to make them do stuff like manually double-check the flight computer's calculations. And if I'm asking them to read off intermediate values in the calculations, I need to do them myself to know if they're right. And if I'm quizzing them on checklist items that have to be memorized, I'm going to have the checklist in front of me to make sure I don't accuse them of being right if it's my memory that's bad. All in all, flying can be a really boring job, but as a line captain conduction indoc, I have more than enough to keep myself busy when the only required flying task is "monitor the autopilot".
 

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Russia has been known to shoot down civilian airplane(s).
So have the Americans.

I seem to recall that they shot down an Iranian airbus a few years ago that was going away from the US ship and climbing and the Americans thought that it was descending at them.

Killed everyone on board.
 

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I am beginning to think that the airplane was shot down by mistake, and that some country is hiding it.
If it was shot down - I got to think the US would know. Considering Korean Air was shot down over 30 years ago and the US had the soviet cockpit communications recorded, I am sure they would know if military action was taken.

If the Malayain airline was instead a bomber on a surprise nuclear strike over the Pacific - the US wouldn't know about the incoming aircraft ? That is the aspect I find amazing.
 

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I'm done for the day. I don't shit where I work. I'm also a line captain, which means I tend to get rookie FOs that are fresh out of ground school and simulator training. I have a responsibility to teach them and that includes teaching by example. No checking of schedules or planning leave or analyzing pay stubs or surfing the net on my flight deck. I like to make them do stuff like manually double-check the flight computer's calculations. And if I'm asking them to read off intermediate values in the calculations, I need to do them myself to know if they're right. And if I'm quizzing them on checklist items that have to be memorized, I'm going to have the checklist in front of me to make sure I don't accuse them of being right if it's my memory that's bad. All in all, flying can be a really boring job, but as a line captain conduction indoc, I have more than enough to keep myself busy when the only required flying task is "monitor the autopilot".
Thank you very much. I am relieved (but not surprised LOL)
 
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