JoyfulC
sorry i cut your grass hunny next time i'll do a free tour and see how you like them apples
sorry i cut your grass hunny next time i'll do a free tour and see how you like them apples
NO Shows becoming a habit in Ottawa
- Thread starter The Baroness
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For sure, you did not "cut my grass" -- trust me, I have no problem with you coming over and cutting my lawn for me. (Cutting my lawn isn't one of my favourite tasks.)
But when I hear you talking about no-shows and other problems, I know what that's about. I've probably been in the business longer than you've been alive. I'm just trying to suggest ways that you can travel to your benefit without having the problems that you're experiencing -- so don't get defensive.
I think it would be terrific if you'd do a free tour. I'll refer my clients, for sure, and also those I'd never accept as clients -- I've always found it worthwhile to send people out to other escorts. It reminds them of why they choose to see me reguarly.
In fact, maybe you should do a free tour here every month. If you guarantee you'll provide free service to customers for 12 months in a row, then I'll pay for your ads in the Ottawa Sun -- deal? I'm not sure how that would serve you, though.
..c..
But when I hear you talking about no-shows and other problems, I know what that's about. I've probably been in the business longer than you've been alive. I'm just trying to suggest ways that you can travel to your benefit without having the problems that you're experiencing -- so don't get defensive.
I think it would be terrific if you'd do a free tour. I'll refer my clients, for sure, and also those I'd never accept as clients -- I've always found it worthwhile to send people out to other escorts. It reminds them of why they choose to see me reguarly.
In fact, maybe you should do a free tour here every month. If you guarantee you'll provide free service to customers for 12 months in a row, then I'll pay for your ads in the Ottawa Sun -- deal? I'm not sure how that would serve you, though.
..c..
So what's the deal? You gonna honour your offer to provide free service to clients here in Ottawa if I pay the advertising?
..c..
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i don't need your advertising i have my own clients thanks anyway
(BTW i have now placed your bad self on ignore just incase you wonder why i'm no longer answering your posts)
(BTW i have now placed your bad self on ignore just incase you wonder why i'm no longer answering your posts)
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OnTheWayOut
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why's you have to go and do that luv? I was just getting into this cat fight
BTW, I have never seen luv but spent a pleasant evening on erchat with her a while back. We did discuss the possibility of getting together but based on that chat came to the mutual agreement that we weren't a good match. She seemed to have the idea of the business down pretty good and a good head on her shoulders IMHO. Just my 2 cents ......
why's you have to go and do that luv? I was just getting into this cat fight
BTW, I have never seen luv but spent a pleasant evening on erchat with her a while back. We did discuss the possibility of getting together but based on that chat came to the mutual agreement that we weren't a good match. She seemed to have the idea of the business down pretty good and a good head on her shoulders IMHO. Just my 2 cents ......
You go Lyla, I agree with you 100%
I like to visit with the upscale escorts like yourself, Carrie Moon, Nicole and Monique when I spend my hard earned dollars.
The so-called ""Talent"" that comes here from out of town with their low prices are obviously only here because the can't cut it in their cities.
Why else would someone pay for food/travel/hotel etc.. and charge less then those who habitate here.
I for one couldn't care less if none of them come back to Ottawa.
We need to consentrate on whats here and try to make things better!
I like to visit with the upscale escorts like yourself, Carrie Moon, Nicole and Monique when I spend my hard earned dollars.
The so-called ""Talent"" that comes here from out of town with their low prices are obviously only here because the can't cut it in their cities.
Why else would someone pay for food/travel/hotel etc.. and charge less then those who habitate here.
I for one couldn't care less if none of them come back to Ottawa.
We need to consentrate on whats here and try to make things better!
I don't see why you would get kicked off of TERB for stating your opinion.JoyfulC said:
Interesting thread...
I'm visiting Ottawa on the 12th for a few days. This will be my second visit. I plan to continue visiting about once each year, as long as I am still in the business. I think it's great that escorts have the opportunity to travel, meet new clients, see a new city, etc. My main reason for visiting in the first place was to meet all the Ottawa clients who had emailed and pm'd me over the months, requesting that I visit. I also travel to various U.S cities aswell. I don't see anything wrong with an escort touring different cities.
I am far from desperate to see clients and to make money, but it's a really nice change of "scenery". I also have a few girlfriends who have traveled to Ottawa on occasion and have done really well. Regarding no-shows, I don’t see how it is an escorts fault if someone just doesn’t show or at least call to cancel. We can confirm and be as kind as ever to each client, in hopes that they will honor their time with us, but there is no guarantee that they will follow through. There is a huge client base in Ottawa and not many high quality escorts. I think that touring is as good for the clients as it is for the ladies who tour. It also cannot hurt the local “talent�, as we usually don’t stay for more than a week...
Some escorts survive off the "Sun" and others via word of mouth and better. There's an escort to suit every persons budget, so to speak...
Vanessa
It wouldn't be the first time. Plain talk isn't always welcome here.Miss Valentine said:I don't see why you would get kicked off of TERB for stating your opinion.
Nor do I. I visit other cities, as well. There are pluses and minuses to touring. One plus is that you are able to provide local service to your existing clients from that area. Myself, I have a number of clients in the Toronto area, for example, who for one reason or another (retirement, change of contract, change of government, etc.) find it more difficult to get into Ottawa these days.
But one of the minuses is that if you build a client base in another city, then you have to service it. And that's not always easy to do when you have a healthy and demanding market base at home.
I'd have to disagree with that. I know that most escorts don't verify their clients, but I believe that in 99.9999% of cases where an escort is abused (shorted, no-showed, or even worse, robbed, assaulted or worse) the client is unverified. For myself, even though I might lose some business as a result of it, it's just not worth the risk. Verified clients are very unlikely to screw up and cause us problems.
Again, I'd disagree with that -- and I find it somewhat offensive. I know quite a few of the local escorts here, and if Toronto escorts think they're somehow better, then maybe they need to get a reality check.
While there may be some guys who, for whatever reason, aren't satisfied with the escorts here, believe it or not, there are guys here who find it difficult to select among what's available locally. I know that I have a solid base of regulars -- and I'm really sort of a marginal escort, being older than most (... although my experience more than makes up for it).
I think probably the biggest reason I lose business is because I insist on verifying -- but that's probably also the biggest reason that I have exceptionally few problems.
Yes, it is good for those clients who prefer to see someone from another market. As I say, I have clients from Toronto who used to be able to come to Ottawa regularly and who now, for whatever reason, find it more difficult to get here. So yes, for them, it's much, much better to have me come there.
I only think that it "hurts local talent" when escorts arrive in town with the attitude that they're desperate and will do whatever -- lower their prices, see clients unverified, see clients who have no-showed or shorted them in the past, whatever.
I know this is difficult for some to hear, but I believe that service providers have a responsibility to set standards. If escorts are willing to put up with no-shows, cheap clients, etc., then that sets the tone for the business and places those of us who refuse to tolerate such on the spot.
Of course, it works both ways. When customers put up with escorts baiting & switching, shorting them on time, etc., then it makes it more difficult for all customers.
Yes, I agree ... but it's not always about budget. Some of the escorts who advertise in the Sun are high end. I try to advertise myself there for one week out of every 4-6 weeks, just for those clients who aren't online. And word of mouth isn't a bad thing at all -- I think the best escorts get a lot of that (even if it's best done privately, rather through a public review). Of course, the very best is through repeat business. The most valuable client in the world is the one you have worked for before and who chooses to return again and again. To me, that's the client who should receive the very best treatment.
Still, it serves to be said that when some escorts travel to other markets, it's perhaps because they're not making it in their own market. Why is that?
..c..
No offense intended with my comments. I didn't say that Ottawa has NO high end escorts, I said that there were few. This opinion comes from conversations with clients and other escorts who live and play in Ottawa.JoyfulC said:
Also, I don't think that any escort could/ should consider themselves better than an escort from another city. That wouldn't make any sense, now would it? If someone did, you're right- a reality check would be in order.
Fair enough and I agree...JoyfulC said:
JoyfulC said:
I'm sure that there are many factors. It seems like there are more and more new ladies in the industry, many of them offering extra, liberal services for less money which causes other escorts to lose a bit of business. Some escorts simply have horrible "customer service" and have a hard time keeping clients.
What do you think?
V.
I don't think most visiting escorts charge less than the escorts in Ottawa do. Locals charge about $80-$150 per half hour while visitors are always higher than $150/half hour. SO visitors are not undercutting local "talent"
Agree wholeheartedly. Inbound escorts from Montreal are $250/hr. When Astrid and Miranda used to come here from Toronto, they were both $250/hr. And this bit about these types of escorts (visiting) not being able to cut it in their home town,..... horse@#$%.
I did quite well in Toronto and in Ottawa and charged a little more in Ottawa due to my expenses
Like most guys I prefer variety in my sp's.
Since Ottawa is a small market city I think it's nice to have some variety. If they are better or not is very subjective. Everybody has their own taste, that's way there is uch a variety of sp's.
It would be sad if we all had the same taste.
The arrangement for a visit should be based on the honour system. I understand the need for an SP to verify her clients. On the other hand I start to get a little uncomfortable if an SP wants to much personal info. I have the need for some anonymity as well, especially at the first visit. I probably have as much anxiety as she might have.
Since Ottawa is a small market city I think it's nice to have some variety. If they are better or not is very subjective. Everybody has their own taste, that's way there is uch a variety of sp's.
It would be sad if we all had the same taste.
The arrangement for a visit should be based on the honour system. I understand the need for an SP to verify her clients. On the other hand I start to get a little uncomfortable if an SP wants to much personal info. I have the need for some anonymity as well, especially at the first visit. I probably have as much anxiety as she might have.
Expenses in Ottawa are MORE then Toronto? Why... no HOW even?The Baroness said:I did quite well in Toronto and in Ottawa and charged a little more in Ottawa due to my expenses
I've stayed in both cities, at both high-end and low-end hotels... Now there's not too much difference in price, but the difference is there and TO hands down is more expensive.
Hell, the size of the city alone makes it more expensive for transportation.... Meals are even more expensive there....
In your defence, you can charge whatever you wish. Just remember, that you are a service provider, and you’re giving the same excuse any bad business gives when they're not meeting customers’ wants\needs. It's getting expensive and you want\need more money and the service ends up staying the same or getting worse, rather then actually improving and getting rich off the real improvements.
I especially hate the girls who are in it; 'just to make a bit of money' then get out. If money is your real focus then provide good service and if you aren't willing to improve your service beyond just making money then you will only fail.
Every successful business had there problems in the beginning, unless they were a shoot-off of a previously successful idea, even then it's not the case. And if there's one thing about the oldest profession, it's not the people receiving the service that should be scrutinized; it's the people providing it.
Cause face it, satisfying a human beings needs is one thing, how much you charge them for it is another... It's like taxes and everyone hates taxes... when do we hate them even more? When they go up! Raising prices justifies no-shows, not the other way around. SP’s especially should know this… imagine what you’d have to charge if you had to declare all your income and pay taxes on it, well, you probably wouldn’t declare it all would you?
Either way you look at it, going with a cheap SP and getting good service is a lot better for everyone then going with an expensive SP and getting terrible service. Think about it, by the time the cheap SP is done giving good non-rushed service to people, and having all the repeat customers means cash flow. Getting an expensive SP that provides terrible non-rushed service and having no repeat customers, means brick wall and you’re setting yourself up for a fall, not to mention the constant onslaught of newbie’s and no shows as a result of not having good service.
In Toronto, I didnt have to stay in a hotel...I didnt have to pay train fare there and I didnt have to eat out 3 times a day.
Perhaps my post wasnt clear.....I am from Toronto and visited Ottawa....
Miranda
Perhaps my post wasnt clear.....I am from Toronto and visited Ottawa....
Miranda
But, you have to pay the ridiculous rent and if not at least property taxes.The Baroness said:
You still have to get around town, or are do you stay at home all day?
And you still have to eat...
Besides, if you were running your business well, you should have no problems getting clients to pick up a meal for you, regardless of how much you think we're all low-lifes, most of us if asked nicely wouldn't have a problem providing food, a basic human need, and we wouldn't charge anything for it, unlike SPs who feel they're superior to humankind by charging the price of 10 decent meals, a basic human need, for one(1) encounter.
If you want clients to 'be good' and honourable, then you as an SP must be as well, it doesn't mean stand there and take shit, or hand out freebies, it just means be compassionate towards clients needs if you want them to be compassionate toward yours.
What is your problem? Who called you a low-life?
And whether I was a SP or not I would still have to pay rent so it is not an added expense.
And as anyone who ever saw me can tell, I was quite compassionate, not to mention affectionate, not to mention sexy...so Slow The F*** Down Buddy.
If you dont like the whole SP industry which it truely sounds like you dont...dont see SP's and dont come onto escort review boards and whine about how you would buy me a burger but i wont F*** you for free.
And BTW, now if I want my clients to "be good" as you say, I'll just whip their asses into submission....something you perhaps could benefit from. Or would my strap-on interest you more?
And whether I was a SP or not I would still have to pay rent so it is not an added expense.
And as anyone who ever saw me can tell, I was quite compassionate, not to mention affectionate, not to mention sexy...so Slow The F*** Down Buddy.
If you dont like the whole SP industry which it truely sounds like you dont...dont see SP's and dont come onto escort review boards and whine about how you would buy me a burger but i wont F*** you for free.
And BTW, now if I want my clients to "be good" as you say, I'll just whip their asses into submission....something you perhaps could benefit from. Or would my strap-on interest you more?
