NDP fiscal plan
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if you are trolling me, thats okay..if not,you really dont comprehend simple English, which is the polite way of saying you are thicker than a brick
canadians do deserve better ....... and thats why we can only hope Harper is gone in another month..
Apparently so are you: Did you believe Harper's promise to never ever run deficits?
Apparently you imagine the NDP should be held to a higher standard of truthiness for their much smaller promise, but why you think I'd have the least thing to do with their effort, again only you can say.
All up to you elmo. Any thoughts?
I firmly believe he had no intention of ever running a deficit
And then 2008 hit
Face with the worse financial crisis since the 1930s he determined deficit spending was appropriate
In your simpleton world he was damned as a liar if he did & damned as not acting in the best interest of the country if he did not.
Sadly the word is a little more complicated than your black & white view on issues
Harper did exactly as he said he would wrt his deficit spending plan
Muclair is already misleading (lying) about no tax increases. his CPP & EI increases will mean smaller paycheques
the NDP also has a horrible track record of irresponsible spending @ the provincial level
Sorry Thomas, not buying what you are selling
& Justin well....... he is just plain not bright enough to handle anything beyond a grade 3 class. Handing him the Federal chequebook would be a disaster
Let us know when you get one
thats your logic, which you decided to attach to me, you know nothing.........................but at least we havent got banned , same cant be said for Frankfooter and Fast
yes, you are trolling me, so i will let it go................either that or you really are as bad a reader as you are a speller......see you in another topic Larue, you are boring me now....go ahead i will allow you the final word
Well my Brother and sister are unemployed now and they are depending on my vote for the NDP.
MulCair plan will not lower unemployment. It will increase unemployment
Justin's plan may bump unemployment down a bp or two, for three years via deficit spending, but then what?
he can not continue to spend more than incoming tax revenue
He will need to raise taxes
Of coarse by then interest rates will have risen and we will be paying a lot for his flawed plan (which sole purpose is to gain power)
neither plans are sustainable
And clearly much more complicated than Mr. Harper's simpleton's black and white about never running deficits. One would think anyone supposedly so smart would be able to put what was merely an intention into actual words. Never mind, guys like you are still following him down the road he paved with those 'good intentions'. But somehow no one else is allowed anything similar, not even for just a realistic couple of budgets instead of Harper's promised No-deficit Neverland. Or his eight years of them. They all lie but only the Con can be trusted, eh?
Funny how neither Harper nor his claque ever mentioned his fiscally foolish boasting when he actually had to deal with the real world of being a responsible first minister and crib from the Keynesian playbook he swiped. Even funnier is how he and his dwindling following of apologists try to attack other party leaders for promising to do what he said he'd never do then did for close to a decade, and for also promising also to do also what Harper is now boasting of.
Although that accomplishment he grandly calls a surplus amounts to a rounding error, a mere .6% of the total budget, and is less than the money budgeted for veterans but never spent on them by his government. We have small reason to believe any of the other parties would achieve their spending targets similarly, and every hope they wouldn't.
And we have no reason at all to believe 'Never a Deficit' about anything. Wanna buy a Patrol Icebreaker? or an Arctic deepwater port to berth it?
Nice of you to pick up elmo's ball for him, but once again you missed the net.
I'm not sure that raising taxes on employers and the middle class is the way to draw investment and jumpstart the economy...... Canada's real issue is productivity, not social spending:
Canadian growth is lethargic, and it is a structural problem as much as a cyclical one. A key culprit: poor productivity growth compared with other economies with which we compete. The result: Canadian business productivity levels are now about 70 per cent of U.S. levels, and getting worse.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...conomics-experts-onequestion/article26384723/
Canadian growth is lethargic, and it is a structural problem as much as a cyclical one. A key culprit: poor productivity growth compared with other economies with which we compete. The result: Canadian business productivity levels are now about 70 per cent of U.S. levels, and getting worse.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...conomics-experts-onequestion/article26384723/
Again 2008 hit. It was an unexpected and vey serve shock. the worst crisis since the depression.
Sometimes one needs to react to the changing environment
Had he not run deficits you would be bad mouthing him for that
Instead you are bad mouthing hi for reacting to a crisis.
The real issue is he conservative & believes in prudent management of taxpayers money. That is directly opposed to your philosophy of spend without reguard and then look for someone else to pay for it
He can not win with you
There is a big difference between laying out a responsible plan & following it (as he did) and running perpetual deficits
Question for you
Running a deficit results in increased borrowing
So was there an increase in borrowing ?
No
Nothing but blither
Unfortunately both the liberals & the NDP think any issue can be addressed by throwing hard earned taxpayers money at it
productivity changes require investment ($ and time) by business, so how does the government encourage this ?
By introducing new payroll taxes (OPP) ? No Ontario business will need incur costs to administer this.
by increasing corporate taxes ? No
By taxing the 1% ? No
So their major economic policies appear to be doing nothing to improve the major issue impacting our economy
You will recall that Harper oversaw the Canadian tax dollars thru a very tumultuous and bad global recession, that Canada came out of in the best position.
You will also recall, the left called for all these spending measures at the time ....urging Harper to spend spend spend..... Yes he did run the deficit to keep canada strong and in line with the lefts blessing at the time.
We are poised to be balanced again....the left is forgetting that they supported this spending back in the day.
NDP's fiscal plan - more taxes, more spending and increasing the minimum wage. That would crush our already fragile economy. It's amazing how Ontarians forget about the disastrous Rae gov't coming into power during a recession and the absolute mess they made of the economy. Do we really want to go through that federally?
Mulcair also promised to simultaneously reduce the retirement age to 60 while raising the minimum wage. Mulcair must like the Greek tragedy and clearly is seeking votes from those with nothing to lose.
I emphasized the fantasy you invented about 'my philosophy', of which you clearly know nothing. If you're right, and I'm wrong about 'my philosophy' you won't have any trouble finding a quote to prove your assertion. Until then, try the novel approach of arguing from facts and logic; the personal you seem to prefer just doesn't work.
Again you ignore the basic issue with Harper: He has no respect for truth, thus the stupid lying promise about never running deficits that would shame even a grade-schooler. Grade-schoolers know the environment always changes, and indeed I would be bad-mouthing him for not running those deficits. Instead, I blame him for being too stupid to see the possibility, or imagining we voters were. Either way he's a man of no principles and little foresight in the public realm. But as for "…bad mouthing hi[sic] for reacting to a crisis", show me where I said he was wrong to run them.
As for prudently managing our money, piling up his petty little rounding error of a 'surplus' by short-changing vets and not equipping the armed forces (never mind other cuts like food and drug inspections, fisheries and other research) by not spending what his party voted to spend may well be penny-wise, but as a principled strategy for conserving our country it's rotten to the core, and as pound-foolish as it gets. He certainly cannot win with me, and anytime you want to talk about the many other reasons for that beyond the fiscal, we can.
Your nonsense about anyone running perpetual deficits is of course more LaRue invention, and as stupid an untruth as "… never running deficits". What you and Harper imagine you coonvince with such hollow blither is beyond me. We all can see who's foolish enough to support and repeat it.
You finished with a question, but gave your own answer:
So your premise is wrong. If running eight of the biggest deficits in history really didn't increase borrowing (Oh yeah? Your Florida swampland brochures are in the mail.) then running deficits does not necessarily increase borrowing.
That nonsense is so much like promising never to run deficits because they're always bad, then running them because they're good for the country it's easy to see why Harper attracts you.
But what's merely inconsequential blither from you is the worst sort of manipulative hypocritical mendacity when it comes from anyone aspiring to lead us.
