Garden of Eden Escorts

Meng Wanzhou

Polaris

Well-known member
Oct 11, 2007
3,073
58
48
hornyville
Huawei Deals for Tech Will Have Consequences, U.S. Warns EU

By Nikos Chrysoloras and Richard Bravo

February 7, 2019, 4:49 PM EST

Any Western country allowing Huawei Technologies Co. or other Chinese equipment to be used in critical infrastructure projects will face the risk of U.S. countermeasures, the U.S. envoy to the European Union said.

The warning adds to signs that U.S. President Donald Trump’s administration is pushing for a blanket ban on Chinese companies from new 5G wireless networks, autonomous vehicles and other lucrative contracts in the technology sector throughout Europe, North America and other American allies. It comes as the EU weighs the introduction of a new sanctions regime against companies or countries involved in cyber-espionage and intellectual property theft.

“There are no compelling reasons that I can see to do business with the Chinese, so long as they have the structure in place to reach in and manipulate or spy on their customers,” Ambassador Gordon Sondland, Trump’s envoy in Brussels, said Thursday in an interview. “Those who are charging ahead blindly and embracing the Chinese technology without regard to these concerns may find themselves in a disadvantage in dealing with us.”

Depending on the Chinese equipment used by Western countries, the U.S. may have to be “more careful in sharing information, in transacting business,” and a “host of things,” Sondland said. He urged European countries to pick Finnish and other Scandinavian companies for their 5G contracts, citing a Chinese law that allegedly compels any private company in the country to cooperate with the government “on any intelligence matters in secret and without refusal.”

Senior European officials have echoed Sondland’s concerns. In an interview last month, Andrus Ansip, European Commission vice president for digital affairs, said China’s National Intelligence Law, passed in 2017, has increased the risk in dealing with Chinese companies in Europe. The law mandates any organization and citizen to support and assist national intelligence in their investigations and to keep information related to such investigations.

While Ansip stopped short of urging restrictions for Chinese companies, he urged “all the governments, all the responsible people, to deal with the risk assessment in a very serious way.” No EU-wide law has been introduced on the matter to date, and any restrictions on 5G contracts for national security reasons remain a decision for individual nations.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...-for-tech-will-have-consequences-u-s-warns-eu

:ambivalence:
 

bver_hunter

Well-known member
Nov 5, 2005
29,901
7,806
113

wilbur

Active member
Jan 19, 2004
2,079
0
36
Huawei Deals for Tech Will Have Consequences, U.S. Warns EU

By Nikos Chrysoloras and Richard Bravo

February 7, 2019, 4:49 PM EST

Any Western country allowing Huawei Technologies Co. or other Chinese equipment to be used in critical infrastructure projects will face the risk of U.S. countermeasures, the U.S. envoy to the European Union said.

The warning adds to signs that U.S. President Donald Trump’s administration is pushing for a blanket ban on Chinese companies from new 5G wireless networks, autonomous vehicles and other lucrative contracts in the technology sector throughout Europe, North America and other American allies. It comes as the EU weighs the introduction of a new sanctions regime against companies or countries involved in cyber-espionage and intellectual property theft.

“There are no compelling reasons that I can see to do business with the Chinese, so long as they have the structure in place to reach in and manipulate or spy on their customers,” Ambassador Gordon Sondland, Trump’s envoy in Brussels, said Thursday in an interview. “Those who are charging ahead blindly and embracing the Chinese technology without regard to these concerns may find themselves in a disadvantage in dealing with us.”

Depending on the Chinese equipment used by Western countries, the U.S. may have to be “more careful in sharing information, in transacting business,” and a “host of things,” Sondland said. He urged European countries to pick Finnish and other Scandinavian companies for their 5G contracts, citing a Chinese law that allegedly compels any private company in the country to cooperate with the government “on any intelligence matters in secret and without refusal.”

Senior European officials have echoed Sondland’s concerns. In an interview last month, Andrus Ansip, European Commission vice president for digital affairs, said China’s National Intelligence Law, passed in 2017, has increased the risk in dealing with Chinese companies in Europe. The law mandates any organization and citizen to support and assist national intelligence in their investigations and to keep information related to such investigations.

While Ansip stopped short of urging restrictions for Chinese companies, he urged “all the governments, all the responsible people, to deal with the risk assessment in a very serious way.” No EU-wide law has been introduced on the matter to date, and any restrictions on 5G contracts for national security reasons remain a decision for individual nations.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...-for-tech-will-have-consequences-u-s-warns-eu

:ambivalence:
The US doesn't want Huawei to have an any presence because they won't be able to force them to open any back doors so the NSA/CIA etc could snoop on their own citizens.

It is well known that the US records all phone comunications. US companies routinely allow the CIA and other US intelligence agencies to tap into cell phones. The CIA even snooped on Merkel's cellphone a couple of years ago. Huawei would make that impossible, since the US will not be able to coerce or bribe a chinese company to do the same.

That's besides the fact the the US doesn't like competition, and they routinely poilticize their judiciary in order to get trade advantage.
T
 

Polaris

Well-known member
Oct 11, 2007
3,073
58
48
hornyville
Okay, a break for Mister Junior Potatoe Head PM ... time to start working on a deal to bring those Canadians back home (provided they want to return). Ask for that death row guy too.

Obviously, the Chinese will object about releasing him. Canada should counter that by saying he was trying to sell drugs to the Aussies! Say that, the Chinese might be willing to deal.

At any rate, the decision to ban, or not ban, Hauwei from 5G in Canada becomes much easier. The fallout should be a lot less (regardless of the decision).

See article below.
 

Polaris

Well-known member
Oct 11, 2007
3,073
58
48
hornyville
UK says Huawei is manageable risk to 5G

Blow to US efforts to ban Chinese company from allies’ telecoms networks

Demetri Sevastopulo in Washington and David Bond in Munich | February 17, 2019


British intelligence has concluded that it is possible to mitigate the risk from using Huawei equipment in 5G networks, in a serious blow to US efforts to persuade allies to ban the Chinese supplier from high-speed telecommunications systems.

The UK National Cyber Security Centre has determined that there are ways to limit the risks from using Huawei in future 5G ultra-fast networks, two people familiar with the conclusion, which has not been made public, told the Financial Times.

The finding comes despite stepped-up US efforts to persuade countries to bar Huawei from their networks on the basis that it could help China conduct espionage or cyber sabotage.

The US National Security Agency has been sharing more information with allies and partners to underscore the risks, but several European countries, including the UK and Germany, have not been convinced that a ban is warranted.

One person familiar with the debate said the British conclusion would “carry great weight” with European leaders, since the UK has access to sensitive US intelligence via its membership of the Five Eyes intelligence sharing network.

“Other nations can make the argument that if the British are confident of mitigation against national security threats then they can also reassure their publics and the US administration that they are acting in a prudent manner in continuing to allow their telecommunications service providers to use Chinese components as long as they take the kinds of precautions recommended by the British,” the person said.

The US argues that 5G will be so fast — and have so many military applications — that the risk of using any Chinese telecoms equipment is too high. American officials have also made the case that, although there may be no evidence of nefarious activity so far, Huawei could use malign software updates to facilitate espionage.

Robert Hannigan, former head of GCHQ, the UK signals intelligence agency, recently wrote in the FT that NCSC had “never found evidence of malicious Chinese state cyber activity through Huawei” and that any “assertions that any Chinese technology in any part of a 5G network represents an unacceptable risk are nonsense”.

The UK conclusion stands in contrast to Australia and New Zealand — also Five Eyes members — which last year banned or blocked telecoms providers from using Huawei equipment in 5G networks.

It also comes as Donald Trump is considering issuing an executive order that would effectively bar US companies from using Huawei. One person familiar with the order said it would be written in a way that was “company and country agnostic”.

Speaking at the Munich Security Conference on Saturday, US vice-president Mike Pence said Huawei posed a threat because of a law that requires telecom companies to share data with the Chinese government.

At the same forum, Jens Stoltenberg, Nato secretary-general, told the FT that the alliance was taking concerns over Huawei “very seriously” and that several allies wanted a co-ordinated response.

“We have to look into the level of co-ordination we need to respond. We have not yet concluded as an alliance, but it shows the need to address that issue,” he said.

Alex Younger, head of MI6, the UK secret intelligence service, on Friday indicated that Britain might take a softer line on Huawei than the US, saying the issue was too complex to simply ban the company. He said it was “a more complicated issue than in or out” and countries had “a sovereign right to work through the answer to all of this”.

The NCSC did not dispute that it had determined that the risk from using Huawei could be contained.

It said it had “a unique oversight and understanding” of the Chinese company and expected Huawei to address engineering and security concerns highlighted in a report last year by the Huawei Cyber Security Evaluation Oversight Board, a monitoring board led by the head of the NCSC.

The next board report is expected to be heavily critical of Huawei’s failure to meet earlier demands on equipment, supply chain risks and software engineering.

The NCSC is also contributing to a government review of UK telecoms infrastructure that is being led by the Department of Digital, Culture, Media & Sport (DCMS). The DCMS report will probably contain recommendations on how to handle any threats of Chinese espionage posed by Huawei to 5G networks, according to one person briefed on an early draft.

The UK will probably recommend a diversity of suppliers and partial restrictions of areas of the 5G network, the person added. Mr Younger said it was “not inherently desirable that a piece of significant national critical infrastructure is provided by a monopoly supplier”.

A spokesperson for DCMS said the government 5G review was “ongoing” and would be concluded in the spring after examining a range of options. “No decisions have been taken and any suggestion to the contrary is inaccurate,” the spokesperson added.

Other European intelligence officials are also concerned about giving Huawei access to 5G networks. But while nations like France and Germany advise caution, they are unlikely to call for an outright ban.

Eric Xu, one of three rotating Huawei chairmen, this month criticised the US campaign to pressure countries to ban Huawei equipment, and questioned whether the US had ulterior motives. “Some say that because these countries are using Huawei gear, it makes it harder for US agencies to obtain these countries’ data,” he said.

https://www.ft.com/content/619f9df4-32c2-11e9-bd3a-8b2a211d90d5
 

Frankfooter

dangling member
Apr 10, 2015
96,690
25,052
113

Darts

Well-known member
Jan 15, 2017
23,017
11,265
113
Canada will be in recession by October. China won't buy our canola. We can't get our oil to market. Trudeau wants to cancel our $15 billion contract with Saudi Arabia.
 

Frankfooter

dangling member
Apr 10, 2015
96,690
25,052
113
Canada will be in recession by October. China won't buy our canola. We can't get our oil to market. Trudeau wants to cancel our $15 billion contract with Saudi Arabia.
But you want him to not pressure the AG for business interests with SNC or Huwaei, right?
 

nottyboi

Well-known member
May 14, 2008
24,501
2,599
113
That's Mrs. Meng. She's got 3 kids and a husband. Also a cancer survivor and a woman who broke through the glass ceiling. Ironically, on his last state visit to China, Trudeau linked gender equality to a free trade agreement with China..... and we then tossed one of their show-case female executives in the slammer.
I think when dada is the founder of Huawei and you are the CFO ,claiming you broke through the glass ceiling is kinda sad.
 

nottyboi

Well-known member
May 14, 2008
24,501
2,599
113
And everyone here who complains about SNC will also be calling for Trudeau to extradite away and damn the canola.
Same morals, right?
Yup all the Trudeau haters in Alberta wanted him to ram Trans Mountain through..regardless of the courts.
 

bornonaug9

Member
Jan 21, 2003
374
0
16
Toronto
Canada will be in recession by October. China won't buy our canola. We can't get our oil to market. Trudeau wants to cancel our $15 billion contract with Saudi Arabia.
China will follow Saudi Arabia step in removing students from Canadian universities which made up a huge portion of universitys' income.
 

nottyboi

Well-known member
May 14, 2008
24,501
2,599
113
Perhaps Trudeu felt JWR gave him bad advice on Huawei, and this was the confirmation that she is FAR to rigid for the job and unable to consider anything then the word of the law.....if she had anything to do with this file (and its hard to see how she did not as she was justice minister) I would say 1000% FIRE HER. She has done Canada enormous damage and backed our govt into a serious conflict with a key trading partner.
 

lomotil

Well-known member
Mar 14, 2004
6,723
1,574
113
Oblivion
Yup all the Trudeau haters in Alberta wanted him to ram Trans Mountain through..regardless of the courts.
Trudeau is what he is but it is not his fault that the one trick energy pony, Alberta is hurting. Harper couldn't build the pipeline during his long tenure either. The Albertans have an innate hatred for the name Trudeau as they do for many things, including Quebec interests. Quebec returns the favour.
Having SNC Lavalin in the PM riding would cause some sort of grease money to flow, China should understand this.
 

wilbur

Active member
Jan 19, 2004
2,079
0
36
Perhaps Trudeu felt JWR gave him bad advice on Huawei, and this was the confirmation that she is FAR to rigid for the job and unable to consider anything then the word of the law.....if she had anything to do with this file (and its hard to see how she did not as she was justice minister) I would say 1000% FIRE HER. She has done Canada enormous damage and backed our govt into a serious conflict with a key trading partner.
I suspect this is exactly what happened. Blind application of the rule of law (the american one at that) and damn the consequences. Then the SNC affair, hell bent on putting 9000 Canadians out of work, for the misdeeds of a handful of executives who have long since gone and prosecuted, instead of allowing civil penalties and company tutelage. I say that it was really time for her to go before she did more damage to the national interest.

China just canceled the import permit of the largest Canadian exporter of Canola, leaving it stuck with 2.3 billion worth.
 
Toronto Escorts