Musk turns on Trump! Grab your popcorn!

[Skoob]

I agree, he has been very successful in business, has he not? It is not like he is pulling a pyramid scheme.
Follow me as I think about this one.


I very strongly question Musk putting people on Mars as a second home philosophy in case we destroy this one
as just plain goofy, not brilliant as he thinks.

What is easier, using science to correct our earthly mistakes or teraforming another planet so we can fuck that one up?


The net says his IQ is 150 which is extraordinary but that is not based on science just accomplishments which can be misleading.
For example, Trumps IQ is ranked high because he graduated from Wharton, an Ivy league business college , but if his daddy got him in he degree was bought.

Seth Abramson is writting a biography on Musk asserts that, based on his research, "I would peg his IQ as between 100 and 110" and "There's zero evidence in his biography of anything higher."

Personally, I agree with Seth. Based on what I have seen Musk say and do, especially with his support of Trump who he now has turned on, is the mark of a man who does not have insight . I have never heard Musk say anything smart just like I have never heard Trump say anything smart. They say they are smart.

He claims he was coding and selling games as a child but that could be total BS

He has not created the brilliance of space flight, electric cars etc the people he hired has.

He runs a mega corporation which you would think must be complex but, so does Trump who is a fool, so did another fool called Harold Ballard.


IMHO, businessmen are like politicians - some are very bright and educated but that is not a prequesite as some are just plain
fucking stupid like Duck Donald

Meglomania is common in businessmen with power, you see it all thje time.

But did he con anyone in becoming the richest person in the world? That was the context of the post.

btw Using IQ is probably not the best measure in business:

Interesting info about that here: https://thinkgrowth.org/why-some-of-the-most-successful-people-arent-that-smart-4857fa33b696

 

[Skoob]

That's easy.
Why don't we use a recent example of his spectacular failure and con job at DOGE.
Promised 2T in cuts. Gutted federal agencies overseeing his businesses and ended up cutting 150B.
Even the lukewarm Bessent couldn't put up with it and literally slapped him right across the face to give him a black eye. lmfao.
He leverages his cult of personality to make extraordinary claims and create expectations, leading to stock market increases, only to under deliver.
The most recent con he is working on is a self sustaining city of 1M on Mars by 2050.
Of course the Elon stans love it because they gain their scientific knowledge from science fiction movies. lmfao.

Setting a target and not reaching it is not a con. If that were the case then most people on the planet would be considered cons by your measure.

But then again I'm trying to debate with someone who has no grasp of the English language, and who hates first, then tries to justify it later with poor excuses.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

Setting a target and not reaching it is not a con. If that were the case then most people on the planet would be considered cons by your measure.

Setting a target that one knows they would not be able to achieve, but still do, for personal gain, is the definition of a con.
But then again I am talking to someone who routinely engages in red herrings and mental gymnastics to justify and promote failed ideologies.

 

[Skoob]

Setting a target that one knows they would not be able to achieve, but still do, for personal gain, is the definition of a con.
But then again I am talking to someone who routinely engages in red herrings and mental gymnastics to justify and promote failed ideologies.

Prove that he knew he wouldn't achieve it.
You can't.

And that is why you constantly fail.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

Prove that he knew he wouldn't achieve it.
You can't.

And that is why you constantly fail.

I am not the one that is failing.
It is Elon and his stans like you that are failing.
I don't have to prove anything.
I already provided an example of a con job.
He has promised many such things and never delivered.
So his history of over promising and never delivering, combined with basic scientific knowledge that Mars is uninhabitable, leads a reasonable person to conclude that he is nothing more than a con man.

 

[Zoot Allures]

Another thing not discussed about Duck Donald - all these poeple he called brilliant
when he hired them he then calls fools when he fires them which means Trump's
judgement of people is extremely weak as he should have seen they were fools before he hired them.

But the facts are he fires those who do not kneel down to him whether they are competent or not

 

[Skoob]

I am not the one that is failing.
It is Elon and his stans like you that are failing.
I don't have to prove anything.
I already provided an example of a con job.
He has promised many such things and never delivered.
So his history of over promising and never delivering, combined with basic scientific knowledge that Mars is uninhabitable, leads a reasonable person to conclude that he is nothing more than a con man.

You provided accusations and assumptions.
So are you saying NASA scientists are all cons as well? Or are you just being stupid again?

Engineers and scientists around the country are working to develop the technologies astronauts will use to one day live and work on Mars and safely return home to Earth.
https://www.nasa.gov/humans-in-space/humans-to-mars/


Had enough failing for one day?

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

You provided accusations and assumptions.
So are you saying NASA scientists are all cons as well? Or are you just being stupid again?
Engineers and scientists around the country are working to develop the technologies astronauts will use to one day live and work on Mars and safely return home to Earth.
https://www.nasa.gov/humans-in-space/humans-to-mars/
Had enough failing for one day?

False equivalence, strawman and red herrings.
No, I am not playing into your distractions.
The topic of the discussion is Elon and his con job.
Elon has repeatedly made claims about multiple things and failed to deliver.
So Elon is a con man.
This isn't the case with NASA.
Infact, they are the only ones to put a human on an extra terrestrial surface. So they have merit.
Elon doesn't.
You seem to be a masochist humiliating yourself over and over again. lmfao.

 

[Frankfooter]

Another thing not discussed about Duck Donald, all these poeple he called brilliant
when he hired them then he calls fools when he fires them means Trump's
judgement of people is extremely weak as he should have seen they were fools before he hired them.

Its amazing how many total wackos he hires.
RFK jr might be the craziest of them all, but Elon is up there too.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1932940761344979010

 

[Skoob]

False equivalence, strawman and red herrings.
No, I am not playing into your distractions.
The topic of the discussion is Elon and his con job.
Elon has repeatedly made claims about multiple things and failed to deliver.
So Elon is a con man.
This isn't the case with NASA.
Infact, they are the only ones to put a human on an extra terrestrial surface. So they have merit.
Elon doesn't.
You seem to be a masochist humiliating yourself over and over again. lmfao.

In accusing Musk as being a con it was YOU who said this:
" So his history of over promising and never delivering, combined with basic scientific knowledge that Mars is uninhabitable, leads a reasonable person to conclude that he is nothing more than a con man. "

I showed you that NASA is also working on it and you now say that's different? They must all be cons then right?

Had enough failure for one day?

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

In accusing Musk as being a con it was YOU who said this:
" So his history of over promising and never delivering, combined with basic scientific knowledge that Mars is uninhabitable, leads a reasonable person to conclude that he is nothing more than a con man. "

Yes, and that is a statement of fact.
Mars is infact uninhabitable. I don't think anyone disputes it.
But when a conman with a history of over promising and never delivering tells you he is going to put 1M people on uninhabitable Mars by 2050, it is reasonable to conclude that he is conning you.
Unless you are a devoted Elon stan engaging in mental gymnastics of course.

 

[Skoob]

Yes, and that is a statement of fact.
Mars is infact uninhabitable. I don't think anyone disputes it.
But when a conman with a history of over promising and never delivering tells you he is going to put 1M people on uninhabitable Mars by 2050, it is reasonable to conclude that he is conning you.
Unless you are a devoted Elon stan engaging in mental gymnastics of course.

By your measure NASA is also conning everyone for pursuing the same thing.

You have no argument here and you fell on your face again. You're just doubling-down on your stupidity for all to see at this point.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

By your measure NASA is also conning everyone for pursuing the same thing.

You have no argument here and you fell on your face again. You're just doubling-down on your stupidity for all to see at this point

He does that in every debate

 

[Skoob]

He does that in every debate

I know.
This is sport to me. You can't pay for entertainment like this.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

By your measure NASA is also conning everyone for pursuing the same thing.
You have no argument here and you fell on your face again. You're just doubling-down on your stupidity for all to see at this point.

"By your measure" - what measure is that?
You have no clue about what you are talking about.
You just write words without thinking. lmfao.
No NASA is not conning anyone.
They are not even saying the same things as Elon. Elon is claiming he will put 1M people on Mars in a self-sustaining city by 2050. That is not NASA's claim.
So firstly you are showing me a page where NASA is developing technologies to go to Mars and saying it is the same as Musk's claim. This is false equivalency.
The issue is not in claiming that one will go to Mars.
The issue is that it comes from a guy who repeatedly fails to deliver on his promises.
NASA delivers.
Elon does not.
So Elon is a con. NASA isn't.
You have serious issues with critical thinking and you routinely humiliate yourself over and over again.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

So Elon is a con

Lets be honest, you only started hating Elon once he joined Trump's DOGE

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

Lets be honest, you only started hating Elon once he joined Trump's DOGE

No.
I always hated him for his con jobs, shady business practices, and his mistreatment of his employees.
His move to MAGA was just the cherry on top.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

No.
I always hated him for his con jobs, shady business practices, and his mistreatment of his employees

Bullshit

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

Bullshit

Believe, don't believe. IDC.
But hating Elon after he joined DOGE is also justified.
So not sure what your "gotcha" here is. You have none.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

don't believe

Dont mind if I do