Malaysia military tracked missing plane to west coast: source

[Aardvark154]

Now the head of the Royal Malaysian Air Force is denying his statement of yesterday (about the aircraft being tracked west of the Malay Peninsula).


http://www.theage.com.au/national/m...tracked-to-malacca-strait-20140312-34mqn.html



http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/...ies-saying-mh370-detected-over-malacca-strait

 

[danmand]

Now the head of the Royal Malaysian Air Force is denying his statement of yesterday (about the aircraft being tracked west of the Malay Peninsula).

Don't trust anything with Royal in its name.

 

[danmand]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-26544710

Malaysia Airlines plane 'could have landed'1 hour ago

The missing Malaysia Airlines plane could have landed somewhere, a former aviation executive has claimed.

Paul Charles, the former director of Virgin Atlantic, said the scenario was "farfetched" but "possible."

Flight MH370, which had 239 on board, disappeared on Saturday without sending a distress signal.

Mr Charles told BBC Radio 5 live's Breakfast: "If you're not transmitting anything from an aircraft and you've managed to avoid radar in some way... then absolutely it's feasible."

 

[Aardvark154]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-26544710

Malaysia Airlines plane 'could have landed'1 hour ago

The missing Malaysia Airlines plane could have landed somewhere, a former aviation executive has claimed.

Paul Charles, the former director of Virgin Atlantic, said the scenario was "farfetched" but "possible."

Flight MH370, which had 239 on board, disappeared on Saturday without sending a distress signal.

Mr Charles told BBC Radio 5 live's Breakfast: "If you're not transmitting anything from an aircraft and you've managed to avoid radar in some way... then absolutely it's feasible."

Academically at least this is an easy process of elimination. We know the range of the aircraft from where it disappeared, and we know that it needs a 2,000 meter (6,462 feet) runway to land. Such runways are not a dime a dozen, someone could physically look or reconnaissance photographs could be consulted.

 

[fuji]

Academically at least this is an easy process of elimination. We know the range of the aircraft from where it disappeared, and we know that it needs a 2,000 meter (6,462 feet) runway to land. Such runways are not a dime a dozen, someone could physically look or reconnaissance photographs could be consulted.

Playing along with the conspiracy theory, maybe the jet is now hidden under a canopy or in a hanger. Assuming that this was some James Bond movie kidnapping operation.

Incredible that not a single passenger got a text message, tweet, or phone call out.

 

[Aardvark154]

Playing along with the conspiracy theory, maybe the jet is now hidden under a canopy or in a hanger. Assuming that this was some James Bond movie kidnapping operation.

Incredible that not a single passenger got a text message, tweet, or phone call out.

Oh absolutely! I'm merely saying that proving or disproving this theory doesn't require extraordinary effort.

 

[GameBoy27]

Can one simply flick a switch and turn off the transponder and other tracking systems? Sounds a little strange to me, but I don't fly airliners.

 

[danmand]

Can one simply flick a switch and turn off the transponder and other tracking systems? Sounds a little strange to me, but I don't fly airliners.

From what I have heard, you can switch off the transponders, but it takes a bit more effort to turn off the automatic system, that sends performance data to home base. In addition, I just heard on CNN, that Rolls Royce may have received performance data from the engines on the plane.

 

[danmand]

Malaysian plane sent out engine data before vanishing
17:23 11 March 2014 by Paul Marks
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The missing Malaysia Airlines jet sent at least two bursts of technical data back to the airline before it disappeared, New Scientist has learned. The data may help investigators understand what went wrong with the aircraft, no trace of which has yet been found.

To aid maintenance, most airlines use the Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System (ACARS), which automatically collates and files four technical reports during every flight so that engineers can spot problems. These reports are sent via VHF radio or satellite at take-off, during the climb, at some point while cruising, and on landing.

Malaysia Airlines has not revealed if it has learned anything from ACARS data, or if it has any. Its eleventh media statement since the plane disappeared said: "All Malaysia Airlines aircraft are equipped with… ACARS which transmits data automatically. Nevertheless, there were no distress calls and no information was relayed."

This would suggest no concrete data is to hand. But New Scientist understands that the maker of the missing Boeing 777's Trent 800 engines, Rolls Royce, received two data reports from flight MH370 at its global engine health monitoring centre in Derby, UK, where it keeps real-time tabs on its engines in use. One was broadcast as MH370 took off from Kuala Lumpur International Airport, the other during the 777's climb out towards Beijing.

As the engine data is filtered from a larger ACARS report covering all the plane's critical flight systems and avionics, it could mean the airline has some useful clues about the condition of the aircraft prior to its disappearance. The plane does not appear to have been cruising long enough to issue any more ACARS reports. It disappeared from radar at 1.30 AM local time, halfway between Malaysia and Vietnam over the Gulf of Thailand.

Under International Civil Aviation Organisation rules, such reports are normally kept secret until air investigators need them.

 

[GPIDEAL]

Is it plausible that the plane could just sink into the
bottom of the ocean without leaving any debris on the
surface?

This is the scenario I have in my mind. The cabin
was depressurized due to mechanical failure. The
plane was guided by auto-pilot when the crew along
with the passengers lost their consciousness. The
plane continue flying until its fuel is exhausted.
I imagine the plane in its final moment was landing
on the surface of the sea like a gliding float plane
instead of nose-diving. I wonder if the impact upon
hitting the ocean might not be strong enough for the
plane to explode. If the plane was more or less intact
or at least it didn't break into small parts it might
be possible for it to vanish without a trace.

Yes it's possible but remember that the plane made an abrupt turn and someone turned off the transponder.

I don't think the main culprit was that everyone became unconscious including the pilots.

The NTSB guy on CNN said that it's possible that the pilot could've committed suicide.

I hope not but it's unlikely that it landed anywhere.

Don't know why the military is being so secretive unless it doesn't want to reveal it's radar capabilities for analysis by outside investigators.

 

[fuji]

Here is my stab in the dark:

The plane suffered a massive failure of the electrical system that rendered it unable to broadcast messages. The pilots were able to continue flying, but were unable to radio out. So they turned around and attempted to return to an airport for emergency landing. Whether they could actually navigate or we flying blind, who knows.

At some point the problems worsened and the plane went down.

There probably is a big debris field somewhere but far from last contact and now sinking or scattering.

 

[nottyboi]

Is it plausible that the plane could just sink into the
bottom of the ocean without leaving any debris on the
surface?

This is the scenario I have in my mind. The cabin
was depressurized due to mechanical failure. The
plane was guided by auto-pilot when the crew along
with the passengers lost their consciousness. The
plane continue flying until its fuel is exhausted.
I imagine the plane in its final moment was landing
on the surface of the sea like a gliding float plane
instead of nose-diving. I wonder if the impact upon
hitting the ocean might not be strong enough for the
plane to explode. If the plane was more or less intact
or at least it didn't break into small parts it might
be possible for it to vanish without a trace.

Anything is possible, but the plane was not close to running out of gas at that point. So if the crew was dead, and engines set to cruise, it would have hit the water at very high speed. Landing required a lot of config changes, flaps, throttle, etc etc. So at the very least someone would have to set the engines to idle or very low power. Without flaps it would land pretty fast. While it may be able to avoid breakup at night that would be so hard to do, with no pilot 1/1000000chance.

BUT !!! Maybe they had decompression, set a decent rate and then died while the plane was set to decend at a controlled rate. after they turned around. Perhaps cockpit oxygen failed and they died at the controls. Plane continued on heading and gently flew into the water at a shallow glide slope.

 

[whitewaterguy]

Sure DM, let's start another thread on this missing plane.

words from the mouth of one mega poster who starts threads about any, and all bits of random detritus housed in his numb skull. Still watching your War Horse DVD?

 

[danmand]

words from the mouth of one mega poster who starts threads about any, and all bits of random detritus housed in his numb skull. Still watching your War Horse DVD?

One has to wonder how he find time to date all the supermodels.

 

[Aardvark154]

Still watching your War Horse DVD?

What's wrong with War Horse?

 

[nottyboi]

More and more I am convince the this is a suicide by the pilot. Wanting the $$ to look after his family or not wanting to leave the stigma of murder suicide on his family, he flew the plane to the **************s Trench and put it in the water there, nice and gently to reduce the break up and not scatter debris. I suspect they will be able to track the plane from the handshake. It will require precise timing and some incredibly accurate calculations, but using satellite position and handshake intervals they can come up with a pretty accurate position, esp if the planes handshake was received by more then one satellite. Petty crazy shit But if I wanted to pull of something like this I would stick the plane somewhere really deep, and the **************s Trench would fit the bill. What a effing mofo of a thing.

 

[Scooter Brown]

More and more I am convince the this is a suicide by the pilot. Wanting the $$ to look after his family or not wanting to leave the stigma of murder suicide on his family, he flew the plane to the **************s Trench and put it in the water there, nice and gently to reduce the break up and not scatter debris. I suspect they will be able to track the plane from the handshake. It will require precise timing and some incredibly accurate calculations, but using satellite position and handshake intervals they can come up with a pretty accurate position, esp if the planes handshake was received by more then one satellite. Petty crazy shit But if I wanted to pull of something like this I would stick the plane somewhere really deep, and the **************s Trench would fit the bill. What a effing mofo of a thing.

I'm almost certain that they cannot pinpoint exact position with ACARS. Minimum 3 satellites are required for triangulation and they must be tightly synchronized (as GPS satellites are). I may be wrong, but ACARS works in the way that the plane sends engine data etc. and its exact position to satellites, based on its own GPS tracking. It wasn't the case. The plane was sending only pings. From what I read, they hypothesize that the plane is somewhere within the large arc that covers the area from Turkmenistan, over India, through Southeastern Asia, all the way down to South Indian Ocean. It's highly unlikely that it went NorthWest (over India), because skies are watched very closely there. More likely, the plane went SouthWest to Indian Ocean. If that is the case, it may never be found in the large area with no landmass any near. The Indian ocean there is much deeper than the Atlantic where Air France plane crashed (was it in 2009?). If I remember correctly, it took them 2 years to obtain voice recorders from the ocean floor in Air France case.

 

[blackrock13]

words from the mouth of one mega poster who starts threads about any, and all bits of random detritus housed in his numb skull. Still watching your War Horse DVD?

Don't ever let the facts get in the way of a good chubby producing fairy tale for WWG. As anyone who can read would see that I've started about 50 threads in the last 6 months. DM has started more than that in the last 6 weeks. Another classic WWG claim shot to hell. Back to the swamp bug.

 

[bazokajoe]

Nobody knows where this plane is.If they did they would have found it by now.