says the dude who has never been n a situatuon like thst before. great. means alot. keep talkng out your ass... looks good on you
Man with knife on streetcar at Dundas and Grace, shot by police
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says the dude who has never been n a situatuon like thst before. great. means alot. keep talkng out your ass... looks good on you
There are countless situations when "professionals" with lots of experience have made dumb and deadly mistakes. My argument is that it is very difficult to control yet alone shut off adrenaline rushes or survival instincts no matter how much training, how much armour, or how much back up you have.You're saying that the cop had no other options but to shoot this kid dead while lying on the floor. This is fucking pathetic. (Someone else told me adrenaline is the culprit - give me a fucking break - they are professionals and they face adrenaline rushes in their job - he wasn't being shot at, nor did he get stabbed).
The thing with cops (and lots of other jobs) is that a lot of their work is mundane and a small percentage are tense situations like this. There is stress management training of course, but all of that changes when you're in a real life tense situation.
save it. this dudes most stressed out decision was whether to go down on a chick that does bbfs ot not.There are countless situations when "professionals" with lots of experience have made dumb and deadly mistakes. My argument is that it is very difficult to control yet alone shut off adrenaline rushes or survival instincts no matter how much training, how much armour, or how much back up you have.
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keyboard warriors... awesome.
first be in a situation like thst.. thrn tell us all how it works.But as police officers, they must set aside any personal feelings and act in the best interest of public safety. Including the safety (or safe apprehension) of SY.
On the Internet, you can be whatever you want; why are you choosing to be so stupid?
are you mildly retarded?
Keyboard warrior? Sounds like a classic pot/kettle to me. In "an army", huh? I didn't realize the Salvation Army on Dundas West required enlisting to be able to shop there.
tjwts what you post
? and your worried about thia being sidetracked?
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and yes.... he should have been shot....
It's pretty simple. You're brandishing a knife within three paces of a police officer who is pointing a loaded gun at you. He tells you to drop the knife. You do anything OTHER than drop the knife, things will end badly for you. You make the SLIGHTEST move towards that officer and it's the last move you ever make.
That is technically correct, and thats why I think the officer will be exonerated.It's pretty simple. You're brandishing a knife within three paces of a police officer who is pointing a loaded gun at you. He tells you to drop the knife. You do anything OTHER than drop the knife, things will end badly for you. You make the SLIGHTEST move towards that officer and it's the last move you ever make
If it were me though I would really wanna use deadly force as an absolute last resort. And I also think perhaps the cop couldve waited a bit longer before shooting
says the dude who has never been n a situatuon like thst before. great. means alot. keep talkng out your ass... looks good on you
I don't have to be in a situation like this. I can see for myself what happened in the video and can call a spade a spade.
:thumb:. Occam's razor for sure.It's pretty simple. You're brandishing a knife within three paces of a police officer who is pointing a loaded gun at you. He tells you to drop the knife. You do anything OTHER than drop the knife, things will end badly for you. You make the SLIGHTEST move towards that officer and it's the last move you ever make.
No it's not. The cop doesn't have to get close to him. This kid was visibly strung out and making an ultimatum just made matters worse. It could've been defused using alternate procedures.That is technically correct, and thats why I think the officer will be exonerated.
If it were me though I would really wanna use deadly force as an absolute last resort. And I also think perhaps the cop couldve waited a bit longer before shooting
Basically, I agree with Rosie DiManno in this article (although I'm not a fan of her or the Star) - the threat was a contained one.
http://www.thestar.com/news/city_ha..._explanation_will_ever_be_enough_dimanno.html
Occam's Razor is so misused. You are over-simplifying.:thumb:. Occam's razor for sure.
Let me tell you an alternate simple scenario. The cop lost his cool after 3 shots while the kid was flinching on the floor (if you can't see his leg/foot twitched then get your glasses). The kid is hit and he will succumb to those three shots. The cop only waited 6 seconds and practically empties his clip.
You guys are so wrong.
how is it even possible people dont understand this?It's pretty simple. You're brandishing a knife within three paces of a police officer who is pointing a loaded gun at you. He tells you to drop the knife. You do anything OTHER than drop the knife, things will end badly for you. You make the SLIGHTEST move towards that officer and it's the last move you ever make.
Amen.how is it even possible people dont understand this?
I'm okay with the questions and investigating the officer's actions, what irks me is the hailing Yatim as some innocent victim. He was committing a crime and refusing to obey the police's demands.
A lot of factors went into his death, his own (criminal) actions most of all.
Why is it if I feel threatened by someone who has a knife in his hands I can't shoot him but the police can? Discharging 9 bullets to the body of a person who only had a knife is not considered excessive under our criminal code?
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Because you aren't a police officer trained on how to respond in such a situation. You may as well ask why you can't put flashing lights on your car and pull people over.Why is it if I feel threatened by someone who has a knife in his hands I can't shoot him but the police can? Discharging 9 bullets to the body of a person who only had a knife is not considered excessive under our criminal code?
37. (1) Every one is justified in using force to defend himself or any one under his protection from assault, if he uses no more force than is necessary to prevent the assault or the repetition of it.
(2) Nothing in this section shall be deemed to justify the wilful infliction of any hurt or mischief that is excessive, having regard to the nature of the assault that the force used was intended to prevent. [R.S. c.C-34, s.37.]
Police are trained and entrusted to act in the manner they have to in order to defend themselves and others, civilians are not. If you want to argue that the training itself is flawed then you may have an argument but an article in today's Star with comments from two experts in police training suggest Forcillo's actions were in line with the training he received.
Which 'dude' would that be?save it. this dudes most stressed out decision was whether to go down on a chick that does bbfs ot not.
keyboard warriors... awesome.
Sorry but they are even trained to defuse situations too. He didn't apply his full training. Another ex-cop that analyzed the video questioned a few things that Morcillo did.Because you aren't a police officer trained on how to respond in such a situation. You may as well ask why you can't put flashing lights on your car and pull people over.
Police are trained and entrusted to act in the manner they have to in order to defend themselves and others, civilians are not. If you want to argue that the training itself is flawed then you may have an argument but an article in today's Star with comments from two experts in police training suggest Forcillo's actions were in line with the training he received.
It's as if Morcillo is a robot that can't reason if what may have been a threat is still a threat.
A few unholstered and even drew if not pointed but put their guns back. The majority held the top of their holstered firearms just in case.And besides, if shooting SY was the only action the police had, why didn't the other officers draw their guns and shoot as well?
And besides, if shooting SY was the only action the police had, why didn't the other officers draw their guns and shoot as well?
Another assumption/fact found wanting by Newbie Doobie Do. Whodda thunk it.A few unholstered and even drew if not pointed but put their guns back. The majority held the top of their holstered firearms just in case.
