Mel Lastman

[Joker]

http://www.thestar.ca/NASApp/cs/Con...e&cid=1051308226963&call_pageid=1049194989222

You know the sad thing. I voted for this guy (before I moved to Hamilton)! Before his stunts were funny (Letter to the Spice Girls not to break up), but this one will cost the cities economy. Man what is with this guy.

Well Hamilton's government is not that great, but I haven't seen a performance this bad since the Iraqi information minister.

 

[Alien (<>..<>)]

JOKER: I can't think of anyone better and more eccentric to have led Toronto for the last decade, I mean this guy is funny and down-to-earth. Do you think Barbara Hall would have been better than him? Or maybe another lame bozo like Chretien?

But I agree that Mel Lastman doesn't care about the health of foreign tourists and wants them to come here even when he knows that people are dropping dead left and right from SARS here in Toronto. Did you know that in the last 28 hours 3 MORE people have died in Toronto from the disease? 16 more cases were also reported at the same time. SARS is dangerous and it is NOT over.

 

[Marshall Stack]

One thing's for certain... whenever there's a down turn in the sp industry, the number of web surfers rises

 

[guelph]

JOKER:

But I agree that Mel Lastman doesn't care about the health of foreign tourists and wants them to come here even when he knows that people are dropping dead left and right from SARS here in Toronto. Did you know that in the last 28 hours 3 MORE people have died in Toronto from the disease? 16 more cases were also reported at the same time. SARS is dangerous and it is NOT over.

I think you should remember the Comments form the Atlanta CDC (- Center for Disease Control?). That Canada should be commended for the procedures and control of SARS. The Canadian growth rate is very low and all from primary sources not secondary.

It is important to contribute to the fear misrepresenting the statistics. I haven't checked the numbers but is that an increase of 16 or next new cases - when talking aboubt more cases don't forget to deduct the people who have come off the list either as cured or never had it but were quarantined for as a precaution only.

 

[mr. x]

there was a chart in the star the other day - listing the age of the victims so far - of the 14 listed, only 1 was under the age of 60 - most were in their 70s and 80s... which is not surprising becaouse most of the patients at grace hospital were likely in that age group. this makes it look far more deadly than it would be amongst the general population, if it ever became endemic.

it seems that the worst is over - the people who have been added to the list were already in quarrantine and were suspected of having it, but were borderline cases.

as for mel, i have never been impressed by him, but in past, he succeeded because of his ability to maekt himself and to connect to the "common man".

north york was reasonably well, run, but he can't take all of the credit for that. but since he has been mayor of all of toronto, he has done a terrible job. he has said and done many stupid things, and failed to make prgress on many issues like the waterfront or tearing down the gardiner. mind you, many of the problems in this city are because of amalgamation and downloading by the province.

look at the MFP fiasco - he admitted he didn't know what the hell was going on - he passed the buck!

i am not a great fan of barabara hall, but what bad things does anyone remember about when she ran the city - i can't think of any off hand!

 

[LoveThemGirls]

i am not a great fan of barabara hall, but what bad things does anyone remember about when she ran the city - i can't think of any off hand!

That's because she was probably the slowest talker in the history of politics! Whenever a reporter asked her a question on tv, I could go to the corner, buy a steak sandwich and come back before she finished answering. Mel needs to learn from her and think before he speaks. However, she did do a lot of good, the entire downtown housing and construction boom can be directly attributed to her changing of the zoning laws.

 

[Alien (<>..<>)]

---Guelph

Canada should be commended for the procedures and control of SARS. The Canadian growth rate is very low

Jesus Christ Guelph, Toronto has the highest SARS cases in the world besides the origin of the disease and you are saying what we should be "commended" for having a "low" index case?

I doubt the entire USA has more cases than an average Canadian hospital, last I heard there were less than 30 cases in the US and no deaths-- yet.

 

[guelph]

---Guelph

Jesus Christ Guelph, Toronto has the highest SARS cases in the world besides the origin of the disease and you are saying what we should be "commended" for having a "low" index case?

I doubt the entire USA has more cases than an average Canadian hospital, last I heard there were less than 30 cases in the US and no deaths-- yet.

Why don't you read the comments made by the Centre for Disease Control then comment based on the facts. Instead of leaping to denigrate - Canada and Canadian efforts.


Also don't forget the statistics and pointed in MR. X's post

"the 14 listed, only 1 was under the age of 60 - most were in their 70s and 80s... which is not surprising becaouse most of the patients at grace hospital were likely in that age group. this makes it look far more deadly than it would be amongst the general population, if it ever became endemic. "

 

[james t kirk]

More people die of the flu every year and it's contageous too.

As I understand it people are dying yes, but there have not been any new cases in a couple weeks.

As far as lastman goes, he's done.

Your choices are:

Barbara Hall - don't think so.....

John Tory - who?, some unemployed Rogers cable guy

John Nunziata - hmm, maybe, but he's a bit of a nut too. Former liberal kicked out of the gov't by Chretien.

jakobec - strange looking dude with buldging eyes who is rich and has nothing in common with the average guy - he married money, is known as a total control freak, Globe and Mail did a bit about him getting all kinds of free work done on his house by contractors that do work for the city.

David Miller - a lefty who will increase taxes like a run away freight train though he did expose the MFP scandal and he probably knows the art of compromise (unlike jakobec) and would probably be a good mayor who is on the ball. But there's those pesky taxes.....



Which nut do you pick from that list????????????

I would be tempted to think Nunziata or Miller. Definitly not hall, jakobec and i already pay too much in property taxes.

 

[Alien (<>..<>)]

the 14 listed, only 1 was under the age of 60 - most were in their 70s and 80s...

It doesn't matter if the dead were over 100, they are still people, or are young people worth more? And saying the truth is not "denigrating" anybody, or what am I supposed to do, to propagate the myth that we are safe clear out of danger while sick and corpses pile up?

Another point I don't understand about some people here is that they keep saying "More people die of drowning and breast cancer", aww c'mon, more people die of car accidents than from murder too, shall we be easy and tolerant towards murderers? I think not.

JAMES KIRK: Mel Lastmen is the only viable mayor around, can he continue or is there a term limit? I'm not a fan of left-wingers but I sure don't want to see an idiot like Mike Harris as mayor. I voted for Mike Harris many years ago with the hope he would kick off welfare parasites or at least make them work and to streamline other things but he ended up screwing everybody unneccessarily. The stupid "clean test" for vehicles--- it's the most stupid thing I have ever seen, only private vehicles are fined and tested, meanwhile public buses, commercial big rig trucks and factories are exempted (note a preference for big companies/institutions) so why the hell should I waste hundreds of $$$ to make my Honda Accord bellow out clean smoke while thousands of trucks spill dirty smoke right besides me?

Mikey turned out to be another cash-hungry idiot striving to screw even further us normal taxpayers.

 

[guelph]

It doesn't matter if the dead were over 100, they are still people, or are young people worth more? And saying the truth is not "denigrating" anybody, or what am I supposed to do, to propagate the myth that we are safe clear out of danger while sick and corpses pile up?

Another point I don't understand about some people here is that they keep saying "More people die of drowning and breast cancer", aww c'mon, more people die of car accidents than from murder too, shall we be easy and tolerant towards murderers? I think not.

The fact that you choose to ignore is that these people were in chronic care with other serious problems to begin with. Too attribute their deaths to SARS alone is not dealing the issue correctly. If you woud read Mr. X's post would see that.

How many people in Canada can be attributed to SARS alone? I think if you exclude the those that have died due to SARS complicating an already serious condition you would have a more honest picture.

 

[fflowley]

Back to Mayor Mel

As an American, growing up outside NY, I have spent a lot of time in what is considered one of the finest, if not the finest cities in the world.

I have also spent a lot of time in TO over the past 10 years, and I think it surpasses NY in many ways. I mean it sincerely when I say that it too is one of the world's great cities.

Now as for your mayor.....he simply lacks the gravitas I expect from the leader of such an esteemable city. I heard him ranting on the news today and could not help but compare his performance with what I would have expected from Mayor Giuliani in the same situation. Mayor Mel sounds like some local yokel with a direct connection from his impulse center to his mouth when theres a microphone stuck in front of him. Does he really appreciate how important his words and actions are to your city and to the world right now?

Flooey!

 

[Alien (<>..<>)]

Re: Back to Mayor Mel

Mayor Mel sounds like some local yokel with a direct connection from his impulse center to his mouth when theres a microphone stuck in front of him. Flooey!

That's call being eccentric and charismatic, amigo, and that's why I love Mel Lastmen. Concerning Guiliani, now that was a total IDIOT, reminds me of Woody Allen.

 

[Meesh]

---Guelph

Jesus Christ Guelph, Toronto has the highest SARS cases in the world besides the origin of the disease and you are saying what we should be "commended" for having a "low" index case?

I doubt the entire USA has more cases than an average Canadian hospital, last I heard there were less than 30 cases in the US and no deaths-- yet.

Actually, Toronto ranks third.

And look at the sars stats...skewed heavily. A 99 year old man died with resperatory problems...and is counted as a SARS death!! PLEASE!

 

[mr. x]

The fact that you choose to ignore is that these people were in chronic care with other serious problems to begin with. Too attribute their deaths to SARS alone is not dealing the issue correctly. If you woud read Mr. X's post would see that.

i do not know if any of these people were already in hospital for other serious diseases, or for simple things like cataracts or tests - part of what i was trying to not is that the mortality rate in Toronto has been high because of the disproportionate number of older people affected.

the flu is similar - in that most younger people survive it without problem, but for some older people the flu can be fatal - which is why the government gave out free flu shots last year to everyone, but with special care being paid that older people were immunised.

if it got loose amongst the general population, far less than 6% of people would die - but even a 2% would be terrible - which is why this has to be licked now!

 

[papasmerf]

The fact that you choose to ignore is that these people were in chronic care with other serious problems to begin with. Too attribute their deaths to SARS alone is not dealing the issue correctly.

.

Thank you

it is good to know the Coroner for the Metro Area is on this Board.

you of course are the coroner?

 

[train]

It was well documented in the press ( so it may be correct ) that there has only been one previously " healthy "victim in Ontario that was under the age of 70 .

And Papasmerf , please leave your weapons at home when you come here to hobby . Weapons in the hands of the general populace have killed far more people than SARS ever will . Charleton Heston is over 70 isn't he ....hey send him to Toronto .

Just over the newswire the WHO has issued a travel ban to Buffalo due to the unexplained number of fires that have taken countless lives . WHO says that the ban may be lifted if it can be proven that the fires were actually part of an urban renewal program .

 

[james t kirk]

Re: Re: Back to Mayor Mel

That's call being eccentric and charismatic, amigo, and that's why I love Mel Lastmen. Concerning Guiliani, now that was a total IDIOT, reminds me of Woody Allen.

Surely you jest.

Guiliani was fantastic after 911. He was honest, well spoken, and inspirational.

Lastman would have gone to pieces.

Lastman must be suffering from some sort of brain rot or something. He's a baby kisser now. He is an old fool who has no idea of what is going on.

The only reason i will miss him is for the comedy that he provided.

After that, forget it.

Stupid people make life interesting.

 

[Alien (<>..<>)]

Captain Kirk: Guilianni is an idiot and a racist. When several black people were killed by cops he refused to even apologize or condemn the police. And I don't mean black teens running away from a robbery, look at the case of the black girl that was shot 22 times sitting sleeping in the backseat of a car, or the Haitian immigrant that was sodomized and tortured in a NYC police station--- Guilianni refused to condemn the police department.

Regarding your statement that Guiliani "spoke well" after 9-11, oh jesus christ Kirk, I can also do that after such an attack, anybody could have done that, what's so special about that?

And to top it off the guy turns out to be a womanizer and a woman basher--- his wife left him because of that. Mel Lastmen at least has morals.

 

[Berlin]

He had some fun too

Waitaminit here, dear old Mel did have his fair share of womanizing... not much ,although.