if you are constantly rejected by women the problem is you. you need to improve yourself and focus on your self and stop chasing women
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I've never met an incel in the real world at least who thought the problem was anyone but themselves.
In the mid 90s when incel was invcel and a small email list of a bunch of chill dudes [and our lesbian leader] there was two groups, those who were trying to fix things with themselves and those who figured it was impossible and gave up. Neither group blames women.
Also for not chasing women. Yeah right. Unless you got something strong going for you that's a perfect way to give up all chance of ever getting someone. All the success I've had involved me having to make my moves.
They didn’t pay for women’s drinks with the intention to seduce them, anymore. The only time they would buy a round was when they genuinely wanted to.
Go to bars? If so buy some random woman a drink? Yeah, no. Not gonna happen. Hell you would have to talk to one and indicate interest. Also I find the whole buying drinks for random strangers to bother my sense of non feminist gender equality. Oddly the two most feminist dudes I know were also the most beta in this regard. Isn't that ironic, dontcha think.
They didn’t stop what they were doing just because a cute girl texted them.
Being texted by a cute girl? I know the words you are using but I don't understand the context. What a wonderful and magical world you are living in. [I am too old for the texting thing, in my last relationship I only got a text when trying to set things up [I'm at your door, I'm running late, I'll pick you up instead at the Metro station]
To be fair, I knew one who would so do this... if he got texts from cute girls, or had a cell phone when we used to hang.
They didn’t go out with women just because they were beautiful. If they didn’t have an appealing personality or a great energy they weren’t interested.
Going out with women? We are talking about guys who can't get dates right? Also everyone I've known who did get hooked up, did so with women of their looks level. They were not incel because they were chasing only the beautiful.
They became the guys who talked to attractive women the same way they talked to men or women they had no interest in.
Pretty much every incel I know. Except in my case I have no trouble talking to attractive women, as long as I don't try to ask them out, then the terror comes but then I have no interest asking out men or women I have no interest in so I guess I do this..
They didn’t turn around when a hot girl walked by.
Why not, if women show no interest in you, you might as well. There is a boondocks quote I could use here.
They didn’t chat about how sexy various ‘chicks’ were.
Most don't. I'm guilty, never hurt my chances though guy talk is for guys.
They didn’t go out with the intention to pick up women, anymore.
Again I thought we were talking about dudes who have no chance with women. I can assure you that none of them go out with the intention of picking up women, any more then they go to an NHL game with the intention of scoring the game winning goal.
You might ask yourself now, “But if they stopped actively looking for women, how the hell did they meet them, then?” Simple. By investing in themselves.
Again we are talking about hard cases here. I'll agree for the sake of argument that this could raise the game of a guy who is already operating at a moderate level. It won't do much for the guy who says he is going to puke when his buds buy him an air dance [not a lap dance] for his birthday, true story, it was actually funny.
Also the majority of incels that's I've known who managed to settle down, none of them changed anything, they let time do it's magic, every dogcel has it's day, woof! but they were not the hardest cases.
I've read this three times and I haven't a clue what you are trying to say. Bottom?
Sorry, that's me doing a dork.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bottom
Character, reliability, staying power, dignity, integrity or sound judgment.
Didn't quite use it correctly. Basically, if someone has the nads to murder hobo, they should be able to have the nads to get a woman. Murdering people is pretty fucked up but it isn't lazy.
I believe that Eliot whatshisface has issues which would explain why looks, money and his father being in the entertainment industry just wasn't enough.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Isla_Vista_killings#Mental_health_and_social_problems
That van twat in Toronto was also pretty dysfunctional.
However if you got someone who doesn't slobber all over himself and meow like a cat [van guy] or has a list of mental health issues that would choke a donkey like Elliot whatshisface and has enough get up and go to kill people, one would figure they would have enough get up and go to get women.
Neither of those two were dealing with a full deck. The ones I've known were either normal or at worse has some sort of social anxiety and or depression. Pretty harmless conditions, at least for other people. For those people I am guessing if they had that sort of drive, they would find someone, do enough street harassment and eventually someone will say yes.
Seriously. You think this is even an option? Or belongs in the same conversation as the other two?
Because I can assure you that it doesn't.
I did say "Most sane people assume sex is the result of the choice of 2 people [or more]." 1 person can't make the choice to have sex*, that would be called rape.
I hope we can agree on that.
Thus I don't consider being an incel a choice because I don't consider rape to be an option.
Being a militant incel however is a choice.
* yeah yeah Masturbation, but we are not taking about going downtown on the alone train.