Musk turns on Trump! Grab your popcorn!

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

Reusing to the boosters to land as part of the same flight is the accomplishment. Not simply reusing boosters after the fact.

Hahahahahahahahahahaha.
It is called a "reusable SRB" because it was used in a former flight, and is refurbished and reused again.
It is always after the fact and it doesn't matter if it was recovered from the sea or landed.
The efficiency gain in landing the booster, without having to recover it from the sea is the incremental improvement accomplished by SpaceX.
But booster reusability itself was pioneered and invented by NASA, not SpaceX.
Stop humiliating yourself for your own sake dummy.

 

[Skoob]

No they are not.
NASA is developing technologies that could be used in future exploration.
Elon is claiming he will put 1M people in a self-sustaining city on Mars by 2050.
These are wildly different claims and only a discombobulated, confused mind grasping at straws would find equivalence in this.

But earlier you were crying that Mars is uninhabitable and that Musk was conning people into thinking it could be. Did you actually mean he was ambitious or are you still doubling-down on calling him a con?
There were people who thought Kennedy was ambitious for setting a goal to land a man on the moon in less than a decade. Was he a con too?


So what exactly is NASA and the science community "exploring" about Mars in your mind and what is their end goal?

Then tell us why would anyone want to spend money on growing food on Mars if no one will inhabit that planet?

NASA study advances potential for Mars habitation
https://www.spaceforce.mil/News/Art...study-advances-potential-for-mars-habitation/

 

[Skoob]

Hahahahahahahahahahaha.
It is called a "reusable SRB" because it was used in a former flight, and is refurbished and reused again.
It is always after the fact and it doesn't matter if it was recovered from the sea or landed.
The efficiency gain in landing the booster, without having to recover it from the sea is the incremental improvement accomplished by SpaceX.
But booster reusability itself was pioneered and invented by NASA, not SpaceX.
Stop humiliating yourself for your own sake dummy.

So in other words you fell on your face again and now acknowledge that SpaceX succeeded in landing with the same boosters it used for take-off within the same flight and that it was an accomplishment.
I guess you wasted your time with all the tap dancing only to come clean in the end.

Thanks for admitting your ignorance.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

But earlier you were crying that Mars is uninhabitable and that Musk was conning people into thinking it could be.

Yes, both are true statements.
Mars IS uninhabitable.
And Elon is a con due to his past behaviour of claiming to be able to do things he couldn't deliver.
NASA and Elon are not remotely saying the same things.
Musk is claiming to put 1M people on Mars in a self-sustaining city by 2050. That is not NASA's claim.
The guy couldn't deliver Tesla FSD or cut 2T in government spending at DOGE and he is going to put 1M people on Mars by 2050 in a self-sustaining city?
He is as much a con man as Trump.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

So in other words you fell on your face again and now acknowledge that SpaceX succeeded in landing with the same boosters it used for take-off within the same flight and that it was an accomplishment.

I don't think anyone ever said SpaceX did not land boosters.
Are you lying again?
So after repeatedly humiliating yourself and grasping at straws to paint SpaceX as some Mars exploring pioneers you have now admitted that what they did was merely an incremental improvement to something NASA already invented and pioneered. lmfao.

 

[Skoob]

Yes, both are true statements.
Mars IS uninhabitable.
And Elon is a con due to his past behaviour of claiming to be able to do things he couldn't deliver.
NASA and Elon are not remotely saying the same things.
Musk is claiming to put 1M people on Mars in a self-sustaining city by 2050. That is not NASA's claim.
The guy couldn't deliver Tesla FSD or cut 2T in government spending at DOGE and he is going to put 1M people on Mars by 2050 in a self-sustaining city?
He is as much a con man as Trump.

Why do you think NASA is exploring inhabiting Mars? Are they bored? No goal for the future and just want to waste time and money right now?

He also said he could get a rocket to land upright...I'm sure people thought he was a "con"?

I bet you thought he was a con when he said he would interconnect the world via satellites and that electric cars would become mainstream?
How about commercial space travel? Think that's a con?

Problem with lazy people like you is that you don't aspire to do anything bold and only criticize other people who do to hide your lack of ambition and intelligence. It's that simple.

 

[Skoob]

I don't think anyone ever said SpaceX did not land boosters.
Are you lying again?
So after repeatedly humiliating yourself and grasping at straws to paint SpaceX as some Mars exploring pioneers you have now admitted that what they did was merely an incremental improvement to something NASA already invented and pioneered. lmfao.

So now you're saying he accomplished landing with the boosters and no one has before but that doesn't count?

Tell in your own words why you think that was a con?

WTF is an "incremental improvement" in this context? No one did it before.

An incremental improvement to that would have been something like doing it faster, or expending less fuel, etc.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

Why do you think NASA is exploring inhabiting Mars?

Why NASA is exploring inhabitation of Mars is not relevant to the discussion.
What is relevant to the discussion is whether Elon is a con for claiming that he will be able to put 1M people on Mars in a self sustaining city by 2050.
Given his track of record of not delivering on any of his promises, yes, he is a con for claiming that he will put 1M people on Mars in a self-sustaining city by 2050.
NASA is not claiming this.

Tell in your own words why you think that was a con?
WTF is an "incremental improvement" in this context? No one did it before.

I did not say landing boosters was a con.
Stop lying.
I said Elon's claim that he will put 1M people on Mars in a self sustaining city by 2050 is a con.
The incremental improvement is that he made reusing boosters more efficient.
Reusuable boosters are not SpaceX's invention. That is NASA's invention.
He just made reusing boosters easier by landing it instead of recovering it from the sea.

 

[bver_hunter]

The guy couldn't deliver Tesla FSD or cut 2T in government spending at DOGE and he is going to put 1M people on Mars by 2050 in a self-sustaining city?
He is as much a con man as Trump.

But Musk has built such a reliable and s are car such as this one:

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[Valcazar]

So if NASA suggests making Mars habitable it's for what, 2 people? Lol!

OMG, you really think that NASA is talking about making a city on Mars?

Please explain.

This you pretending to believe something, no matter how stupid it makes you look, like in the No Kings thread where you talk about the parade?
It's a bit you're doing, right?

 

[Valcazar]

NASA and Elon are not remotely saying the same things.
Musk is claiming to put 1M people on Mars in a self-sustaining city by 2050. That is not NASA's claim.
The guy couldn't deliver Tesla FSD or cut 2T in government spending at DOGE and he is going to put 1M people on Mars by 2050 in a self-sustaining city?
He is as much a con man as Trump.

The problem is that Skoob, as you may remember from other threads, is very much a stickler on exact wording.
Until Musk has been convicted in a court of law of a crime called "being a con man", Musk isn't one ins Skoob's eyes.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

The problem is that Skoob, as you may remember from other threads, is very much a stickler on exact wording.
Until Musk has been convicted in a court of law of a crime called "being a con man", Musk isn't one ins Skoob's eyes.

In addition to that, at this point he is just being dishonest about what NASA and Elon are claiming as well.
Not to mention that any inter planetary exploration is such a hugely cost prohibitive endeavour that no private corporation like SpaceX with shareholder expectations is going to take up that initiative, without the guarantees of government contracts.
Which means it is always going to be spearheaded by a federal agency - in this case NASA.
One such example is the Artemis program.
Which just means Elon's claim that HE will put 1M people on Mars in a self-sustaining city by 2050, is just another con to help build his cult of personality that he can leverage to sell bad cars lmao.

 

[Skoob]

Why NASA is exploring inhabitation of Mars is not relevant to the discussion.
What is relevant to the discussion is whether Elon is a con for claiming that he will be able to put 1M people on Mars in a self sustaining city by 2050.
Given his track of record of not delivering on any of his promises, yes, he is a con for claiming that he will put 1M people on Mars in a self-sustaining city by 2050.
NASA is not claiming this.

I did not say landing boosters was a con.
Stop lying.
I said Elon's claim that he will put 1M people on Mars in a self sustaining city by 2050 is a con.
The incremental improvement is that he made reusing boosters more efficient.
Reusuable boosters are not SpaceX's invention. That is NASA's invention.
He just made reusing boosters easier by landing it instead of recovering it from the sea.

It is relevant to the discussion because if you think Musk is a con for wanting to make Mars habitable, then you also think NASA and the scientific community are cons as well. They are all pursuing research for the same end goal. You think NASA is pursuing making Mars habitable for just a couple people?
I already showed you what Musk has predicted and accomplished and you just ignored it.
You know why you ignored it?
Because that's how your cognitive bias gets the better of you and makes you look stupid.

Getting a rocket to land is not "an incremental improvement".
And it's not just about reusing the boosters but also the whole rocket as nothing is discarded or burns up on re-entry. This will make deep space flight cheaper.

You would know that if you took a few minutes to look into the benefits rather than looking for reasons to minimize the great achievement.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

It is relevant to the discussion because if you think Musk is a con for wanting to make Mars habitable, then you also think NASA and the scientific community are cons as well.

NASA and Elon are not remotely making the same claims.
NASA's is NOT claiming, wanting or setting goals to make Mars habitable. Only Elon is.
Human exploration of Mars is not human habitation of Mars.
Stop lying about it.
With Elon's pathetic history of delivering what he promises, he is a con for claiming that he will put 1M people on Mars by 2050 in a self-sustaining city.

 

[Frankfooter]

NASA and Elon are not remotely making the same claims.
NASA's is NOT claiming, wanting or setting goals to make Mars habitable. Only Elon is.
Human exploration of Mars is not human habitation of Mars.
Stop lying about it.
With Elon's pathetic history of delivering what he promises, he is a con for claiming that he will put 1M people on Mars by 2050 in a self-sustaining city.

Its really quite amazing how bang on Don't Look Up was in its portrayal of Musk and his idea of escaping to another planet.

 

[Skoob]

NASA and Elon are not remotely making the same claims.
NASA's is NOT claiming, wanting or setting goals to make Mars habitable. Only Elon is.
Human exploration of Mars is not human habitation of Mars.
Stop lying about it.
With Elon's pathetic history of delivering what he promises, he is a con for claiming that he will put 1M people on Mars by 2050 in a self-sustaining city.

So you're blaming Musk for setting goals? That's where your hatred is coming from?

btw NASA literally has a website called "Humans to Mars". Why do you think that would be?

"Engineers and scientists around the country are working to develop the technologies astronauts will use to one day live and work on Mars and safely return home to Earth."
https://www.nasa.gov/humans-in-space/humans-to-mars/#preparing

Shaquille: "Human exploration of Mars is not human habitation of Mars." >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

You said I'm lying. You owe me an apology.

Serious question: are you purposely trying to be stupid or does it just come naturally for you?

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

So you're blaming Musk for setting goals?

No. I am blaming and hating him for being a con man. Which he is.
"Engineers and scientists around the country are working to develop the technologies astronauts will use to one day live and work on Mars and safely return home to Earth."
and
"I will put 1M people on Mars by 2050 in a self-sustaining city"
are wildly different statements that aren't remotely close to being the same.
NASA's statement doesn't set hard targets. Why?
Because they know a thing or two about space exploration and they know that Mars is uninhabitable and that we do not have the technologies currently to reliably predict when such human exploration can take place.
Elon's statement on the other hand is derived from science fiction, to con stans like you for his benefit.
Then there is credibility.
NASA has credibility.
Elon has none.
So again, he is a con.
So again, stop lying, grasping at straws, attributing false equivalence where none exist and humiliating yourself over and over in the process. Dummy.

 

[Skoob]

No. I am blaming and hating him for being a con man. Which he is.
"Engineers and scientists around the country are working to develop the technologies astronauts will use to one day live and work on Mars and safely return home to Earth."
and
"I will put 1M people on Mars by 2050 in a self-sustaining city"
are wildly different statements that aren't remotely close to being the same.
NASA's statement doesn't set hard targets. Why?
Because they know a thing or two about space exploration and they know that Mars is uninhabitable and that we do not have the technologies currently to reliably predict when such human exploration can take place.
Elon's statement on the other hand is derived from science fiction, to con stans like you for his benefit.
Then there is credibility.
NASA has credibility.
Elon has none.
So again, he is a con.
So again, stop lying, grasping at straws, attributing false equivalence where none exist and humiliating yourself over and over in the process. Dummy.

Semantics.
That's all you really are trying to argue after you fell on your face not knowing that NASA was pursuing inhabiting Mars. Why would they be working with SpaceX?
A smart person would come to the conclusion that if Mars is habitable, then there would be many who can live there. Musk just put a number on it as visionaries typically do.

Give it up all you are doing now is tap dancing. If humanity was like you, we would still be living in caves and aspiring to do nothing...similar to you at your daily DEI hire job.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

Semantics.

Calling that semantics is like saying there is no difference between actually owning a business vs claiming to own one like you did. lmao.
No, it is actually the difference between fraud and reality.
It is because humanity is like me, your heroes that are yakked out of their minds are getting trashed on a daily basis while mental gymnasts like you are having to put up with a 4th Liberal term, lmfao.

 

[Valcazar]

In addition to that, at this point he is just being dishonest about what NASA and Elon are claiming as well.
Not to mention that any inter planetary exploration is such a hugely cost prohibitive endeavour that no private corporation like SpaceX with shareholder expectations is going to take up that initiative, without the guarantees of government contracts.
Which means it is always going to be spearheaded by a federal agency - in this case NASA.
One such example is the Artemis program.
Which just means Elon's claim that HE will put 1M people on Mars in a self-sustaining city by 2050, is just another con to help build his cult of personality that he can leverage to sell bad cars lmao.

It isn't necessarily him being dishonest. He could just be stupid.
But more likely he is being a specific form of misleading, playing semantic games about the word "habitable".
He's big on semantic bullshit as a "gotcha" (he reminds me of many white evangelicals doing their bit with the imaginary atheists in their heads) and it is always a bit tricky to tell whether he thinks these are actually good arguments or he just thinks they are "own the libs" buttons on the game console.

The SEC fraud issues are fraud, that's a different word - so he's not a con man.
The fake gaming thing is lying, that's a different word - so he's not a con man.
The constant lying about Tesla's full driving is just "being ambitious" - so he's not a con man.

That's just the way this goes.
Besides, when it comes to Musk, Skoob has complete confidence, man.