More than half of Canadians believe Conservative economic plan not a success: poll

red

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The definition of insanity is to borrow more money when you are already swimming in debt without a realistic plan for how to pay it back
Ontario is going to be a test case on how not to govern.
I hope Granny Wynn lives a long life, so she can witness the long term damage she has done

If you think Justin has a plan to pay down the debt he is promising to spend you should think again. (Justin has his fathers name, his mothers looks & unfortunately her intellect)
And if you believe Thomas Mulclair, he is promising austerity, so why would you expect a different result from him vs. PM Harper. (no chance he will change his tune once elected?)


It boils down to who do you think will not inflict damage to our economy
& that should be very clear
What do you call harper increasing the federal debt by 150 billion?
 

red

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Justin is going to try and spend his way out of this economic downturn. That kind of action always fails in the end.
Yeah- just ask harper- he did it for eight years in a row
 

Butler1000

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Surplus budget. After when in minority he had do stimulus spending at the demands of the NDP and Liberals. Finance Canada just released the figures. 1.9 billion surplus.

So much for that.
 

shakenbake

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Bullshit
we pay way too much in taxes
No need to fill the boots of the public sector unions
less revenues means less spending & a smaller government

If you want to live in a Nanny state try Venezuela
Hows that working
As an example, approximately $31 billion (Statistics Canada)in salaries and wages at the federal level versus total expenses of approximately $270 billion (bnn.ca) for that same year. How much did you think we could save by firing all the pubic sector employees at the federal level, and have no one left to administer the very necessary programs? Of that $31 billion, how much of it was for politicians such as Harper and company? Where did the approximately $240 billion not going to salaries and wages go?

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/tables-tableaux/sum-som/l01/cst01/govt54b-eng.htm

https://www.google.ca/url?sa=i&rct=...o4hgzvwt9V_7ea--BdM-Y4hQ&ust=1442367377912264
 

oldjones

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Surplus budget. After when in minority he had do stimulus spending at the demands of the NDP and Liberals. Finance Canada just released the figures. 1.9 billion surplus.

So much for that.
Amounts to rounding error in the overall national budget, and about equal to the amount Veterans Affairs was given, but couldn't find any way to spend on vets, so they returned it (a bit over a billion as I recall from last fall's story). Nothing to boast about as unemployment rises and we continue deeper into recession.

Last time we did that Harper's medicine was to break his solemn promise never to run deficits and to spend like Santa — including millions advertising how much better off the veterans were — but now he says more austerity and even less spending is how to make the economy hum.

One thing you can trust him for; a new story and new 'fundamental principles' daily. And his fanboys never remember the old stories; to quote another con, "They are no longer operative."
 

ogibowt

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Justin is going to try and spend his way out of this economic downturn. That kind of action always fails in the end.
North America was in debt after the 2nd world war, massive spending led to a booming economy in the 50,s and 60,s................spending , and spending on the right things, has led to periods of prosperity....austerity has never worked , well only for billionaires i guess who have right wing politicians in their hip pocket
 

trtinajax

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If a majority of Canadians — 52 per cent — don’t believe the federal Conservatives’ plan for the economy has been a success, then that leaves 48 per cent of Canadians that apparently do find the Conservative plan a success. Since that 52% will be divided up by the Liebrals, the NDP and the Green Party I do believe that should leave Steve with a very comfortable majority in the next parliament.
 

Aardvark154

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Surplus budget. After when in minority he had do stimulus spending at the demands of the NDP and Liberals. Finance Canada just released the figures. 1.9 billion surplus.

So much for that.
I was going to point out the same thing. If a bare majority of the electorate after this still don't believe that the Government's plan for the economy has been a success, then that doesn't say much for the electorate does it now?
 

ogibowt

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If a majority of Canadians — 52 per cent — don’t believe the federal Conservatives’ plan for the economy has been a success, then that leaves 48 per cent of Canadians that apparently do find the Conservative plan a success. Since that 52% will be divided up by the Liebrals, the NDP and the Green Party I do believe that should leave Steve with a very comfortable majority in the next parliament.
whatever you are inhaling, remember to exhale, because its affecting your brain
 

bver_hunter

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canada-man

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Bullshit
we pay way too much in taxes
No need to fill the boots of the public sector unions
less revenues means less spending & a smaller government

If you want to live in a Nanny state try Venezuela
Hows that working
Denmark and Norway are working fine
 

guelph

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To give the devil his dues, Canada had a surplus in the past fiscal year.
Just saw discussion on TVO. Surplus due to changes in reporting methods and one time items. What I call a Harris surplus smoke and mirrors hide the problem until someone else has to deal with it
 

FAST

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The fiscal year goes to march 31, 2015 so the sale of the gm shares (2 billion dollars) is the surplus. Plus according to this article federal depts underspent their budgets by 8.7 billion dollars- so a bullshit surplus
http://ottawacitizen.com/news/natio...f-1-9-billion-in-2014-15-gives-harper-a-boost
So selling shares at a profit,...and retaining high paying jobs,...is not real money,...just pretend money and the jobs aren't real,...???

I do understand that this is counter to the Fiberals and the NDP Socialists philosophy on how economics works though,...!!!

FAST
 
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SkyRider

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Question: When the Feds spent billions to save GM union jobs, did this expenditure added to the deficit circa 2009?
 

red

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So selling shares at a profit,...and retaining high paying jobs,...is not real money,...just pretend money and the jobs aren't real,...???

I do understand that this is counter to the Fiberals and the NDP Socialists philosophy on how economics works though,...!!!

FAST
sold at a profit? the revenue from the shares was taken into income. not the profit. that's the way gov't accounting works.

they sold a capital asset and used it to plug an operating deficit. similar to ernie eves selling the 407 to have a balanced budget in Ontario. The timing of the sale was political. just like the decision to defer spending to the tune of 8.7 billion by govt departments so harper could declare a surplus. included in those deferrals are spending on military equipment and veterans.
 

JohnLarue

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As an example, approximately $31 billion (Statistics Canada)in salaries and wages at the federal level versus total expenses of approximately $270 billion (bnn.ca) for that same year. How much did you think we could save by firing all the pubic sector employees at the federal level, and have no one left to administer the very necessary programs? Of that $31 billion, how much of it was for politicians such as Harper and company? Where did the approximately $240 billion not going to salaries and wages go?

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/tables-tableaux/sum-som/l01/cst01/govt54b-eng.htm

https://www.google.ca/url?sa=i&rct=...o4hgzvwt9V_7ea--BdM-Y4hQ&ust=1442367377912264
Smaller govt does not mean no government
$31 B at the federal level, how much at provincial level (another $31 B?) & how much at the municipal level?
your stats do not take into account the golden pension obligations either

Firing all public sector employees is a ridiculous idea (where do you come up with such nonsense)
Trimming the fat with a 5-10% headcount reduction & paying them a salary & benefits package more inline with the private sector would be appropriate.

Answer me this
government generates approx. 1/3 of our GDP
however the all in tax burden on the average Canadian is north of 45% & some say closer to 50%

where is the difference ?
50% - 33% = 17% is that just the expected waste of government?

Note: the tax burden does not include the money from Corporate taxes
 
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