Man Held for Threatening to Kill Someone, Released on Bail & Follows Through

alex4you2

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so we can't blame anybody except the guy who did it, but at the same time we did nothing to protect the woman's life.
the police only arrest the guy AFTER he killed her.

wouldnt logic dictate that maybe she should have been afforded the right to i dunno, protect herself?
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In this idiotic "justice system" we live in, if she had dared to defend herself and killed the guy instead, she most probably end up in jail for a long time.

Some morons out there are going to say "she should have called 911 for help".... yeah, right...
 

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In this idiotic "justice system" we live in, if she had dared to defend herself and killed the guy instead, she most probably end up in jail for a long time.

Some morons out there are going to say "she should have called 911 for help".... yeah, right...
+1, she should have been provided with AK-47 to protect herself, as they do it in all civilized countries
 

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I'm pretty sure self-defense is not allowed in Canada, and punishable by minimum 20 years in jail
and you would be wrong, however we live in a time in canada where the prosecutor will actually charge you and make you defend yourself in court in order to scare people away from protecting themselves.

34. (1) Every one who is unlawfully assaulted without having provoked the assault is justified in repelling force by force if the force he uses is not intended to cause death or grievous bodily harm and is no more than is necessary to enable him to defend himself.

(2) Every one who is unlawfully assaulted and who causes death or grievous bodily harm in repelling the assault is justified if

(a) he causes it under reasonable apprehension of death or grievous bodily harm from the violence with which the assault was originally made or with which the assailant pursues his purposes; and
(b) he believes, on reasonable grounds, that he cannot otherwise preserve himself from death or grievous bodily harm. [R.S. c.C-34, s.34.]
 

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In this idiotic "justice system" we live in, if she had dared to defend herself and killed the guy instead, she most probably end up in jail for a long time.

Some morons out there are going to say "she should have called 911 for help".... yeah, right...
+1, she should have been provided with AK-47 to protect herself, as they do it in all civilized countries
why does it have to be 2 extreme opposite sides? why cant there be a reasonable middle ground?
 

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why does it have to be 2 extreme opposite sides? why cant there be a reasonable middle ground?
Our system provides a reasonable middle ground. If you have a crazy boyfriend you might get hurt. If it happens then we will prosecute him and put him in jail. Seems pretty reasonable to me. If you are aware of a jurisdiction where things are organized better, name it please.
 

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Just heard this report on CFRB - Hope the Judge or Justice of the Peace is proud of their complicity

The man charged in the death of a 27 year old woman in Etobicoke on the weekend, was already out on bail.

Toronto Police held a press conference on Monday, updating their investigation into the city's 3rd murder of 2013.

30 year old Emmanuel Owusu-Ansah was arrested in Mississauga on Saturday and charged with first degree murder.

Detective Sgt Brian Borg from Toronto Police says he was already on bail, facing 8 charges including assault with a weapon, and uttering death threats.

Borg went on to confirm that those charges related to the same victim as this murder.

While the body hasn't been positively identified, police say it was a very violent incident, with the woman first stabbed to death and then her body set on fire.

One of the conditions of Owusu-Ansah's bail was that he remained under house arrest, a condition he allegedly broke.

Police say it was around 7 o'clock on Saturday morning that officers were called to an area around Weston Road and Eglinton for reports of trouble.

Owusu-Ansah was arrested around 9:45 in the Hurontario and Eglinton area of Mississauga.

Detective Sgt Borg says while they do have a person in custody, the investigation is far from over.

He says a number of things were found at the murder scene, and they've released photos in hopes someone has more information
If only the woman was allowed to carry a handgun. he confronted her and there was an argument, she had plenty of time to shoot him IF he even would try knowing he risked death....another helpless victim
 

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If only the woman was allowed to carry a handgun. he confronted her and there was an argument, she had plenty of time to shoot him IF he even would try knowing he risked death....another helpless victim
Wouldnt this have been a perfect case for atc-3?

Funny how armoured truck guards get them when money is involved, but an average citizen's life isnt worth it.
 

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Our system provides a reasonable middle ground. If you have a crazy boyfriend you might get hurt. If it happens then we will prosecute him and put him in jail. Seems pretty reasonable to me. If you are aware of a jurisdiction where things are organized better, name it please.

You';re forgetting one thing, the victim is already dead. What has the system done to protect the victim from getting killed?

And what kind of person considers getting killed and only AFTER that fact the police do something to be a "reasonable middle ground"? seriously?
 

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If only the woman was allowed to carry a handgun. he confronted her and there was an argument, she had plenty of time to shoot him IF he even would try knowing he risked death....another helpless victim
If only she was able to hire a body guard, she might be alive, so what? No guarantee or evidence exists that a hand gun would have made the outcome any better. I wonder if you've shot a gun or killed a lived thing with a gun. You seem think it's so easy.

Making shit up again. How do you know she had/would have plenty of time to shoot?
 

Phil C. McNasty

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I'm pretty sure self-defense is not allowed in Canada, and punishable by minimum 20 years in jail
and you would be wrong, however we live in a time in canada where the prosecutor will actually charge you and make you defend yourself in court in order to scare people away from protecting themselves.

34. (1) Every one who is unlawfully assaulted without having provoked the assault is justified in repelling force by force if the force he uses is not intended to cause death or grievous bodily harm and is no more than is necessary to enable him to defend himself.

(2) Every one who is unlawfully assaulted and who causes death or grievous bodily harm in repelling the assault is justified if

(a) he causes it under reasonable apprehension of death or grievous bodily harm from the violence with which the assault was originally made or with which the assailant pursues his purposes; and
(b) he believes, on reasonable grounds, that he cannot otherwise preserve himself from death or grievous bodily harm. [R.S. c.C-34, s.34.]
Dude, I was being sarcastic.

Sorry, next time I'll use a sarcasm smiley :)
 

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In this idiotic "justice system" we live in, if she had dared to defend herself and killed the guy instead, she most probably end up in jail for a long time.

Some morons out there are going to say "she should have called 911 for help".... yeah, right...
How many people in Canada have ended up in jail for "a long time" for defending themselves?

You can't really believe that stuff you just typed.
 

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If only the woman was allowed to carry a handgun. he confronted her and there was an argument, she had plenty of time to shoot him IF he even would try knowing he risked death....another helpless victim
You do realize that if potential victims are allowed to carry handguns that means the potential murderers get the same deal.

You do also realize that two large recent studies have shown that carrying a gun makes you more likely to be a victim of violence than not.

And you do realize that jurisdictions where people are allowed to carry handguns generally have much higher violent crime rates than say...Ontario.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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If only the woman was allowed to carry a handgun. he confronted her and there was an argument, she had plenty of time to shoot him IF he even would try knowing he risked death....another helpless victim
Yup, I'd feel a lot safer having a gun in my home after I was just threatened with deaths.

I dont understand why Liberals can't get this through their thick skulls
 

blackrock13

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Yup, I'd feel a lot safer having a gun in my home after I was just threatened with deaths.

I dont understand why Liberals can't get this through their thick skulls
...... but then you're a big burly hunk of a guy who likes that kind of thing. Others might just call it a cold steel teddy bear. Well, maybe not that big and burly, so hey.
 

msog87

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You do realize that if potential victims are allowed to carry handguns that means the potential murderers get the same deal.

You do also realize that two large recent studies have shown that carrying a gun makes you more likely to be a victim of violence than not.

And you do realize that jurisdictions where people are allowed to carry handguns generally have much higher violent crime rates than say...Ontario.
he would have had to buy the gun illegally. what youre saying is bullshit, she was ALREADY a victim of crime before the murder, so youre trying to tell me having a gun would have made her situation worse? a woman with a psycho homicidal stalker? f*ck off SHES DEAD!
 

msog87

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Yup, I'd feel a lot safer having a gun in my home after I was just threatened with deaths.

I dont understand why Liberals can't get this through their thick skulls
no liberals do get it, the elites love their guns. as soon as a liberal needs a gun they get one they are hypocrites.
 

blackrock13

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no liberals do get it, the elites love their guns. as soon as a liberal needs a gun they get one they are hypocrites.
Really? Knowing how you love to make stuff up, what do you base this on? A MSOG hunch? I wonder NDP'ers do? You sure are in love that word liberal.

As asked earlier, have you ever shot a gun or killed anything with one?
 

msog87

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Really? Knowing how you love to make stuff up, what do you base this on? A MSOG hunch? A wonder NDP'ers do? You sure are in love that word liberal
go ask mayor bloomberg and his elitist friends in NYC, they have guns and the common man does not. all the celebs with armed guards and how can we forget obama
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Really? Knowing how you love to make stuff up, what do you base this on? A MSOG hunch?
When Bob Rae was premier of Ont. he had security detail who carried Glocks. I remember there was a big stink about that because Bob wouldnt let TO cops have Glocks, they had to carry peashooters.

Eventually he came around when he saw his own hypocrisy, and let our cops have Glocks
 
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