Needing to import workers...

Don

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http://www.cbc.ca/canada/montreal/story/2009/04/27/montreal-migrantworkers-swine-0427.html

While the article is about swine flu, I thought this quote was interesting:

"Migrant farm workers from Mexico provide key labour to Canada's farming industry — especially in Quebec and Manitoba."

Now given the fact that we are having seeing some of the highest levels of unemployment in a long time, I think it is sad and telling that we need to import workers. Why don't the unemployed Canadians fill these jobs? Too good for them?
 

Mcluhan

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Don said:
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/montreal/story/2009/04/27/montreal-migrantworkers-swine-0427.html

Why don't the unemployed Canadians fill these jobs? Too good for them?
For the last several years, yes (wages too low and subsidized at that). Next year could be a different story however. I'll bet a lot of Canadians would pick potatoes for minimum wage, but the problem is, could the farmers get any good help from the labour pool here? Somehow I doubt it. The mexicans and Jamaicans work like farm labourers used to work here 40 years ago; they work very hard. Today we can't even get the young guys to learn wood framing, a skilled trade, let alone work industriously with a shovel as farm labour. Just my 2 cents. (i live in an agricultural based community)
 

Don

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fuji said:
Would you fill these jobs, if you were unemployed?
Yep. I have in the past for sure when I was out of work and not finished with my education. I did all sorts of jobs, most was manual labor stuff. Some at minimum wage, some at just a few bucks higher. Worked evenings and night shifts too. The night shift was probably the toughest... I never saw any of my friends except on the weekends.
 

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Don said:
and not finished with my education
Yup, I did all kinds of jobs when I was a student too. If you were unemployed now, with your education, and your experience, would you take one of those jobs?

I doubt I would.
 

antaeus

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migrant agricultural work is not covered by minimum wage laws.

They tend to live in communes, often set up by the farms or labour importing agent. These are quite contentious, as in some provinces they aren't allowed to live elsewhere, and the workers are prey for abuse: only buy supplies from the commune store, etc.

I assume, unless you're in it for an entire season and willing to become an ascetic, a Canadian local would find it very difficult to come away net cash positive from migrant agricultural work, or otherwise much improved for effort expended in other areas closer to home.

Don't many Ontario teens try strawberry picking? How many return for a second season and actually earn income.
 

ig-88

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would you make more doing nothing and getting EI, or working these jobs?
 

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Most of these jobs are piecework - what you get paid depends on how hard you work. I remember picking beans for summer work while in high school. Most of us students were lucky to make minimum wage - but the migrant workers were GOOD - they easily doubled minimum wage and most had the whole family out in the field 7 days a week...

(and if you've never spent a day picking cucumbers you have no idea what hard work is)
 

danmand

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The farm workers are brought in for a period from april to october, they live in housing
(sometimes good, sometimes atrocious) supplied by the farmer, and
they are paid less than minimum wage, and work long hours, typically only getting
one day off a week.

That being said, some of the migrant workers come back to the same farmer yeay after year and
get a reasonable treatment.

When I travelled in the interior of Mexico, and people found out I had some
land, I was almost harassed by people wanting a job. There are no jobs in the
interior of Mexico.
 

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And then there's this:

The number of new H-1Bs issued each year in the United States is subject to an annual congressionally-mandated quota. Each H-1B quota applies to a particular Financial Year which begins on October 1. Applications for the upcoming Financial Year are accepted beginning on the preceding April 1 (or the first working day after that date). Those beneficiaries not subject to the annual quota are those who currently hold H-1B status or have held H-1B status at some point in the past six years and have not been outside the United States for more than 365 consecutive days. This annual quota has had a significant impact on the high tech industry. It has generally been set at 65,000 visas per year, with some exceptions for workers at exempt organizations like universities and colleges (note: contrary to popular belief, non-profit organizations are not automatically exempt, but may be so if affiliated with a university or college). In 2000, Congress permanently exempted H-1B visas going to Universities and Government Research Laboratories from the quota.

During the early years of this quota in the early 1990s, this quota was rarely actually reached. By the mid-1990s, however, the quota tended to be filled each year on a first come, first served basis, resulting in new H-1Bs often being denied or delayed because the annual quota was already filled. In 1998 the quota was increased first to 115,000 and then, in 2000, to 195,000 visas per year. During the years the quota was 195,000, it was never reached.

In FY 2004, the quota reverted to 90,000 when the temporary increase passed by Congress in 1999 expired. Since then, the quota is again filling up rapidly every year, making H-1Bs again increasingly hard to get. More recently, the basic quota was left at 65,000 but with an additional 20,000 visas possible for foreign workers with U.S. advanced degrees. Of the 65,000 total, 6,800 are initially reserved for citizens of Chile and Singapore under free trade agreements with those countries; however, if these reserved visas are not used under the agreements, they go back to the general pool. Outside of the 65,000 quota, another 10,500 visas annually are available to Australian citizens under a similar but more flexible program, the E-3 visa program.

For FY 2007, beginning on October 1, 2006, the entire quota of visas for the year was exhausted within a span of less than 2 months on May 26, 2006[9], well before the beginning of the financial year concerned. The additional 20,000 Advanced Degree H-1B visas were exhausted on July 26. For FY 2008, the entire quota was exhausted before the end of the first day on which applications were accepted, April 2[10]. Under USCIS rules, the 123,480 petitions received on April 2 and April 3 that were subject to the cap were pooled, and then 65,000 of these were selected at random for further processing[11]. The additional 20,000 Advanced Degree H-1B visas for FY 2008 was exhausted on April 30.

In its annual report on H-1B visas released in November 2006, USCIS stated that it approved 131,000 H-1B visas in FY 2004 and 117,000 in FY 2005. The inflation in numbers is because H-1B visas can be exempt from the caps if the employer is a University or Research Lab.

For FY 2009, USCIS announced on April 8, 2008 that the entire quota for visas for the year has been reached, for both 20,000 Advanced and the 65,000 quota. USCIS would complete initial data entry for all filing received during April 1 to April 7, 2008 before running the lottery [12].

Effective November 28th, 2009, Guam and the Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands will not be subjective to numerical limits on H1-B visa applications.
 

Don

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fuji said:
Yup, I did all kinds of jobs when I was a student too. If you were unemployed now, with your education, and your experience, would you take one of those jobs?

I doubt I would.
Well I'd try to look for something I felt was suitable for my qualifications... like anyone would. But after awhile I'd get the clue and realize I'm not in such high demand as I thought and start getting desperate. People in the US are starting to get it:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090501/ap_on_re_us/us_summer_resort_hiring

I know a few investment bankers that were trying to hang on to their finance careers. They are finally getting the hint.
 

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these jobs have been going to migrant workers for yoears, it is next to impoble to get Canadians to do the work any more apparantly we deserve better
 
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