Massive Blunder by Trudeau

[fmahovalich]

So this week Harper brought in an election plank - that being terror travel will be criminalized. It is ok to go to countries of terror for legitimate reasons, but to date we have over a 100 Canadians who have travelled to fight WITH ISIS. Harper would criminalize these 100 folks.

Justins response .....Wait for it.... This law will infringe on terrorists RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS.



Oh Justin...Justin...Justin....

 

[james t kirk]

Link please

 

[Butler1000]

I saw this too. On CP24. And yes. That is exactly what he said.

I guess he also figures he can give them parka to take over as long as they are heading that way.

 

[exbrower]

So you saw him say "This law will infringe on terrorists RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS"

WOW i NEVER SAW THAT. Because he never said that.

 

[Mable]

What did he say then?

 

[exbrower]

What did he say then?

"Canada is a country that respects people's rights," Trudeau said as he kicked off his Quebec component of the federal election campaign.

"And any time a government chooses to limit those rights, it has to be able to answer very direct and complete questions about why it's necessary, about how it will work, about what the clear plan is and Mr. Harper has done none of that.

"For us, it's a piece of electoral posturing."

Direct quote.

 

[oldjones]

Link please

Still no link or reference from those who "…saw this". Meanwhile the yesterday's Star quotes a CPoC spokesperson, when asked about recruiting for anti-ISIS forces, 'clarifying" Our Dear Leader's original statement by saying "…mercenary activities" were OK.

Of course if the security-fanboys in CPoC really were serious, they would have done something while Parliament was in session, instead of waiting until they'd dissolved it and could get away with meaningless promises and half-truths.

By their arithmetic, a half-truth wipes clean the half-lies that are their stock in trade.

 

[cancowboy2001]

http://globalnews.ca/news/2156885/r...-need-a-law-banning-travel-to-terror-hotbeds/

Apart from that, the policy would be redundant —or at least it should be.

The federal government passed four offences in 2013 focused on terrorism travel and, just a few months ago, passed its contentious anti-terror bill, C-51.

“You’d think if [the Conservatives] though this was a good idea, they would have included it in C-51,” Roach said, noting the Criminal Code already has 15 terrorism offences. “It’s difficult to understand why they think the laws already enacted are inadequate.”

The last point is especially poignant considering Canada already has laws making it illegal to travel abroad to fight foreign wars, including fighting for ISIS.

“So why double down with a designated-area list,” Forcese asked. “It basically amounts to saying, ‘and we really, really are making it criminal to fight for ISIS.’”

 

[Mable]

"Canada is a country that respects people's rights," Trudeau said as he kicked off his Quebec component of the federal election campaign.

"And any time a government chooses to limit those rights, it has to be able to answer very direct and complete questions about why it's necessary, about how it will work, about what the clear plan is and Mr. Harper has done none of that.

"For us, it's a piece of electoral posturing."

Direct quote.

Thanks for that. I guess my question is, how does passing legislation criminalizing certain behavior, in this case fighting for a terrorist organization (if this is in fact established in a criminal court), limit an individuals' rights?

 

[rhuarc29]

Thanks for that. I guess my question is, how does passing legislation criminalizing certain behavior, in this case fighting for a terrorist organization (if this is in fact established in a criminal court), limit an individuals' rights?

The law persecutes any Canadian that travels to terrorist hotbeds, regardless of whether it can be proved the reason for that travel was to join a terrorist group. The only exception is for those proved to be fighting ISIS.

In other words, you can be found guilty of conspiring with terrorists even if you aren't conspiring with terrorists. Sounds to me like that infringes on your personal rights.

 

[IM469]

Justins response .....Wait for it.... This law will infringe on terrorists RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS...

Really ... he said the word 'terrorists' and not 'Canadians' ?

I haven't seen or heard the quote but this reeks of the Conservatives typical misquote bullshit that is pickup up by right wing loonies too absorbed in fear mongering to realise that they are being manipulated.

First, how do you know who is a terrorist and who isn't ... the destination on their airline ticket ?? This may come as a shock to the simple minded but there is no destination 'ISIS'. There are also Canadians flying over to fight ISIS : http://goo.gl/CYjZEx
Also we have exported Canadian goods to Turkey ... if our staff flys over .. are they terrorists according to Harper ?

Because of the lack of links (maybe because it is B.S.), I don't know if Trudeau suggested that every Canadian should benefit from the charter of rights - but I believe in the principle and can understand Harper's constant disdain for individual rights as verified by his recent legislation on privacy & prostitution.

I also have mixed feels for keeping anyone committed to the ISIS ideas here on Canadian soil instead of letting them go to foreign soil where they can be easier targets for the allies.

 

[Mable]

The law persecutes any Canadian that travels to terrorist hotbeds, regardless of whether it can be proved the reason for that travel was to join a terrorist group. The only exception is for those proved to be fighting ISIS.

In other words, you can be found guilty of conspiring with terrorists even if you aren't conspiring with terrorists. Sounds to me like that infringes on your personal rights.

That sounds strange to me. Do you have a link to the exact law?

 

[SkyRider]

In other words, you can be found guilty of conspiring with terrorists even if you aren't conspiring with terrorists. Sounds to me like that infringes on your personal rights.

Someone made the comment that there are Canadians who have friends and families in "terrorist havens" and it would be a violation of their human rights to prevent them from travelling to, for example, Islamic State. Of course, if these folks are kidnapped by ISIS, they would expect Canada to bail them out.

 

[Frankfooter]

Is Harper now stopping aid workers from travelling to hot spots?

 

[SkyRider]

Is Harper now stopping aid workers from travelling to hot spots?

I think this would qualify as a "legitimate" reason but if kidnapped and beheaded don't blame Harper.

 

[SkyRider]

"Canada is a country that respects people's rights," Trudeau said as he kicked off his Quebec component of the federal election campaign.

"And any time a government chooses to limit those rights, it has to be able to answer very direct and complete questions about why it's necessary, about how it will work, about what the clear plan is and Mr. Harper has done none of that.

"For us, it's a piece of electoral posturing."

Direct quote.

I wonder if Trudeau the Younger feel the same way about allowing "sex tourism"? Would he say pedos have an unfettered right to travel to Philippines, Thailand, etc. to do their "stuff" overseas? Also, would Trudeau allow Canadians to travel abroad to torture and kill animals (like protected lions)?

 

[maurice93]

What is the point of pushing a platform that will never go through because it's unconstitutional? Cons playing games and the idiot part of the base falling for it.

Would I like to restrict terror travel. Absolutely. But it can't be done through such a law. It has to be done via other security measures.

Trudeau has to learn how to play the public are idiots game like Harper. Look at the OP -- to dumb to realize that Trudeau merely gave a practical answer because the law could never pass.

 

[nottyboi]

I think this would qualify as a "legitimate" reason but if kidnapped and beheaded don't blame Harper.

He could certainly use the law to stop journalists that are not favorable to the govt from going there.

 

[nottyboi]

What is the point of pushing a platform that will never go through because it's unconstitutional? Cons playing games and the idiot part of the base falling for it.

Would I like to restrict terror travel. Absolutely. But it can't be done through such a law. It has to be done via other security measures.

You still don't understand how things work OMG!! The law goes though and only after YEARS can it be challenged in the courts. I am amazed people still don't get this after the whole C-36 debacle.

 

[nottyboi]

So this week Harper brought in an election plank - that being terror travel will be criminalized. It is ok to go to countries of terror for legitimate reasons, but to date we have over a 100 Canadians who have travelled to fight WITH ISIS. Harper would criminalize these 100 folks.

Justins response .....Wait for it.... This law will infringe on terrorists RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS.



Oh Justin...Justin...Justin....

Wow, such a liar, are you a Harper protege? How does your idol feel about you seeing escorts?