And the best grapplers could probably beat Bruce in a wrestling or Jiu Jitsu match.
man Bruce Lee was awesome.. !!!
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I'm not sure what are you trying to suggest. I hope you are not trying to say Royce gracie can beat Bruce? lol. Royce has no standup at all, he will get knocked out (he won't get Bruce to the ground.) Bruce had displayed knowledge of grabbling and submission as well (this includes rear naked choke, guillotine choke, side choke, takedowns, etc.) The point is Bruce is well rounded, he knows enough grabbling and submission and has the strength and speed to submit his opponent or get out of a submission attempt by his opponent. Chuck is a one dimensional fighter and not a good one either. He won tournaments by scoring more points than his karate opponents, based strictly in karate rules and in a karate environment. So if Chuck is to step out of his comfortable environment then he is no longer protected from those rules; therefore, he will get knocked out or submitted very shortly. What will happen, will depend on who he is fighting (I wasn't necessary referring to chuck fighting Royce.)
Also, keep in mind, Bruce standup game is amazing, so good luck trying to get him on the ground in the first place. His techniques, speed and power (he has great knockout power) are not easy to overcome. Besides, ground work is useful in the octagon but not necessary in a real fight (even MMA have its rules.) There are so many techniques (like triangle choke and armbar for example which I know will not work in a real street fight.) You just need to know how to get out of them (it's not hard at all) and Bruce know how to get out of a bad situation. And lets not all forget that Bruce was doing this decades ago. So you comparing Chuck with Bruce is stupid.
And by the way, why are ppl putting Bruce in his opponent's environment and comparing the situation anyways (like fighting karate guys in a karate match, a tae kwon do guy in a tae kwon do match or a grappler in a grappling match.) Any logical thinking person will know it's unfair to begin with having Bruce to follow their rules (not that I think he will lose, just making a point.) If you have to imagine putting Bruce in that situation (meaning in a handicapped situation) in order for that person to even stand a chance against Bruce, then that opponent is not worth mentioning.
The fight should be anything goes - as simply as that and it's fair. At the end, Bruce will win, simple as that.
Just because you say so. Lets say u r right, there are some inaccurate info for example, so I guess all the info on there are incorrect? So I guess all other sources are 100% right? That's why they (Wikipeida) are one of the top websites visited right. Maybe you have more facts, why don't you create your own online encyclopedia site.
No...I just said some Wikipedia facts are known to be wrong though not all info on Wikipedia is incorrect...
And its one of the top websites visited because its one of the easiest and quickest ways to access information....
Wikipedia is so simplistic and straightforward that any idiot can use it...
Dude...
You're getting your arguments mixed up...
Some other guys made some of those points in your post...I never mentioned Chuck versus Bruce and who would win...
Bruce Lee was a great fighter but he's not superhuman....
Displaying some knowledge of grappling is different from mastering it or even being able to use it (or defend it) effectively.....
And don't fool yourself he could be taken down - nothing is ever 100 percent in fighting ...
If Bruce Lee fought some of the top guys from certain martial arts he could lose in a fight (and I also mean a street fight as well)...An Olympic level wrestler, a Lumpinee Muay Thai Champion or a World Class Boxer could beat Bruce Lee though its possible Bruce Lee could beat them as well...."But" if they were a lot bigger in size (let's safely say at least 50 pounds - 185) I would say its almost a certainty that they would beat Lee....
Of course eye jabs, kick to the balls and punches to the throat may throw everything off as you can never can tell how people will react to those type of strikes....Some guys can shrug it off and work through it and some guys will go down hard and be out of the fight....
And why wouldn't an armbar not work in a streetfight? If you get your arm caught in a armbar your arm is pretty much done...If you're wearing a long sleeve shirt or jacket you're not slipping out of the submission (and you're fooling yourself if you think you can get out of a armbar that is locked in)....A triangle would be difficult to pull off in a streetfight because of clothes and shoes but an armbar could be done...In fact I've seen it done at a club by a bouncer on a unruly partron...
I think you're suffering from too much movies and not enough reality....
100% agree.
tommy boy is a Bruce Lee nuthugger to the highest possible degree I'm afraid.
The one thing I will add is that Lee was always evolving and in time would most likely have developed top level submission skills as well as wrestling.
He wasn't chained to any one system or fighting style and had the pure athletic ability to do almost what ever he wanted.
He was a legend no doubt and a visionary but was he the best fighter of all time. Who knows.
This is a thread about Bruce Lee and I'm here to input my views about him. No one is asking you to join this thread or read what you don't want to. And it's o.k. don't be afraid I have an extra ball for you.
God...finally, someone with some sense.
When it comes to fighting theres no black and white...you pit two guys of somewhat similar skill levels and it could be anybody's fight on any given day. If Bruce were alive today he'd probably be the first guy to tell you that (He was cocky but not stupid). Thats part of the reason why he based his fighting system around ending a fight ASAP; because the longer you tussle with a guy the higher the likelihood that you could lose OR win, so why take the chance?
He understood a fight....he certainly knew how to fight (that was evident)....but I dont know about this "superhuman" greatest fighter ever angle
Well, like I said if you know what you are doing, you can get out of an armbar attempt. (I didn't say wait till it's lock in, coz i agree it would be too late at that point. ) Let's just say I would feel sorry for the guy's balls.
Anyways, obviously this debate is going nowhere. You have your opionion and I have my views.
When Tiger Woods was by far and away the best golfer in the world and dominating the game, this nonsense here is like someone saying 'yeah but he couldn't beat the Long Drive champion'.
It's not just someone - a 7th Degree Dan Black Belt in Kung Fu who owned his own chain of Kung Fu studios.
Well this doesnt really confirm anything... its just someone's opinion; who may or may not have a thing for dinosaurs
