McGuinty: NO NEW TAXES (again)
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Bob Rae. thats how things could be worse.oldjones said:When you're thinkin' about voting why not pick someone who hasn't had a chance yet; they may not be better, but how could they be worse?
Actually, John Tory is very different from Harris. Tory will be more of a "Bill Davis" kind of premier.iamme said:And John Tory isn't a slick slimy salesman ????????? He also won't say whatever he thinks people want to hear to make the sale ????????? He's just another version of Harris/Eves. I don't want to go back to the Harris era !
And Tory is much sharper than Harris. Trust me on this.
I agree 1000%. He's more polished but that's why I liked Mike. He wasn't the typical politician. He didn't talk out of both sides of his mouth, he said what he was going to do and he did it. People voted for him in 1995 and again in 1999 because for the first time since Mulroney (and Trudeau) a politician did something without giving a shit what his opponents thought.Compromised said:Actually, John Tory is very different from Harris. Tory will be more of a "Bill Davis" kind of premier.
And Tory is much sharper than Harris. Trust me on this.
Mike was no dummy either. I'm not convinced Tory is sharper than Harris but rather he appears sharper.K Douglas said:I agree 1000%. He's more polished but that's why I liked Mike. He wasn't the typical politician. He didn't talk out of both sides of his mouth, he said what he was going to do and he did it. People voted for him in 1995 and again in 1999 because for the first time since Mulroney (and Trudeau) a politician did something without giving a shit what his opponents thought.
Tory is much sharper. And Tory does not have the confrontational style that Harris had.lookingforitallthetime said:Mike was no dummy either. I'm not convinced Tory is sharper than Harris but rather he appears sharper.
Tory, to my perseption, is a much different animal than Harris.
Harris was a Neo-Con with an agenda. His cabinet was comprised of other "Right" leaners with little respect for other points of view. His politics could be decribed as Cadre in nature. He also had a significant hate on for Toronto with little or no understanding and a real distaste of urban needs.
Tory seems to be a consensus type. Likely to seek varied opinion like Bill Davis. His understanding of the requirements of the GTA is vastly more sympathetic than Harris. He was also very successful in the private sector.
Harris came to politics with a background as a golf pro. Tory as a CEO.
I think there are also motivational differences as well. Harris looked at politics as a career advancement. I believe that Tory is more motivated by civic responsibility.
Harris was a Neo-Con with an agenda. His cabinet was comprised of other "Right" leaners with little respect for other points of view. His politics could be decribed as Cadre in nature. He also had a significant hate on for Toronto with little or no understanding and a real distaste of urban needs.
Tory seems to be a consensus type. Likely to seek varied opinion like Bill Davis. His understanding of the requirements of the GTA is vastly more sympathetic than Harris. He was also very successful in the private sector.
Harris came to politics with a background as a golf pro. Tory as a CEO.
I think there are also motivational differences as well. Harris looked at politics as a career advancement. I believe that Tory is more motivated by civic responsibility.
Mike was a good old boy hardliner, thats why we voted for him. While John Tory is the leader of the Progressive Conservatives he is most assuredly from the "wet" Bill D mold. He and Mike are totally different.
Things need to get a lot worse again in Ontario before the voters turn in desperation to a Harris style hardliner so a moderate like Tory is the face of the Party today.
Should the farking libs get in again look to the emergence of another Mike in the Conservative ranks, and this time we won't be as cuddly and friendly as we were last time.
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Things need to get a lot worse again in Ontario before the voters turn in desperation to a Harris style hardliner so a moderate like Tory is the face of the Party today.
Should the farking libs get in again look to the emergence of another Mike in the Conservative ranks, and this time we won't be as cuddly and friendly as we were last time.
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I am not trying to send you into depression, but I think youLancsLad said:Mike was a good old boy hardliner, thats why we voted for him. While John Tory is the leader of the Progressive Conservatives he is most assuredly from the "wet" Bill D mold. He and Mike are totally different.
Things need to get a lot worse again in Ontario before the voters turn in desperation to a Harris style hardliner so a moderate like Tory is the face of the Party today.
Should the farking libs get in again look to the emergence of another Mike in the Conservative ranks, and this time we won't be as cuddly and friendly as we were last time.
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should be aware that your postings here likely will turn quite
a few swing voters to voting liberal.
danmand said:I am not trying to send you into depression, but I think you
should be aware that your postings here likely will turn quite
a few swing voters to voting liberal.
Not really worried about that. The points I raise about the stupidity of the system and our overtaxed existence are meant to cause people to think. By that definition anyone with an inkling of voting lib wouldn't qualify for consideration.
That is an interesting way of approaching politics. You are effectively sayingLancsLad said:Not really worried about that. The points I raise about the stupidity of the system and our overtaxed existence are meant to cause people to think. By that definition anyone with an inkling of voting lib wouldn't qualify for consideration.
that anyone who ever has voted liberal or contemplated the idea of voting
liberal should stay away from the conservatives.
You are working to decrease the number of votes for the conservatives.
danmand said:That is an interesting way of approaching politics. You are effectively saying
that anyone who ever has voted liberal or contemplated the idea of voting
liberal should stay away from the conservatives.
You are working to decrease the number of votes for the conservatives.
Not really, by isolating the libs and making them the subject of ridicule for their foolish ways the vast majority of generally undecided voters will see the clear choice.
I make no attempt to change the view of a die hard lib, can't be done, they just don't get it.
I always liked the line that a lib was just a dipper in a suit.
I know you will not believe me, but you are actually turning people away from the conservatives by your fairly juvenile (no offense) rantings about the liberals. Even a staunch conservative like myself is wondering if voting conservative is the right thing.LancsLad said:Not really, by isolating the libs and making them the subject of ridicule for their foolish ways the vast majority of generally undecided voters will see the clear choice.
I make no attempt to change the view of a die hard lib, can't be done, they just don't get it.
I always liked the line that a lib was just a dipper in a suit.
danmand said:I know you will not believe me, but you are actually turning people away from the conservatives by your fairly juvenile (no offense) rantings about the liberals. Even a staunch conservative like myself is wondering if voting conservative is the right thing.
Juvenile, rants???
Facts are facts, they are unpleasant but the voters need to see the hidden side of the libs.
I'm not here for a popularity contest, thats why I could never be a pol, but I genuinely want the best for the country and am saddened by the lack of political awareness in the voters. My use of "in your face" methods may not appeal to everyone but things need to get noticed.
Yep, ask another conservative if you like.LancsLad said:Juvenile, rants???
The point I am making is that your method in my opinion is counterproductive.LancsLad said:I'm not here for a popularity contest, thats why I could never be a pol, but I genuinely want the best for the country and am saddened by the lack of political awareness in the voters. My use of "in your face" methods may not appeal to everyone but things need to get noticed.
John Tory defeating McGuinty? Tory could not beat Miller. The solid electable conservatives joined Harper in Ottawa. It will be another four more years on the opposition benches for the Tory Tories. Hmmm. Kind of like that "the tory tories". Reminds me of the old Reform Party slogan "Who's Tory Now".
Toronto seems to like the NDP at the street level, and the NDP is very organized and effective (electorally). Tory could not beat Miller but I'm not sure anyone else could either.great bear said:John Tory defeating McGuinty? Tory could not beat Miller. The solid electable conservatives joined Harper in Ottawa. It will be another four more years on the opposition benches for the Tory Tories. Hmmm. Kind of like that "the tory tories". Reminds me of the old Reform Party slogan "Who's Tory Now".
The GTA however, does not support the NDP provincially to the same extent. Tory would crucify Miller at that level. Can Tory beat McGuinty? I don't know. I've voted Liberal much of my life but this bumbling, bland incomp. makes it impossible for me to look left of center this go around.
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