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Hello to all Terbite techies and geeks:

The good doc is neither a techie nor a geek and he needs help!!! Here it goes:

My own Notebook pc crashed repeatedly (Window XP-Professional Edition could not start properly & at one time just crashed in the heat of the moment. :eek: ). All in all about 10 times (happened 5 times in a two day period a month ago and now happened another 5 times in two days). The screen read “Stop (Registry file failure). Registry cannot load the hive (file)system rootsystem 32configsoftware or its log or alternate.
It is corrupt/absent, or not writable.
Beginning dump of physical memory.
Physical dump complete.
Contact your system administrator or tech support for further assistance.


The first time I ran the Windows Blue Screen Diagnostic, it said it failed the read test 16 times (on 16 blocks) and failed the verify test 4 times on (4 blocks). Everything else passed. This time I ran the Windows Blue Screen Diagnostic Test, all past. Except at the verify test, one block failed. It asked me if I wanted to rerun the test. I did. Then it pass the verify test as well. Hmm...I wondered whether it was repaired by the Chkdsk/r when in safe mode with command prompt?

Here are the specifics of the Windows Blue Screen Diagnostic:
L1 Data Cache Patter test -P (P means passed)
L1 Data Cache Walking Bit Test –P
L2 Cache Pattern test –P
L2 Cache Walking Bit Test –P
L2 Cache MATS Test –P
Realtime Clock –RTC Functionality Test -P
Realtime Clock –CMOS Confidence Test-P
System Timer- Timer Functionality Test-P
Interrupt Controller – PIC Functionality Test-P
System Memory – Data Bus Stress-P
System Memory – MATS-P
System Memory-March A Test-P
System Memory-March B Test-P
System Memory-March C Test-P
System Memory-March X Test-P
System Memory-March Y Test-P
System Memory-Data Line Test-P
IDE Disk S/N=MRL402L4GX7N2B-Confidence Test (No Test)
IDE Disk S/N=MRL402L4GX7N2B-Device Self Test –P
IDE Disk S/N=MRL402L4GX7N2B-Read Test –Failed 16 times on 16 blocks first time. This time it passed with no failure.

IDE Disk S/N=MRL402L4GX7N2B-Verify Test-Failed 4 times on 4 blocks, all else passed last time. This time it failed one block but upon retest, all passed.

IDE Disk S/N=MRL402L4GX7N2B-Seek Test-P
IDE Disk S/N=MRL402L4GX7N2B-S.M.A.R.T. Test-P
IDE Disk S/N=MRL402L4GX7N2B-Start unit (idle) Command-P
IDE Disk S/N=MRL402L4GX7N2B-Stop unit (standby) command-P


Questions:
1) do the symptoms point to a hard drive problem which may need a hard drive replacement sooner or later? Or it is a simpler problem as presented by the Windows Error Reporting:

"Problem caused by a hard disk drive error
Windows was temporarily unable to read your hard disk drive. This problem is general in nature and we are unable to determine the specific cause of the problem from the error report. In most cases this problem is temporary and can be ignored.

Common causes of this problem include:
• Large file transfers from secondary media, such as an external hard drive, to a local hard drive.
• The loss of power to a hard disk drive that causes inconsistent data sectors.
• Problems entering Hibernation or Standby Mode.
• Hard drive lag caused by filter drivers, such as virus scanners."


What can I do
2) to prevent it from crashing and worse still,
3) to prevent it from losing all files and data due to a hard drive failure?

I don’t know the answer to 1).
For 2) Will reformatting the existing internal hard drive solve the problem? If so, what is the best way of doing it? But back up all data first for reinstallation later upon reformatting? Or do you need to? What software is the best available and easiest to use?

But for 3) I imagine it is to back up all the data from the existing hard drive to another drive. Now since it is a notebook, it will be an external hard drive. I am thinking of buying “Copy Commander” as copying the entire drive in simplest steps is exactly what I want. My related question is, if I copy the content of the entire hard drive to a new drive, will it have the same problem with starting the computer since presumably whatever is defective is being copied to the external drive. So if the internal hard drive failed, my back up drive will not jump start the Notebook computer either. Is my assumption correct? If so, what are the remedies? Do I install a back up copy of Window XP operating system to the external drive first? I am not sure it is the operating system`s fault. Or this is the case of finding the defect and avoid copying it? If so, how to locate the defect? Somewhere I read it is more complicated to install the operating system to an external drive, why is that? And what do I do to overcome that?

I apologize for asking so many questions in one post. Please feel free to answer anyone you like. Appreciate all of your insights in advance. Thanks.
 

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luv4lust said:
maybe you need a cute lil lap top
LOL!!! What I have now for my own personal use is a big bad Dell Inspiron XPS. It has been 4 years. Something is bound to go wrong. I am more interested in preserving all my files and data. My suspicion is there is something groovy about the hard drive. Need to set up my back up system before it will quit on me permanently. :eek: May be what the good doc needs is a cute lil lap dance. *Wink, wink* LOL!!!
 

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Scenicdrive said:
Something is bound to go wrong. I am more interested in preserving all my files and data. My suspicion is there is something groovy about the hard drive. !!
You have been backing up regularly, right?
 

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Ok, here we go.....My area of expertise, or one of them anyway...

First off - get as much data off there as you can, preferably not booting from that drive. Use a Linux LiveCD or something similar.

It sounds to me like you probably some bad blocks on the drive, now this may be fixed with a low level format (this is much deeper than running the format command) then reinstalling the OS. I would say this has a 50/50 chance of working. If it doesnt work its new drive time...

I can help with this in confidence if needed, just drop me a pm.
 

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Actually after having just recovered two computers, one Mac and One Wintel, I have a rather strong opinion here. I tried to "upgrade" them to bring them back from the dead. Well it worked kinda. Enough to back up the data, mp3 and movies anyway ...

Save your data, reformat and reinstall. It's a pain, but they run much faster and are much more stable now. For the Wintel box I re-install once a year and the Mac it's been 3 years coming (Leopard woo hoo).

If at all possible it helps to keep the stuff you wanna keep on a separate disk, that way re-installs are much less stressful. Oh an a tip. Disconnect the data drive while re-installing. One fat finger and poof! All gone. Gone for good.

The last bit that is really important. Find a cheap NAS drive enclosure and hook it up to your router, this way your stuff is safe from lots of things.
 

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Thanks guys. I am buying a 500GB external HD to back up data for the existing funny internal HD. Can I install a copy of the Windows XP OS to it? Somehow I saw somewhere saying that it is tricky to do. If so, why? How then to get around it? I thought this way, even without the internal HD or if it is dead, the external HD can boot up the OS and render the PC functional.
Can this be done?
 

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That depends really. If the Bios will support booting from an external USB device yes it will work, but you will get a major performance hit as the effective USB bandwidth is nowhere near as much as the internal hard disk bandwidth. I have run an OS from a USB memory stick, and whilst it works it is not as quick as on the internal disk.

Also a replacement internal HDD can be fairly easily sourced. Probably not from future shop or their like. I can get prices if you let me know what capacity you need.
 

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PDSAjax said:
That depends really. If the Bios will support booting from an external USB device yes it will work, but you will get a major performance hit as the effective USB bandwidth is nowhere near as much as the internal hard disk bandwidth. I have run an OS from a USB memory stick, and whilst it works it is not as quick as on the internal disk.

Also a replacement internal HDD can be fairly easily sourced. Probably not from future shop or their like. I can get prices if you let me know what capacity you need.
Thanks for the answer. I guess it does not hurt to try and see what happen running an OS externally. As for the internal HDD, this is a Dell Inspiron XPS Notebook, with a 80GB Ultra ATA Hard Drive. The Dell people will sell them but I have not checked the price yet.
 

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Scenicdrive said:
Thanks guys. I am buying a 500GB external HD to back up data for the existing funny internal HD. Can I install a copy of the Windows XP OS to it? Somehow I saw somewhere saying that it is tricky to do. If so, why? How then to get around it? I thought this way, even without the internal HD or if it is dead, the external HD can boot up the OS and render the PC functional.
Can this be done?
I have an 160GB ext HDD with XP on it, on a 40GB partition. The other partition is for storage and backup. This way if the main HDD dies all I do is swap HDDs with the ext HDD and I'm up and running in the time it takes to swap drives. When I first did this the extra drive was a slave drive in the desktop. As a slave drive I copied over the OS from the master drive onto that 40GB partition on the slave drive....didn't even need any XP reinstall CD. Then took out the slave drive and put in in an enclosure where it sits now for storage and acts as an emergency backup HDD in case the main drive fails.
Right now that 40GB partition shows up as the 'F' drive in the ext HDD. When I swap drives that 'F' drive becomes the 'C' drive again and boots up normally with no problems.
I don't bother trying to run the OS off the ext HDD because it would run too slow using the usb cable.
 
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My experiences with random crashes were attributed to one of 3 things:
-Bad motherboard
-Bad memory (try memtest86)
-Bad master HD (full format did not help, had to replace the drive)
 

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WoodPeckr said:
I have an 160GB ext HDD with XP on it, on a 40GB partition. The other partition is for storage and backup. This way if the main HDD dies all I do is swap HDDs with the ext HDD and I`m up and running in the time it takes to swap drives. When I first did this the extra drive was a slave drive in the desktop. As a slave drive I copied over the OS from the master drive onto that 40GB partition on the slave drive....didn`t even need any XP reinstall CD. Then took out the slave drive and put in in an enclosure where it sits now for storage and acts as an emergency backup HDD in case the main drive fails.
Right now that 40GB partition shows up as the `F` drive in the ext HDD. When I swap drives that `F` drive becomes the `C` drive again and boots up normally with no problems.
I don`t bother trying to run the OS off the ext HDD because it would run too slow using the usb cable.
Interesting indeed. My question is whether this strategy works for a notebook pc? The external HDD is usaually a lot bigger in size than an internal HDD in a notebook pc. Thus it will not be possible to swap these two when the internal HDD dies.

However, lets say if I have another internal HDD for this notebook pc. Is there same adapter or device which can allow this to be used as an external HDD? Then when the one inside the notebook pc dies or malfunctions, I can switch this `external` (which is really an internal HDD) HDD in place of the bad one. According to this post, https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=1922749&postcount=2, it can be done. If so, it should be a good solution as a back up and replacement internal HDD. :)
 

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Scenicdrive said:
However, lets say if I have another internal HDD for this notebook pc. Is there same adapter or device which can allow this to be used as an external HDD? Then when the one inside the notebook pc dies or malfunctions, I can switch this `external` (which is really an internal HDD) HDD in place of the bad one. According to this post, https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=1922749&postcount=2, it can be done. If so, it should be a good solution as a back up and replacement internal HDD. :)
Yes, you can do the same thing with the smaller laptop HDDs. They have smaller laptop enclosures for this purpose.
The only thing you need is a usb cable to connect the ext HDD to either your laptop or desktop PC.
I prefer using the full size desktop HDDs because they have a larger capacity, spin faster (7200 vs 5400 rpm) and are cheaper than the smaller laptop HDDs.
 

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WoodPeckr said:
Yes, you can do the same thing with the smaller laptop HDDs. They have smaller laptop enclosures for this purpose.
The only thing you need is a usb cable to connect the ext HDD to either your laptop or desktop PC.
I prefer using the full size desktop HDDs because they have a larger capacity, spin faster (7200 vs 5400 rpm) and are cheaper than the smaller laptop HDDs.
Thanks. In that case, the thing to do is to buy another internal HDD, use it as a back up drive, until the existing one works no more. My question is where do I buy HDD enclosures for my purpose? I don't think places such as Office Depot has it. Another thing, what if the internal hard drive dies all of a sudden? Can I still extract my files and data from it by linking it to USB port and copy to the good HDD drive?
 

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Scenicdrive said:
My question is where do I buy HDD enclosures for my purpose? I don't think places such as Office Depot has it. Another thing, what if the internal hard drive dies all of a sudden? Can I still extract my files and data from it by linking it to USB port and copy to the good HDD drive?
Office Depot, Best Buy, Circuit City, etc., sell both type enclosures but they can be pricy unless you catch a sale. I bought mine online at www.Newegg.com at half the price of those others mentioned. Ordered it monday, got it thursday.

As thirdtime said, if your HDD completely dies, you lose all, unless you want to pay a hefty fee to one of several places that can still recover data off a dead drive.
 

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thirdtime said:
You can get hard drive enclosures for 2.5" drives here:

http://www.canadacomputers.com/main.php?do=ShowProdList&cmd=pl&id=516.551

You can also get a new hard drive from them.

If your existing drive dies, it's dead. You won't be able to retrieve anything from it.

WoodPeckr said:
....I bought mine online at www.Newegg.com at half the price of those others mentioned. Ordered it monday, got it thursday.

As thirdtime said, if your HDD completely dies, you lose all, unless you want to pay a hefty fee to one of several places that can still recover data off a dead drive.
Thanks guys. I am currently on the USA side but shall attempt to get the gadgets from them. Hope they have no problem sending over the enclosures. I attempted to back up the entire content of internal HDD to the external HDD I just bought. Got to 10% of the data and it just hangs without further copying. Wonder what is the problem? May be the corrupted parts cannot be copied? May be I have to back up in small chunks (say 10-15 GB) at a time instea of doing it in one shot?

The hard drive fails the read test and verify test randomly these days. I performed the Diagnostic (Windows blue screen or OS will not boot up), rerun the read or verify test if it fails. The computer ususally starts up normally afterwards for a few times and fails to boot up again. Hope it last long enough for me to back up everything. :eek:
 

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See your PM's for some prices of 2.5" drives, if anyone else is interested, PM me rather than discussing in the open.
 

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I attempted to back up the entire content of internal HDD to the external HDD I just bought. Got to 10% of the data and it just hangs without further copying. Wonder what is the problem?
Windows can't copy itself if it's running.
What you need is to remove the hard drive from the notebook and either put it in your external enclosure or connect it to another computer with a 2.5" hard drive to standard IDE adapter.
Then you could copy the entire hard drive (or partition) out to another drive.
 

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thirdtime said:
Windows can't copy itself if it's running.
What you need is to remove the hard drive from the notebook and either put it in your external enclosure or connect it to another computer with a 2.5" hard drive to standard IDE adapter.
Then you could copy the entire hard drive (or partition) out to another drive.
Thanks. But your advice may come a little too late. Now when I run the diagnostics, the computer said it failed the DST Short Test and I cannot get the Windows OS running, not even the safe mode. I save most of my files except the program files. Oh well. Just wondering it is still a matter of installing a new internal HDD and reinstall the OS or the problem is more serious now? :confused: Is my internal HDD dead now?
 
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