My thoughts on the OTT/TOR series...
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Starts chanting, "We're #2! We're #2! We're #2!Goober Mcfly said:
Personally I never wish ill will on the other team - I just hope they lose that's all. After all, that's my job as a fan.
But there are those to take things too far. The "Sens Suck" chant was a sign of that. Other boneheads boo the American anthem, while others start chanting U S A U S A U S A as if this is a coutry vs country thing instead of team vs team. Unfortunately the going too far isn't limited to normal fans though - Ottawa city council agreed that fans wearing Leaf jerseys should donate to the food bank and the Leafs responded by donating $5000 to the Ottawa food bank. IMHO that was really sillyness taken to a new level.
238-154. Shots on goal, Ottawa/Toronto.Ranger68 said:
But you said the entire Leaf TEAM outplayed the Senators. I still don't understand how one player's stellar performance translates into an entire team outplaying the other... Please do explain.
And this only came from ALL Senators fans, right? There were NO Leaf fans with "Sens Suck" signs. There weren't any "third jersey" jokes circulating with the Senator's logo-guy with a fist around his throat. Right. It's all the bad Ottawa fans.
I don't recall myself doing anything else either. Or are you painting us all with the same brush again?
Shots don't win series, or even games. Goals do. If you're TRYING to say that the Senators *skaters* outplayed, on the whole, the Leafs *skaters*, you may have a point. But a WHOLE TEAM isn't just skaters. The goalie's a big part of it - a big part of TEAM SUCCESS. Again, I didn't say that every Leaf player outplayed every Sens player - just that the Leafs, as a whole, outplayed the Sens. To which you replied I was living in a dream world ......Goober Mcfly said:
I've NEVER seen anyone in Toronto walking around with a "Sens suck" shirt or hat. Nor anyone at any games. Wish I could say the same about Sens games I've seen in Ottawa, where "Leafs suck" was PREVALENT. Why aren't these guys putting more effort into rooting for their team than rooting against Toronto?
I'm not painting you all with the same brush and never have, so don't pull out that "again" card.
I don't know whether you wear a "Leafs suck" shirt or not. I know that lots of Sens fans do, and it's disappointing that a rivalry gets carried so far - AT ALL TIMES OF THE YEAR. The playoffs is one thing. A little bashing is expected.And, to conclude, of course there are idiots on both sides.
Just to point out the error in your logic:Ranger68 said:
Hypothetically! In a seven game series, the scores are:
Ott 6 Tor 1
Ott 1 Tor 2
Ott 0 Tor 2
Ott 4 Tor 1
Ott 0 Tor 1
Ott 1 Tor 0
Ott 1 Tor 2
Total goals? Ott 13 Tor 9
Total games? Ott 3 Tor 4
So? Who won the series?
Leafs, four games to three.Goober Mcfly said:
There's no error in my logic - I'm pointing to a statistic that backs up the fact that the Leafs outplayed the Senators in the actual series.
In the series you've invented above, I'd say the Leafs (perhaps marginally) outplayed the Senators in four games, and the Sens (mostly very badly) outplayed the Leafs in three games - thus, the result of the series. To say that the Sens outplayed the Leafs in that series would be to assign too much importance to individual game results. Let's say they'd won one of those games 42-0 and outshot them 216-4. In fact, stick that game into a series which has the Leafs winning four games to ONE. The Sens would likely end up winning every statistical category you can imagine. But would they have outplayed them in the series? No.
A series is a sequence of games. This series was very close - four to three. The Leafs won four games. The Leafs outplayed the Senators in the series. It was close, but the Leafs outplayed the Senators.
I'll even throw you a bone and be more specific. I think Belfour fairly soundly outplayed Lalime, and the Senators skaters fairly badly (but not by quite the same margin) outplayed the Leafs skaters.
How's that?
Hallelujah! This is EXACTLY what I think. To the letter.Ranger68 said:
When you said "out-played", I think you mean "out-won". But that point is moot.
Let's let by-gones be by-gones and unite in cheering for the Flyers in the next round!
Well, don't expect me to make your arguments for you.
Look, I pretty much knew what you were saying - but I disagree with this artificial separation of one or two players - especially the goalie - from the overall play of the team.
Again, hockey's a team sport. The Leafs won the series, ipso facto, they OUTPLAYED the Sens.
Would they have won without Belfour? Well, not with KIDD certainly, so a definitive "no".
Let's hope the Sens and Leafs don't meet again in the playoffs for some years. ... For EVERYONE'S sake.
Look, I pretty much knew what you were saying - but I disagree with this artificial separation of one or two players - especially the goalie - from the overall play of the team.
Again, hockey's a team sport. The Leafs won the series, ipso facto, they OUTPLAYED the Sens.
Would they have won without Belfour? Well, not with KIDD certainly, so a definitive "no".
Let's hope the Sens and Leafs don't meet again in the playoffs for some years. ... For EVERYONE'S sake.
GOBER MANG U COULD SEE AT THE 5TH GAME THAT THE SENS LOST WHAT THEY HAD AND IT SEEMED LIKE IT WAS OVER FROM THERE WELL U HAVE TO THINK THAT AFTER BEING TAKEN OUT BY THE SAME TEAM 4 OIT 5 YEARS THAT HAS TO PLAY MIND GAMES WITH THE PLAYERS AND U COULD SEE THAT FOR THEM IN THE WAY THEY PLAYED LAST 3 GAMES SORRY ABOUT YOUR LUCK. YOUR KNOW WHAT YOU GUYS SHOULD DO RIGHT AWAY IS CALL BOSTON FOR THE BEST DEALS ON GOLF CLUBS AND GREENS SORRY ABOUT YOUR LUCK, BUT GO LEAFS GO
I love hockey. I gives people like Ranger the chance to out-smart themselves. Not that much effort was required.
Sens fans and Leaf fans are passionate about their teams for different reasons. Leafs fans are still pining for the good old, pre-Ballard days. It was a hard slog through the eighties, when every possible hockey joke conceivable to the sick mind of man was being made at the expense of the Buds. I don't think the demons of that era will finnally be exorcized until the Leafs win the cup - which is a hard burden to cheer under.
For Sens fans, speaking personnally, we are still waiting for our team to come into its own. This may not make sense, given that our young team with its tiny budget has done phenomenally well over the past few years. The playoffs have never seen the Sens at their best, but the fact that the Sens are consistently in the playoffs at all is an accomplishment. I think that somewhere, far back in the minds of Sens fans, the team is still searching for legitimacy. Ottawa as a city, it always seemed to me, has a bit of an inferiority complex - after all, this small city of less than a million people has to endure alot of wrath from the rest of the country. Toronto does as well, but it is, after all, the biggest kid on the block. I think that, while in reality the Senators have nothing to prove, they and their fans are still suffering to some degree from "expansion team complex."
Now, for some recomendations. If consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, then the Sens could never be accused of being small-minded. Fire Martin. He's an excellent coach, but something just seems to fall apart for this team during the playoffs. I think a little more fire on the bench is needed.
Sens fans and Leaf fans are passionate about their teams for different reasons. Leafs fans are still pining for the good old, pre-Ballard days. It was a hard slog through the eighties, when every possible hockey joke conceivable to the sick mind of man was being made at the expense of the Buds. I don't think the demons of that era will finnally be exorcized until the Leafs win the cup - which is a hard burden to cheer under.
For Sens fans, speaking personnally, we are still waiting for our team to come into its own. This may not make sense, given that our young team with its tiny budget has done phenomenally well over the past few years. The playoffs have never seen the Sens at their best, but the fact that the Sens are consistently in the playoffs at all is an accomplishment. I think that somewhere, far back in the minds of Sens fans, the team is still searching for legitimacy. Ottawa as a city, it always seemed to me, has a bit of an inferiority complex - after all, this small city of less than a million people has to endure alot of wrath from the rest of the country. Toronto does as well, but it is, after all, the biggest kid on the block. I think that, while in reality the Senators have nothing to prove, they and their fans are still suffering to some degree from "expansion team complex."
Now, for some recomendations. If consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, then the Sens could never be accused of being small-minded. Fire Martin. He's an excellent coach, but something just seems to fall apart for this team during the playoffs. I think a little more fire on the bench is needed.
