Michael Vick Is Toast
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Suspended indefinately today by the NFL, the Commish calling his actions not only illegal but reprehensible. Vick also admitted today he was a participant in killing the dogs who didn't perform, the methods used we already know. It's becoming increasingly hard to imagine how this guy will make it back into the league, assuming he wants to. Really, considering how much he has made, and his not exactly being a model of a guy with a work ethic, what's the point?
I think his career is DONE... I doubt any teams or sponser will want or be brave enough to sign him. Think about what could backfire to them. The public isn't blind and don't think they'll let something horrific like this be pushed aside like it was no big deal... well atleast PETA will make sure he doesn't get off easy.
the NFL and it's commish have now given the atlanta falcons the green light to go after michael vick in anyway they see fit. i believe he signed on with a $22 million dollar signing bonus...he will be giving that all back. as well, while his plea bargain can garner him possibly only a 12-18 month sentence, the judge can still go after him for another charge that escapes me right now, punishable up to five full years in jail on top of his plea bargained deal.
the judge in this case also comes with the reputation of handing out stiff sentences!
throw the book at the turd, and make an example of this moron.
Plyrs99
the judge in this case also comes with the reputation of handing out stiff sentences!
throw the book at the turd, and make an example of this moron.
Plyrs99
Asterix said:
How about making it back into mainstream society??? This idiot just fuck up his whole life, not only in the NFL, but try looking for a job anywhere else or dealing with anyone. The guy had the world by the tail, making millions, and now look at him, he sure didn't need the money on gambling on those dogs, this guy has mental issues.
yes
Could not agree more all that $$$ and he is involved in Dog fighting, what a sic bastard.plyrs99 said:
pure racism, look at all the crimes lindsay lohan committed, and all she got was a 1-day in prison, also vick's only fault being too loyal to his homeboys down south. dog fighting is part of the african american culture in the south, the media is blowing it outta porportion, you never see the media get this hyped up when a white person acts crazy like lohan or lionel richie's daughter.
Only a moron....or someone with tongue firmly in cheek
.....so tell us truwarier...which one are you??....I'll assume tongue firmly in cheek...cause how can you be using a racism angle when you are using Lionel Ritchie's daughter as an example?.
This guy Vick is total scum...his mental issues and his ability to kill a living thing, makes him dangerous as far as I'm concerned...He's gonna pay big time...and maybe while he's in prison..he can be some Bubba's bitch
N2G
truwarier said:
.....so tell us truwarier...which one are you??....I'll assume tongue firmly in cheek...cause how can you be using a racism angle when you are using Lionel Ritchie's daughter as an example?.
This guy Vick is total scum...his mental issues and his ability to kill a living thing, makes him dangerous as far as I'm concerned...He's gonna pay big time...and maybe while he's in prison..he can be some Bubba's bitch
N2G
One point I haven't seen mentioned is the possibility that maybe he actually didn't know it was illegal activity (if there's so much of it in the south). Don't get me wrong, I'm glad he got nailed, but maybe he's just really stupid.
Mind you, if he knew it was illegal, then I guess that makes him stupid as well for risking everything. Just trying to figure out in which way he was stupid.
Mind you, if he knew it was illegal, then I guess that makes him stupid as well for risking everything. Just trying to figure out in which way he was stupid.
Not comparing...
What I AM saying is that apparently a dog's life is not so scared that it can't be taken. It would appear that some people have concerns about the manner it is taken however....or feel that some have the privilege while others don't.
I don't understand how such people can see this as such a horrific crime...and then eat a steak, for example.
The reason this occurs of course is because (some) people assign human values and characteristics to animals. Which I have a problem with, but that is a lost cause.
What is my current beef though is how (some) people are such hypocrites (see comment about eating steak...or how some "dog lovers" have no idea how to properly care for and train their pets...like the assholes who keep horse sized dogs in a bachelor apartment in downtown Toronto...).
Vick committed a crime. He should be punished.
But people who suggest he should lose his life because he took the life of a DOG...I wonder about those people...people who would put a human life on par with an animal.
That I think is a FAR bigger stretch than comparing Vick to the Humane Society.
...as in saying what they (MV and The Humane Society) do is comparable.s-husky said:
What I AM saying is that apparently a dog's life is not so scared that it can't be taken. It would appear that some people have concerns about the manner it is taken however....or feel that some have the privilege while others don't.
I don't understand how such people can see this as such a horrific crime...and then eat a steak, for example.
The reason this occurs of course is because (some) people assign human values and characteristics to animals. Which I have a problem with, but that is a lost cause.
What is my current beef though is how (some) people are such hypocrites (see comment about eating steak...or how some "dog lovers" have no idea how to properly care for and train their pets...like the assholes who keep horse sized dogs in a bachelor apartment in downtown Toronto...).
Vick committed a crime. He should be punished.
But people who suggest he should lose his life because he took the life of a DOG...I wonder about those people...people who would put a human life on par with an animal.
That I think is a FAR bigger stretch than comparing Vick to the Humane Society.
Maybe you can explain it to Mr. Vick, I still don't think he gets it. The most dusturbing part of all of this, is that he evidently took pleasure in the torture of the dogs that didn't measure up. I can think of no other reason for the various bizarre methods used in killing them. He's a sick little sadist, pure and simple.Kathleen said:
If MV can't get a job in the NFL, he can always come to Canada and coach high school football. Remember that teacher in Montreal who was convicted of killing his girlfriend and the court reinstated his teaching job? (Query: Can an American convicted dogkiller legally enter Canada?)Mia.Colpa said:
s-husky said:
Eating animals whether by choice or for survival is understandable and part of the food chain and evolution. Training animals to fight for entertainment is not. Yes we have sports where humans train to fight each other, the evolution of Gladiators and unlike there predecessors our modern day Gladiators are treated with the best care money can buy, not tortured and killed if the loose.
Putting humane values on animals serve us as a society better and hence we evolve from are barbaric roots.
MV was a role model to many young people, with leadership comes responsibility he choose to do what he did not for survival but for pure sadistic entertainment, then denied he did it hence not taking responsibility. He deserves all he gets and maybe sentenced to the octagon to see how he performs in a pit for humans and if he does not perform well lets torture him.
Well...
..I am not certain where "seriously" begins or ends, but...
"He deserves all he gets and maybe sentenced to the octagon to see how he performs in a pit for humans and if he does not perform well lets torture him."
...there you have someone suggesting that we torture a human being. Why? Because that human being tortured a dog. Presumably in this persons' mind, dogs and humans are on the same level.
Here's another...
"they should turn the pitbulls on him"
..and another
"I'd like to see his get what he did to the dogs..."
...and while we haven't seen any such posts HERE...there have been comments in other places that he should be killed...and that animal lovers would put a hit on him.
So...again...my point is that I do not understand how this is a rational perspective. Animals are killed everyday. There are INDUSTRIES that exist to kill animals. Are we all somehow under the impression that they do so in the most humane way possible? How come no one is calling for their CEOs to be tortured?
Again...it was a crime. He should be punished for breaking the laws of the land. And, I would question the morality and sanity of someone who could take (presumed) pleasure in watching another living thing be tortured or killed.
That doesn't mean that as a HUMAN BEING Michael Vick should be tortured or killed.
They were DOGS. Killed by the hundreds everyday around the world, by people who claim to be animal lovers.
And for those who think the rationale / reasoning makes so much difference (and I agree it makes SOME...just not much), well, it is good thing we don't make such distinction for rape, its it? You know...between guys who rape because they "love" their victim, versus those who do it because they are just evil bastards?
Asterix said:
..I am not certain where "seriously" begins or ends, but...
"He deserves all he gets and maybe sentenced to the octagon to see how he performs in a pit for humans and if he does not perform well lets torture him."
...there you have someone suggesting that we torture a human being. Why? Because that human being tortured a dog. Presumably in this persons' mind, dogs and humans are on the same level.
Here's another...
"they should turn the pitbulls on him"
..and another
"I'd like to see his get what he did to the dogs..."
...and while we haven't seen any such posts HERE...there have been comments in other places that he should be killed...and that animal lovers would put a hit on him.
So...again...my point is that I do not understand how this is a rational perspective. Animals are killed everyday. There are INDUSTRIES that exist to kill animals. Are we all somehow under the impression that they do so in the most humane way possible? How come no one is calling for their CEOs to be tortured?
Again...it was a crime. He should be punished for breaking the laws of the land. And, I would question the morality and sanity of someone who could take (presumed) pleasure in watching another living thing be tortured or killed.
That doesn't mean that as a HUMAN BEING Michael Vick should be tortured or killed.
They were DOGS. Killed by the hundreds everyday around the world, by people who claim to be animal lovers.
And for those who think the rationale / reasoning makes so much difference (and I agree it makes SOME...just not much), well, it is good thing we don't make such distinction for rape, its it? You know...between guys who rape because they "love" their victim, versus those who do it because they are just evil bastards?
Bad example. So you don't think the courts would deal differently with someone who had raped, as opposed to someone who had raped repeatedly and tortured their victims in the process? As far as the comparison of crimes such as Vicks against animals to humans, of course it is not the same, though in this case I think it should be closer than only a year in jail for one, to what would result in death by lethal injection for the other. And, yeah, what happens in slaughter houses is pretty disgusting. Read "Fastfood Nation" and you might not want to eat meat again.MLAM said:
Vick to turn into a rat .lol.
I had a chance to read the summary of the 11 page plea agreement and the 10 pages of summary of facts under the disclosure clause against Vick and it's full of legalese but in essence. He's trying his best to save his own hide and cut a deal with federal prosecutors, part of it will be full disclosure (to the prosecutors satsifaction) about all illegal gambling activities with his BadNewz Kennels operations. Essentially turning him into a rat.
The documents were intentionally drafted to be vague but do not be fooled -he did admit to gambling on these dog fights, he admitted to being an active participant in the torture and killing of dogs - no massaging of the language can hide those facts.
He was trying to get Goddell to be more sympathetic -didn't work, he got an indefeinite suspension form the NFL without a word from Upshaew's office in opposition. This guy is indefensible -not even the union will stand with him.
Vick might even be compelled to turn on family members and quite possibly NFL players or teammates who may have witnessed any of the dogfights -God forbid they wagered on it, they'd be screwed too. And he'll be under the scrutiny of a polygraph machine at the prosecuotrs' discression.
Page 6 basically says that any violation on any part of this 11 page document and they will drop the hammer on him with the full weight of any sentences they can get their hands on.
A lot of people are upset because there is still a chance Vick might NOT do any time. This topic has pushed a lot of buttons -racial, class structure, debates on cruelty to animals vs human life and the fact that it seems that the judiciary system only convicts the poor or the unconnected.
The prosecutors aren't after vengence -they're after justice and they will use Vick (like the little bitch that he is) to rat out everything and everyone he knows in relation to this to save his own sorry, skinny ass. The irony of it all is that earlier in this thread someone suggested that dogfighting was a "southern" thing and myself having family from the South (and no, I am not caucasian) I was offended. How about the idea in urban black America that nobody should be a rat -or I believe tha slogan is more of a NO Snitchin' motto. Well, this case has certainly dispelled that myth -these guys rolled over faster than lightly battered fried catfish in a fryer.
I don't and never did believe race or privilage or money was the issues -this guy is a degenerate, heat score who for whatever reason didn't see a good thing when it was presented to him....and now he'll face society with something not even OJ had to face -being a convicted criminal. His career is over, the Falcons want their money back (there goes a big chunk of his "fortune"), the lawyers' fees should put a dent in his fortune , I can't see anyone hiring him as an analyst or broadcaster or joining anyones coaching staff.
I had a chance to read the summary of the 11 page plea agreement and the 10 pages of summary of facts under the disclosure clause against Vick and it's full of legalese but in essence. He's trying his best to save his own hide and cut a deal with federal prosecutors, part of it will be full disclosure (to the prosecutors satsifaction) about all illegal gambling activities with his BadNewz Kennels operations. Essentially turning him into a rat.
The documents were intentionally drafted to be vague but do not be fooled -he did admit to gambling on these dog fights, he admitted to being an active participant in the torture and killing of dogs - no massaging of the language can hide those facts.
He was trying to get Goddell to be more sympathetic -didn't work, he got an indefeinite suspension form the NFL without a word from Upshaew's office in opposition. This guy is indefensible -not even the union will stand with him.
Vick might even be compelled to turn on family members and quite possibly NFL players or teammates who may have witnessed any of the dogfights -God forbid they wagered on it, they'd be screwed too. And he'll be under the scrutiny of a polygraph machine at the prosecuotrs' discression.
Page 6 basically says that any violation on any part of this 11 page document and they will drop the hammer on him with the full weight of any sentences they can get their hands on.
A lot of people are upset because there is still a chance Vick might NOT do any time. This topic has pushed a lot of buttons -racial, class structure, debates on cruelty to animals vs human life and the fact that it seems that the judiciary system only convicts the poor or the unconnected.
The prosecutors aren't after vengence -they're after justice and they will use Vick (like the little bitch that he is) to rat out everything and everyone he knows in relation to this to save his own sorry, skinny ass. The irony of it all is that earlier in this thread someone suggested that dogfighting was a "southern" thing and myself having family from the South (and no, I am not caucasian) I was offended. How about the idea in urban black America that nobody should be a rat -or I believe tha slogan is more of a NO Snitchin' motto. Well, this case has certainly dispelled that myth -these guys rolled over faster than lightly battered fried catfish in a fryer.
I don't and never did believe race or privilage or money was the issues -this guy is a degenerate, heat score who for whatever reason didn't see a good thing when it was presented to him....and now he'll face society with something not even OJ had to face -being a convicted criminal. His career is over, the Falcons want their money back (there goes a big chunk of his "fortune"), the lawyers' fees should put a dent in his fortune , I can't see anyone hiring him as an analyst or broadcaster or joining anyones coaching staff.
