btw tboy,tboy said:Well the project management fees are (in the developments I worked at) are eaten up by, ahem, project management. Each had a staff of about 10 or so overseeing the project. Just guessing that each made about $50K so that's half a mil right off the top. And as we all know, that employee costs run about 30 - 40 percent of the wage so that's another $200K. So we're talking a cool 3/4 mil.
For the record, at one development (condos) I was out with the principal for lunch. We were going over all the headaches etc and (backstory, I've known him for about 8 yrs, been to his house, know his kids etc) I asked him: seriously, how much are you going to make on this project when it's all said and done because these deficiencies are killing us. He said "honestly? about a million...." and I said "whoa, that's not much considering how much it's costing you to put up" he said "well, a million's a million no matter how you slice it...".
Think of it another way: costs 20 mill to put up a building, he makes 1 mil on it, that's what....5 %??? not very much!!!! I worked for companies that freaked if they didn't hit 50% profit......
when u look at return dont look at retun on assets. look at return on equity. of that 20MM he may only have to chip in 4MM. Rest is financed by construction loan. therefore his return is 1MM/4MM or 25% not including his mgmt fees.