No Fly Zone
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There have been many human rights abuses in Tibet but I'm not aware of any mass murders there, at least not in recent years, and the Chinese did abolish the practice of slavery that had been in effect before they assumed control. As for Nepal I'm less familiar, care to describe the mass murders you believe took place in Nepal?
I'm also insisting this be a UN operation with a mandate from the UN SC and broad global consensus on the operation, with buy-in from the Arab League.
I don't think that would be possible in the case of Tibet. China does have a veto.. just saying.
If we don't stop dithering and get off the pot soon it will be too late. The BBC is reporting horrible atrocities by the Gadhafi forces.
As I said earlier it may already be too late. There doesn't appear to be any real possibility for international action anytime soon, and forget about the SC. Russia would veto it or simply abstain. It amounts to the same thing.
I expect the Libyan forces that still answer to teh Gadhaffi family will have this revolt put down before anything gets organized, realistically if he can get a couple platoons of his T72s running it should end there
There's a big difference between 'veto' and 'abstain'. I don't think Russia has any interests in Libya. China might be more likely to veto it, but I haven't heard either Russia or China coming to the defense of Gadhafi. I don't think the guy has any friends anywhere.
The reason why he's willing to fight to the death is I don't think there's a single country that would accept him if he wanted to leave. None of the Arab league will take him--the last thing they want to do is rile up their own people by appearing to be Gadhafi's friend. Zimbabwe's his best hope, and that's not a very bright hope.
On first read, I thought you were mocking his pidgin english. That would be quite fowl, and its something I think none of us here could swallow.
But then I realized you did it on a lark.
You didn't just parrot off the usual TERB range of insults. And that is very commendable!!
So, Dutch, you should be puffin out your chest, as you have done something to crow about.
You are an inspiration to owl of us!!
P.S. I have a friend who's hot for blue-eyed blondes, so if you know any hot Danish babes, please send them my way so I can introduce them to Mike Hawk.
The Euros have done most of the arming of the crazy Col. and they've done much of the business there, I say let them clean this up. We should stay home and send humanitarian aid.
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The Jordanians I came to know when I was there were very friendly and open minded about the west. They were much more concerned about Iraqui and Palestinian refugees than "the west." The were pleasant, practical people.
I have relatives who lived for long periods of time who would tell you the same thing about the majority of the Saudi population.
And you are being dishonest in your approach. You asked how many "regimes" did not hate the west, not populations. In that case we can add Saudi to the list with certainty.
Wow, you are flying high today.
Well, if he is willing to listen to lutheran dogma, the danish church on finch and younge is where the au pair girls go sundays.
Well the UN say no No Fly zone. Can anyone say Rwanda? OMG, Tweedledum & Tweedledee would be proud.
In a quest to get some booby, I took Danmand's advice and took Mike Hawk to find some Danish hotties. We followed his directions, and right on the corner theres a magificent, ornate building with a sign on it that says "The Danish Church". This place rivals St. Pauls Cathedral, or anything else designed by Wren. Truly impressive.
So, we enter the place. I crane my head around to take in the scene, and realize the "The Danish Church" is actually a gay bar!! (I'm pretty swift that way).
The place is an absolute cock-fest, I mean, theres a 8 ft tall carved wood pecker sculpture in the lobby.
Anyways, Mike Hawk is strictly for the chicks, so before things get even more aukward, we duck out the side door and tern back onto finch towards the subway.
It seems Danmand has pulled quite the prank......how gullible could I be? That turkey sent us on a wild goosechase, robin us of our dignity in the process!! YOU BUSTARD!!!
Remembering the cardinal rule of not getting mad, but getting even, I want to give Dutch fair warning - toucan play that game, my friend!!!
Every time we help those folks, it comes back to bite us in the ass. Let them solve their differences among themselves and what happens happens. If we got involved, we could annihilate Gaddafi militarily in 3 days but then its the aftermath that lasts for decades (like Afghanistan and Iraq). Plus, the shit will hit the fan if we accidentally bomb the wrong house and kill someone's kid.
On the flipside, can anyone say Srebren....Shreben.....Chevronitza?? Because I sure can't!! C'mon, ya'll know, that place that was under UN protection but saw a massacre anyways.
The imposition of airpower won't protect people on the ground from other people on the ground......you need more people on the ground to keep the first two groups of people from grinding each other into the ground. But those people can't just be observers, or rely on the reputation of the body that sent them, or even on the magical tranquilizing power of their blue helmets. Nobody is willing to do that, though.
As for arming the rebels....Landscaper already brought up many many excellent reasons against that. If arming them is to be a remedy to prevent a potential massacre, would anyone be willing to assume 100% responsibility that the well-armed rebels won't commit their own massacre of the gov't forces? Thus far, these aren't unarmed civilians we're taking about - its two armed opposing groups....not evenly armed, or trained, or manned, but thats why is sometimes called acentrifical* warfare (or sumtin' like that, isn't it?)
If the rebels are fearin' for their lives and want outside intervention to save them, they might want to consider surrender......not to Qaddafi's dudes, but to the UN or NATO or EU or any one of the bodies there are looking to for help in killing the other guys. The rebels surrender to NATO, par example, and become our prisoners and responsibility - Khaddafi cannot continue his attacks wihout drawing us into match....of course the rebels should also be bound to face justice for anything illegal they may have done.......what do you think the chances of that are?
This was pretty much destined to end in a bloodbath one way or the other from the get-go. Sad situation, but unless theres any volunteers to try to avert the inevitable, there's not much that can be done about it. Hopefully, the next batch of rebels will have planned things out better than this batch did.
*I know what the correct term actually is.
