Man jailed over attempt to import child sex doll

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No child is being harmed. He was convicted because of what was in his mind.

Welcome to the thought police.
What's next? You're caught with porn depicting underage looking girls. Turns out they're actually 18+ but since you were fantasizing about them being underage, you're guilty of a crime.

Agreed. It's only a matter of time before the doll stops satisfying them & they turn to real children.
Have any proof to back up that statement? Otherwise I call BS.
 

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Look at it. It's a facsimile of a child. Anyone can see that.

It's enabling child abuse. By thinking it's ok to create and normalize it via proxy.
You do realize that's like saying we facilitate trafficking via proxy, right?
 

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Agreed. It's only a matter of time before the doll stops satisfying them & they turn to real children.
Is this based on personal experience ? I am not aware of any studies. It seems to be the same logic as pornography leads to rape.

I like the idea that a sicko has an outlet for his fantasies that doesn't involve real children. These sickos could be hard to track down until they destroy a life - I'd rather give them the sex doll. My revulsion of their perversion is a long second to preventing them from molesting/murdering kids.
 

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http://www.kentonline.co.uk/maidstone/news/grandfather-ordered-lifelike-child-sex-doll-160380/

Brian Leach claimed he only ordered the £500 doll from a company in China as a companion and did not intend to have sex with it.The 62-year-old NHS worker was also found to have 278 child sex abuse images on his computer, 29 of which were in the most serious category.

I know I’m wandering into a swamp here. I can understand how (and why) it MUST be illegal to possess child pornography, especially whatever “the most serious category” means. Lock this sicko up.

The doll seems fucked to me, but I’m a bit surprised it’s technically illegal to possess (or import) a likeness to a child in the form of a sex doll (or imagery). Clearly, keeping it illegal will be a decent deterrent for some of those considering a silicon proxy for their urges, but it appears to me to be an excellent reason for these people to go further underground in-terms of their attempts to feed their proclivities.

I don’t see this as significantly more distasteful than role play that involves scenarios related to rape, incest and anything pedophilia-adjacent. Shouldn’t this be illegal as well?

These are all ‘signs’ that clearly indicate these people need to be evaluated by mental health professionals, and certainly investigated by law enforcement. But, you can’t investigate or evaluate those who effectively operate in the darkest of dark places in society.

From what I read, treatment, in-particular chemical castration, seems like it has better outcomes than punishment (alone). Treating these sickos for being mentally unwell BEFORE they act on their urges would to me be the obvious way to protect children.

Just a thought, but if it were legal to import these dolls or even sell these dolls, LE might have a better chance at identifying potential (or actual) child rapists. It’d be like a silicon honey trap.
 

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vice media claims pedos like him are "harmless"
Any chance you will back this up?

There are a lot of articles on Vice about pedophilia, but I couldn’t find a single one containing the word “harmless.”
 

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Any chance you will back this up?

There are a lot of articles on Vice about pedophilia, but I couldn’t find a single one containing the word “harmless.”
Yes but 3-4 years ago the media started to push that "Pedophilia is not a crime it's a disorder" OR "it's an orientation same as you be a gay "....etc bullshit but it was too early and the people weren't ready to buy it!!
I'm sure sooner or later when they have enough time to brainwash the public, that agressive liberal LGBTQ ( later LGBTQP ) community will make it legal. Sick bastards!

https://www.google.ca/search?q=pedophilia+is+not+a+crime&rlz=1C1KMZB_enCA776CA776&oq=pedophilia+is+not+a+crime&aqs=chrome..69i57.10923j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
 

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There are a lot of articles on Vice about pedophilia, but I couldn’t find a single one containing the word “harmless.”
So you read a lot of articles about pedophilia ? I admit I don't share your pedo passion for reading but I doubt you would find police write much about most 'harmless' activities.

There is no argument from me that pedo-ponography depicting the rape of real children should be banned as it obviously is documenting a crime against kids. The sale of this sick material fuels the crime that it represents - no question.

Acknowledging that a certain percentage of the population is drawn to this perverse activity, anything that you can do to keep it from affecting real kids should be accepted. It should be our number one objective. If we establish high penalty for those convicted and provide an alternative that doesn't affect child safety - I'm for it. I can't understand those who put child safety second.
 

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A case can be made for arresting someone who likes child sex toys, and letting him do whatever he wants, since it's a plastic toy.

However, if someone watching child sex movies or photos is charged despite those technically just being bits and bytes and he had nothing to do with making the movie, then a child sex toy perv should be charged too.

But then again, taking drugs, selling drugs, and killing is illegal.

But nobody seems to have a problem with everyone watching movies or playing video games and killing 1,000s of people. Or Grand Theft Auto which is everything you can ask for.... killing cops, innocent people, drugs, crime, hijacking cars etc...
 

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Yes but 3-4 years ago the media started to push that "Pedophilia is not a crime it's a disorder" OR "it's an orientation same as you be a gay "....etc bullshit but it was too early and the people weren't ready to buy it!!
I'm sure sooner or later when they have enough time to brainwash the public, that agressive liberal LGBTQ ( later LGBTQP ) community will make it legal. Sick bastards!
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https://www.google.ca/search?q=pedophilia+is+not+a+crime&rlz=1C1KMZB_enCA776CA776&oq=pedophilia+is+not+a+crime&aqs=chrome..69i57.10923j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
“Pedophilia is not a crime it’s a disorder”

I had never heard of G Craige Lewis and exministries.com before searching the quote. He seems like quite the Christian, but I didn’t really find much to back up what you said.

“It’s an orientation same as you be a gay”

Unfortunately, I had less luck with that quote. Is it possible whoever said it originally said it without those grammar errors?

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Those sneaky LGBTQ2 preverts. Always trying to normalize the abhorrent.

I wasn’t able to back up any of your post after reading the first handful of pages in your linked search.

Out of curiosity, why does the international Queer community want to make pedophilia legal? Seems like an odd fight for them considering the outstanding grievances of these ‘people.’
 

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So you read a lot of articles about pedophilia ? I admit I don't share your pedo passion for reading but I doubt you would find police write much about most 'harmless' activities.

There is no argument from me that pedo-ponography depicting the rape of real children should be banned as it obviously is documenting a crime against kids. The sale of this sick material fuels the crime that it represents - no question.

Acknowledging that a certain percentage of the population is drawn to this perverse activity, anything that you can do to keep it from affecting real kids should be accepted. It should be our number one objective. If we establish high penalty for those convicted and provide an alternative that doesn't affect child safety - I'm for it. I can't understand those who put child safety second.
So there’s this thing called “Google.” It’s really high tech and I’m not going to get into it, but it’s not complicated to use.

Type words like “vice pedophile harmless” (without quotations) and you’ll find that you don’t need to even read the articles to know C-M and his ideological echo chamber compatriots either can’t read, didn’t read or did in fact read these articles, but has chosen to use trademark spin to present the story he wants, rather than what is the reality.

Out of curiosity, where did you get the impression I “read a lot of articles about pedophilia” or have any kind of “pedo passion”?

In a previous post I wrote “From what I read, treatment, in-particular chemical castration, seems like it has better outcomes than punishment (alone).”

Have you never ever read an article of any kind about pedophilia?
 

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So you read a lot of articles about pedophilia ? I admit I don't share your pedo passion for reading but I doubt you would find police write much about most 'harmless' activities.

There is no argument from me that pedo-ponography depicting the rape of real children should be banned as it obviously is documenting a crime against kids. The sale of this sick material fuels the crime that it represents - no question.

Acknowledging that a certain percentage of the population is drawn to this perverse activity, anything that you can do to keep it from affecting real kids should be accepted. It should be our number one objective. If we establish high penalty for those convicted and provide an alternative that doesn't affect child safety - I'm for it. I can't understand those who put child safety second.
people in my twitter feed post links to vice articles
 

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A case can be made for arresting someone who likes child sex toys, and letting him do whatever he wants, since it's a plastic toy.

However, if someone watching child sex movies or photos is charged despite those technically just being bits and bytes and he had nothing to do with making the movie, then a child sex toy perv should be charged too.
I hope I’m not coming across as defending the guy from the OP, as I absolutely believe he needs to be locked the fuck up, BUT, I have been under the impression that even if the possessor didn’t make the child pornography, by downloading it (or whatever he did), he’s created a demand for the product, which fuels child abusers to create additional supply.

By ensuring possession remains super duper illegal, one would hope that eventually demand drops off enough so that the content creators will stop their brutal attacks on these kids.

Full-disclosure, this is complete conjecture as I don’t know much about this filth.
 

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“Pedophilia is not a crime it’s a disorder”

I had never heard of G Craige Lewis and exministries.com before searching the quote. He seems like quite the Christian, but I didn’t really find much to back up what you said.

“It’s an orientation same as you be a gay”

Unfortunately, I had less luck with that quote. Is it possible whoever said it originally said it without those grammar errors?

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Those sneaky LGBTQ2 preverts. Always trying to normalize the abhorrent.

I wasn’t able to back up any of your post after reading the first handful of pages in your linked search.

Out of curiosity, why does the international Queer community want to make pedophilia legal? Seems like an odd fight for them considering the outstanding grievances of these ‘people.’
https://www.phillymag.com/news/2014/10/06/pedophilia-not-a-crime-rutgers-margo-kaplan/

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/paedophilia-sexual-orientation-straight-gay-criminal-psychologist-child-sex-abuse-a6965956.html

It call baiting. They post a few article about it where " doctors, experts...etc" tell their opinion. Posted on a few not too big but enough readers news site, and they were curious about the average people's reaction. It wasn't too positive so it's on hold for now but not forever.

Maybe they don't want to make it legal, but if these "psychologist" or " law professors" able to convince a few judge about this "pedophilia is not a crime because you born this way" bullshit, those child rapers will never serve a single days in the jail in the future, and they could make sexual action against any underage children, without any consequences.
 

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I thought it was counted you have a potential intention for child porn when you got a lifelike child sex doll, just like in some countries, if you are found get a pistol, you will be charged with felony gun possession. Even you didn't do anything wrong with children, you are also assumed to.
 

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Always keep in mind the killing of Holly Jones right here in Toronto when you are debating whether pedophiles are satisfied by substitutes.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/new...-guilty-tohollyjoness-murder/article25679175/

The man who pleaded guilty to murdering 10-year-old Holly Jones at a Toronto court Thursday morning fulfilled his "dark secret" when he abducted, sexually assaulted, and dismembered her shortly after viewing and becoming aroused by child pornography."
 

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Child pornography has to be banned in order to
protect children from exploitation. At least that is
what I thought to be the basis of the criminal law
against it. If the rationale is that child pornography
is illegal because it led to abduction, rape and
murder of children we should criminalize adult
pornography as well.

Never ever once entertained myself to child pornography
so I have no idea what it is like. But I doubt they contain more
sexual violences than adult pornography.
 
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