Michael Vick should be able to play again

[GotGusto]

http://www.thestar.com/sports/article/669176

He did his time. Some dogs died. It's not a nice thing to do, but far from horrifically tragic.

Fanatical self-proclaimed animal lovers are a little loopy sometimes.

Get over it. If Vick still has skills, he should be able to play. Whether he has skills or not to be competitive remains to be seen.

 

[ig-88]

That's up to the NFL.

 

[GotGusto]

Agreed, and we will have to respect whatever decision they make. They're a business and will do what they believe is best for their business.

I'm just astonished and sickened by the outcry against Vick when the whole thing came to light, and up to the present day. Lots of batshit crazy pet owners out there.

I recognize that I'm in the minority and most Terbites will disagree with me.

 

[gramage]

55% completion rate in a league that wants 70%

Doesn't run the offence as called which gets his coaches fired.

Will make everyone else's job harder as they will be constantly asked about how horrible what Vick did was and how they feel playing for him.

Hiring him would be a bad decision off the field and a worse decision on it.

Oakland will sign him eventually.

 

[Quest4Less]

Athletes are supposed to be role models. As such - IMHO - no one with a criminal record should be allowed to play pro sports. Of course that would take out a butt load of talent - especially in the NBA.

 

[lonecoxxman]

http://www.thestar.com/sports/article/669176

He did his time. Some dogs died. It's not a nice thing to do, but far from horrifically tragic.

Fanatical self-proclaimed animal lovers are a little loopy sometimes.

Get over it. If Vick still has skills, he should be able to play. Whether he has skills or not to be competitive remains to be seen.

What time?? The time he got was not even a slap on the wrist! And for anyone to personally hang a dog up to die, which is what he admitted doing, is horrifically tragic in my book and the book of any decent minded human being.

You're the fanatic, a moronic fanatical sports fan who worships jerks like Vick. Have a little respect, and common decency. Don't come on here and rile people up with this crap!

 

[gramage]

Athletes are supposed to be role models.

Completely disagree with this statements. Athletes are supposed to be athletic. Anyone looking up to an athlete as a role model has messed up priorities whether they get arrested or not as your modelling yourself after someone who has prioritized physical development and game playing over mental and emotional growth.

 

[babyfinsta]

let him stew in the UFL for a year. doesnt deserve to comeback this season.

 

[GotGusto]

What time?? The time he got was not even a slap on the wrist! And for anyone to personally hang a dog up to die, which is what he admitted doing, is horrifically tragic in my book and the book of any decent minded human being.

You're the fanatic, a moronic fanatical sports fan who worships jerks like Vick. Have a little respect, and common decency. Don't come on here and rile people up with this crap!

What he did was indecent, but no great tragedy. Dogs are hung up to die every day in Asia to be eaten. The beef you ate today was once part of a cow that suffered horrendously before it made it onto your plate. Dogs are animals - an animal that we cherish in our culture, but an animal nonetheless. Let's not get carried away with making it more than it is.

I don't worship Vick. I don't want anything to do with Vick. I'm simply saying the man should be allowed to play and that people should get off his cock. He paid his price already.

 

[ckupets04]

55% completion rate in a league that wants 70%

Doesn't run the offence as called which gets his coaches fired.

Will make everyone else's job harder as they will be constantly asked about how horrible what Vick did was and how they feel playing for him.

Hiring him would be a bad decision off the field and a worse decision on it.

Oakland will sign him eventually.

Vick got Reeves fired? Are you sure about that?

Let me break it down for you. In 2002, the falcons had an 8-game undefeated streak in the middle of that season, they went to the playoffs and beat GB @ Lambeau handing the Packers their first home playoff loss ever at Lambeau. Oh and yeah Michael Vick was superman in that game in case you have forgotten. Then they lost to Philly in the next round. But all in all a good season considering that was Vick's first full year as a starter and he gets to the playoffs and wins @ Lambeau.

2003 - Vick injures his fibula in the Baltimore game in the preseason. He missed 12 games, the first game back was against Carolina. By that time the Falcons were 2-10 and out of the picture. But Michael Vick on that Sunday Night Football game against Carolina (his first game coming back from the injury on Sunday Night football with Mike Patrick , Paul Maguire and Joe Theisman). Vick had a fantastic game in that game, his first game back. Oh and the Falcons went 3-1 to close out the season in the 4 games Vick played that season.

Then Dan Reeves was fired. So what did Vick do to get Reeves fired? Nothing. That decision had nothing to do with Vicks performance. I was a Dan Reeves fan and Vick would have thrived under Reeves had they kept him but the owner Arthur Blank wanted to go in a different direction. Your assertion that Vick got Reeves fired is laughable.

Now, lets move on to Jim Mora Jr.

Vick never had any receivers, they traded for Peerless Price and he was a complete bust and was too soft to block in the run-game. He had a stud TE in Crumpler but no other stud targets in the passing game. Granted he did have Roddy White but the O-line wasnt as good back then as it is now and White was still young. Jim Mora Jr. and him and Greg Knapp brought in the zone-blocking scheme that Denver is famous for and the Falcons became a run heavy team that was one of the best ground teams in the nfl with the DVD backfield but was near the bottom of the league in the passing game. There is a combination of factors at work. Yes Vick's accuracy is an issue but lets not pin the woes of the Falcons passing game all on Vick. Vick got sacked way too much for a guy with his elusiveness, the pass-pro wasnt exactly that good back then b/c the O-linemen they had were very small. They were one of the smallest group of O-linemen in the league. As a result pass-pro suffered. And like I mentioned he never had any stud receivers.

I'm a die hard Falcons fan , have been so for the better part of 2 decades. Vick did not get his coaches fired. Period. I hope the Seahawks fans are happy with their new man Jim Mora. I am glad he got fired from Atlanta quite frankly.

 

[amber-jade]

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[babyfinsta]

I'm simply saying the man should be allowed to play and that people should get off his cock.

who the hell is on his cock?

pacman jones?

 

[gramage]

Notice how both White and Jenkins break out as soon as they have an accurate qb to play with? Call it coincidence if you want but the rookie (how the hell am I blanking on his name?) came in and all of a sudden they're good?

And I wasn't referring to the head coach. I could be wrong but didn't they fire the qb coach or offensive coordinator every other year?

And yes he Vick won games early in his career by running the ball. They might as well have run the wishbone for all the passing he was capable of. Steve Young won games when he was younger by running, he won championships throwing the ball (I believe still highest single season completion percentage but Manning may have beaten it.) Vick never developed as a passer and it cost them games his last couple of seasons.

 

[ckupets04]

Notice how both White and Jenkins break out as soon as they have an accurate qb to play with? Call it coincidence if you want but the rookie (how the hell am I blanking on his name?) came in and all of a sudden they're good?

And I wasn't referring to the head coach. I could be wrong but didn't they fire the qb coach or offensive coordinator every other year?

And yes he Vick won games early in his career by running the ball. They might as well have run the wishbone for all the passing he was capable of. Steve Young won games when he was younger by running, he won championships throwing the ball (I believe still highest single season completion percentage but Manning may have beaten it.) Vick never developed as a passer and it cost them games his last couple of seasons.

The rookie your referring to is Matty Ice (Matt Ryan). And as a FAlcons fan I am happy he is there. He is a godsend and in my opinion will be an elite QB in this league. I'll take Ryan over Vick any day. All Im saying is that the Falcons passing woes werent all Vick's fault.

Yes Roddy White did explode even when they had Harrington and Leftwich the year before last year. That is true. But you are completely ignoring the fact that the O-line under the Mora regime was using that zone-blocking scheme and it was a run-oriented offense. Everything in that offense was run-oriented. part of the problem in the passing game in Atlanta was the whole design of the offense. Look, dont get me wrong. I agree Vick's accuracy is sub par, however he was very accurate on the run and outside the pocket but lets be fair and also acknowledge that there were a lot of contributing factors to the poor passing game in Atlanta , not only the design of the offense but the pass-pro as well. Without good pass-pro its difficult to have a successful passing game.

I agree with you that Vick never developed as a passer. One could argue that he regressed after Reeves got fired. But dont you think part of that has to due with the way Mora and Knapp were using him too? I am not a fan of that Denver zone-blocking scheme b/c it requires smaller offensive lineman and pass-pro suffers as a result.

 

[ckupets04]

And I wasn't referring to the head coach. I could be wrong but didn't they fire the qb coach or offensive coordinator every other year?

Uh no, I think your thinking about the Washington Redskins.

Mora/Knapp were there for 3 consecutive years. I still believe that Dan Reeves was the best head coach for Vick. He drafted him and he knew best how to utilize his skill-set.

I agree, he never developed as a passer, we could even argue that he may have regressed after Reeves got fired but I think there were other factors involved too as I outlined earlier.

Vick actually didnt pass the ball too badly under Reeves considering he was in his first full year as a starter in 2002. The falcons were a better passing team under Reeves than under Mora.

 

[gramage]

I agree with you that Vick never developed as a passer. One could argue that he regressed after Reeves got fired. But dont you think part of that has to due with the way Mora and Knapp were using him too? I am not a fan of that Denver zone-blocking scheme b/c it requires smaller offensive lineman and pass-pro suffers as a result.

I have no problem with that at all, Mora was a poor head coach and Knapp was the wrong man to bring in. But given he is the quarterback he is after that regression I think any team that signed him would be making a mistake.

 

[ckupets04]

I have no problem with that at all, Mora was a poor head coach and Knapp was the wrong man to bring in. But given he is the quarterback he is after that regression I think any team that signed him would be making a mistake.

Well I wouldnt say he regressed a whole lot. Like i said he definitely didnt have any major development as a passer but he did have a string of games where he passed well as I recall in the 06 season but I just dont think that the pass-pro was good enough during that regime for Vick to succeed. Honestly, he was constantly under pressure.

Anyways, a team that signs him would not be signing him to be the starting signal caller, he would likely be the backup to start or may be used as a utility player maybe in special Vick packages (perhaps in wildcat formations Vick would be on the field). It would not surprise me if he became a starter at some point though.

 

[mandrill]

The beef you ate today was once part of a cow that suffered horrendously before it made it onto your plate.

Yeah, but OTOH..... I don't stand there with my buddies gettin' off on how much the cow is suffering as it's butchered and making bets on how long it's gonna take to die.

That's the (V) icky part.

 

[lonecoxxman]

What he did was indecent, but no great tragedy. Dogs are hung up to die every day in Asia to be eaten. The beef you ate today was once part of a cow that suffered horrendously before it made it onto your plate. Dogs are animals - an animal that we cherish in our culture, but an animal nonetheless. Let's not get carried away with making it more than it is.

I don't worship Vick. I don't want anything to do with Vick. I'm simply saying the man should be allowed to play and that people should get off his cock. He paid his price already.

What I feel you've come back with is the twisted logic that if you can find enough people doing the same kind of wrong, then it must be a right, or at least not totally unacceptable. Well the old saying "Two wrongs don't make a right" still applies here. I'd be very surprised if, for any team he might go with, there were no players unhappy to have him on the same team.

 

[JEFF247]

I don't think I'd like TO speaking for me.

"Why shouldn’t he (Vick)? I mean, there’s a lot more guys around the league that have done far more worst things than that and gotten second chances,” Owens said.

In other words, Yeah, there's lots of scumbags in the NFL. What's one more. LMFAO. I could care less. I have better things to do than follow the NFL.