NDP fiscal plan

elmo

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Apparently so are you: Did you believe Harper's promise to never ever run deficits?

Apparently you imagine the NDP should be held to a higher standard of truthiness for their much smaller promise, but why you think I'd have the least thing to do with their effort, again only you can say.

All up to you elmo. Any thoughts?
Still no answer huh?
 

oldjones

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Still no answer huh?
Evidently you have no thoughts to contribute. You haven't read my reply, nor have you answered my question. Did you believe Harper, think he was fibbing, or realize he might be deluded enough to truly imagine he actually could "…never run deficits"?

As I said in answer to you, which you apparently quoted without reading, I have no special regard for any pol or party nor any special opinion about their individual truthiness. But only Harper has a seasoned claque that still won't recognize that monstrous Never a Deficit whopper when they hear it, nor any of the others he trades on. Perhaps that's part of being a thought-free voter.

Speaking of thought-free: Still waiting for the merest thoughtful tidbit to demonstrate you aren't one of them. You might begin by 'splaining why a Mulcair-balanced budget will be bad, but a Harper one is good. While at the same time almost a decade of Harper deficits are good, but a Trudeau-deficit or three (because of this latest recession that Harper failed to see coming) is bad. Picking your pols by labelas and wearing your loyalty like a playoffs T-shirt is kidstuff

Thoughts please. Your schoolyard stuff is as infantile as Harper's promise, and those who believed it.
 

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Oldjones, do you orgasm in your panties each night dreaming about the young girls that Justin and Mulcair want ISIS to keep raping. the young boys that ISIS is torturing and killing and the women that ISIS is trafficking into lives of sex slaves. You can't support a policy of leaving ISIS alone to continue their barbaric atrocities and genocide without supporting the acts themselves. If you support either of the two socialist leaders who want to pull Canada out of the fight against these atrocities then you support these atrocities. And don't give me the old socialist adage that Canada has always been a peace keeping nation before that warmonger Harper came along. Canada has been a peace making nation. Look at Canadian history during WWI, WWII, the Korean War, Bosnia, the 1St Iraqi war. The problem today is that both the Liberals and the NDP are led by cowards that wouldn't risk their lives to fight for Canada's freedoms and democracy. These two losers are pissing on the graves of our heroic veterans and you and your socialist buddies are standing right beside them pissing on those same graves.
 

jcpro

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Mulcair also promised to simultaneously reduce the retirement age to 60 while raising the minimum wage. Mulcair must like the Greek tragedy and clearly is seeking votes from those with nothing to lose.
They are clueless. The other day I heard Olivia Chow on the radio bitching about high youth unemployment. A couple of talking points later she was talking about increasing the minimum wage. Beside the point that the youth should be getting a trade instead of working for minimum wage, the very reason the youth unemployment is high is the increasing minimum wage.
 

JohnLarue

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They are clueless. The other day I heard Olivia Chow on the radio bitching about high youth unemployment. A couple of talking points later she was talking about increasing the minimum wage. Beside the point that the youth should be getting a trade instead of working for minimum wage, the very reason the youth unemployment is high is the increasing minimum wage.
Employers will gladly fork over a higher wage for youth with skills
But to force them to pay a minimum for no skills just increases risks for the business & will put some over the edge, employing nobody
Either way it is one more in a long line of uncompetive policies hoisted upon Canadian Business by the loonie's

Far better to force youth to get skills via crappy no skill pay than to force business to overpay for those without skills
 

elmo

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Evidently you have no thoughts to contribute. You haven't read my reply, nor have you answered my question. Did you believe Harper, think he was fibbing, or realize he might be deluded enough to truly imagine he actually could "…never run deficits"?

As I said in answer to you, which you apparently quoted without reading, I have no special regard for any pol or party nor any special opinion about their individual truthiness. But only Harper has a seasoned claque that still won't recognize that monstrous Never a Deficit whopper when they hear it, nor any of the others he trades on. Perhaps that's part of being a thought-free voter.

Speaking of thought-free: Still waiting for the merest thoughtful tidbit to demonstrate you aren't one of them. You might begin by 'splaining why a Mulcair-balanced budget will be bad, but a Harper one is good. While at the same time almost a decade of Harper deficits are good, but a Trudeau-deficit or three (because of this latest recession that Harper failed to see coming) is bad. Picking your pols by labelas and wearing your loyalty like a playoffs T-shirt is kidstuff

Thoughts please. Your schoolyard stuff is as infantile as Harper's promise, and those who believed it.
Honestly, you come on here and spew your bullshit without answering a simple question. How time consuming that must be. Decorum would require you to answer my question first because I asked it first. It's a simple question - do you believe Mulcair can hold to his economic plan? Yes or no is all I'm asking. If you makes you feel better, i don't trust any of them but I think Harper is the lesser of the evils (which is saying something about how bad i think the other two would be). I don't trust his cloak of secrecy, I don't like his new bill allowing the government too many policing powers without accountability, I don't like the Senate scandals, I don't like our current economic state and frankly, I think it's time for him to go. That said, I still think he is the best option for our country. Wish we had better candidates to choose from, or wish the PC's booted him out and let someone else take the leadership. Your turn to man up...yes or no?
 

oldjones

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Honestly, you come on here and spew your bullshit without answering a simple question. How time consuming that must be. Decorum would require you to answer my question first because I asked it first. It's a simple question - do you believe Mulcair can hold to his economic plan? Yes or no is all I'm asking. If you makes you feel better, i don't trust any of them but I think Harper is the lesser of the evils (which is saying something about how bad i think the other two would be). I don't trust his cloak of secrecy, I don't like his new bill allowing the government too many policing powers without accountability, I don't like the Senate scandals, I don't like our current economic state and frankly, I think it's time for him to go. That said, I still think he is the best option for our country. Wish we had better candidates to choose from, or wish the PC's booted him out and let someone else take the leadership. Your turn to man up...yes or no?
Will wonders never cease. Thanks for at last offering a considered response.

As I said to you before, I have no particular Mulcair or NDP opinion, and I fully expect all pols to lie whether in error from shading and tailoring their message a bit too much, or from reluctance to face us with the truth — like we aren't paying the taxes we need to provide the services we refuse to do without. Harper's just the indisputable worst and most blatant of the bunch as he has been since he first swindled poor Peter Mackay out of the last rump of what was once truthfully conservative party.

Since you seem to want something even more specific: If we can believe the budget's now balanced and the fiscal train isn't in danger of coming off such smooth bureaucratic tracks as a departing Harper has left, I'm totally confident that any incoming government could maintain the balance for at least a couple of budgets longer, especially a government that set up balancing the books as the principle standard by which it will be judged. Which is not to say they'll never run a deficit; I leave that stupid sort of lie to your boy.

The real question is still how anyone but a braindead zealot can do the mental gymnastics to believe in and support that guy (who ran eight years of deficits and now proudly declares a rounding-error balance to be a significant surplus) when now goes up and down the country damning his opponents for promising exactly what he himself did. Not to mention yet again, what he lied about ever doing to get elected.

That's without considering that his economic action plan has dumped us into our own home-grown recession because he beggared what manufacturing-export capacity we had in order to suck up to and subsidize the oil-patch's colonial-style selloff of our resources. And it's ignoring his dismantling of basic public services he had promised, and even cut cheques for (though he made sure they were returned or refunded if cashed). And excusing his reactionary, almost fascist attitude to human rights, minorities and anyone he perceives as weaker and in need of help from the rest of us. He'll talk generosity, just as he talked Arctic defence and sovereignty, but the money never flows, the action never happens and in fact he dips into the assigned funds and spends them to fund his tax-giveaways to the well-to-do he counts on to vote for his his reactionary party. And the First Nations still have to boil their drinking water, while he argues about their bookkeeping.

Your turn: "My government will never run deficits". Did you believe that nonsense? Did you think he was lying or just stupid? If you care to go past your typical single sentence answers, you could let us in on your opinion of those who didn't see the impossibility of living up to that undertaking, or who went along with the falsehood anyway, and how their thinking change or didn't as circumstance revealed how hollow it was and how cynically it was made. You might even care to show us how the nice stuff you said above can hold up against such an obvious example of the worst sort of political huckstering.
 

K Douglas

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I'm not sure that raising taxes on employers and the middle class is the way to draw investment and jumpstart the economy...... Canada's real issue is productivity, not social spending:

Canadian growth is lethargic, and it is a structural problem as much as a cyclical one. A key culprit: poor productivity growth compared with other economies with which we compete. The result: Canadian business productivity levels are now about 70 per cent of U.S. levels, and getting worse.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...conomics-experts-onequestion/article26384723/
This has been an issue that I have been harping about for a few years now. Sadly not one gov't has the courage to tackle this very serious problem.
 
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