NYPD chokehold case

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yung_dood said:
Cops don't have a right to arrest you for no reason.
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What % of people Cops stop on suspicion do you suppose claim they are being stopped for "no reason"? I'm not sure that's the time to play Jr. Lawyer....
 
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onthebottom said:
In fact he flailed his arms and yelled "don't touch me"... tragic
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flail

1. wave or swing or cause to wave or swing wildly.
"his arms were flailing helplessly"

synonyms: wave, swing, thrash about, flap about
"he fell headlong, his arms flailing"

I'm sure you were very deliberate in choosing that word.
In fact he had his arms up....tragic that you would see it otherwise and worthy of death.
 
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I saw the above footage. I think it is VERY interesting that there is quite a bit missing from the guys being all upset and the arrest.

I do find it odd that the bacon didn't seem to try to calm the guy down. The clip doesn't seem to show any sort of verbal "you are under arrest" thing, just the pork getting all grabby. Is that what really happened or some there something important missing in the clip.

Also the chokehold only lasted for a few moments. Once he was on the ground the hold seemed to be released and he kept saying he couldn't breathe [or was that also an edit. Was his trachea crushed or something? Also if he couldn't breathe how was he speaking. Impaired breathing sure but that usually doesn't kill a bro. Also considering the size and the heightened state of the guy I can see the pigs pulling out all the stops.

But yeah he brought it on himself and it didn't work out for him. Darwin for the win.





That is wrong. If a black person ever says don't touch me they should be allowed to walk. They should be allowed to do anything they want as long as they utter those magic words. They should only be arrested if they want to be. You know much like the Master Race here in Canada in places like in the 6 nations reserve. Those cracker whitey settlers should know their fucking place, pay their taxes and shut the fuck up. And thus endith the fat guy sarcasm.
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Your mom must also be your sister.
 
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wait for it said:
I saw the above footage. I think it is VERY interesting that there is quite a bit missing from the guys being all upset and the arrest.

I do find it odd that the bacon didn't seem to try to calm the guy down. The clip doesn't seem to show any sort of verbal "you are under arrest" thing, just the pork getting all grabby. Is that what really happened or some there something important missing in the clip.

Also the chokehold only lasted for a few moments. Once he was on the ground the hold seemed to be released and he kept saying he couldn't breathe [or was that also an edit. Was his trachea crushed or something? Also if he couldn't breathe how was he speaking. Impaired breathing sure but that usually doesn't kill a bro. Also considering the size and the heightened state of the guy I can see the pigs pulling out all the stops.

But yeah he brought it on himself and it didn't work out for him. Darwin for the win.





That is wrong. If a black person ever says don't touch me they should be allowed to walk. They should be allowed to do anything they want as long as they utter those magic words. They should only be arrested if they want to be. You know much like the Master Race here in Canada in places like in the 6 nations reserve. Those cracker whitey settlers should know their fucking place, pay their taxes and shut the fuck up. And thus endith the fat guy sarcasm.
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The video seems to be edited and i would like to see from the first confrontation to the arrest.

Looking at the video the "choke hold" seems to be a "sleeper hold" or "blood strangle". If you look at the video while they are on the ground the cop's elbow is quite far forward so that when he squeezed he put pressure on the sides of the neck rather than the front. This compresses the veins and arteries that handle blood to the brain, which generally subdues the victim in seconds where a strangle would take minutes. This is taught in the military and most martial arts so the cop may just be poorly trained.

The sleeper, used properly, is quite effective at subduing an opponent with a lower chance of causing injury. The problem is that some people will have a reaction where the veins and arteries fail to reopen after pressure is removed which can be quickly fatal, Blacks are particularly susceptible to this. This is why it is banned in some jurisdiction.
 
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This is an example of an individual not obeying the law, getting arrested and resisting, police using force resulting in his death.
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I've seen the video and didn't see where he resisted arrest other than perhaps arguing with the cop in a peaceful manner. Perhaps it was his pleading 11 times that he couldn't breath that constituted the resisting arrest allegation. Could a District Attorney successfully argue that a white cop has the right to shoot and kill a black jay walker because the jay walker didn't obey a "lawful" police order to stop where he was in the middle of the road? We certainly seem to be heading there.

It won't be long before the black community will be able to start killing white cops and use the excuse "I was fearful for my life - I feared he would just shoot me".
 
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The Ferguson case was full of incompetence by terrorist thug Michael Brown.
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In the Brown case, Wilson's declaration that he was going to shoot Brown followed by the act of pulling his gun meant that it became Brown who was in fear for his life and therefore entitled to defend himself as determined by the jury in the George Zimmerman trial. At that Wilson's life was no longer in danger after Brown ran away.
 
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Here's what a lot of people are missing, both for the Michael Brown and for this case:

There is no double jeopardy for grand jury trials.

All of the people yelling and screaming for a full trial in either of these cases? You're arguing for the cops in these cases. You don't think you are, but you are. Because if the case is so weak that it's fucking possible for the prosecutor to "throw the case" and not get an indictment out of a grand jury, the defense would have to have a monumentally stupid lawyer to not win an actual trial. And once that happens, Game Over. No more re-trials. No more prosecution. Nada. Zip. Nothing.

For fuck's sake, did you not learn anything from the Zimmerman case of last summer? DON'T TRY A CASE UNLESS THE GRAND JURY GIVES YOU AN INDICTMENT. A grand jury is looking for 50%+. A trial jury is looking for 99%+. If you can't clear the 50%+ mark (which is why Angela Corey skipped the Grand Jury and that's how the Zimmerman case was actually lost by the prosecution), then you're dead meat when it comes to clearing the 99%+ bar.

In the Michael Brown case it was pretty damn clear from the outset that there wasn't enough to get a conviction. It would take smoke and mirrors to get an indictment, let alone a conviction. Yes, the prosecutor COULD have gotten an indictment if he really, really spun it. And then what? Wilson goes 100% free after the trial, after millions of dollars are spent both on his lawyers and on the prosecution and the circus of the trial, all for a dead case that would have 0% chance of winning.

Not getting in indictment means the prosecution can still keep digging for more information, for more witnesses, and keep trying.

Do I think they're going to? No. Because unless some new evidentiary bombshell drops, which I don't happen to think is likely, the Brown case is done. But if a video comes out that shows Brown with his hands up and meekly obeying orders when Wilson shoots him dead, not going to trial means you can still prosecute Wilson. If you went to trial, Wilson was found not guilty, and THEN you find the video, Wilson stays free. Double jeopardy. At that point, he's immune on murder charges.

Is any of that getting through to you people? Yes, the prosecutors are chickening out. They're chickening out the SMART way, by leaving their options open (which Angela Crowley didn't, in a fit of grandstanding stupidity). while also not wasting time, money, and effort that would be better directed towards cases the could be WON.

Prosecutors in most jurisdictions have really good conviction rates. Like 90%+ rates. The feds get something like 99% convictions when they actually go to trial. There's a reason for that: they like slam dunks. They like to bury the opposition. All of these terrible, tragic cases are set up to bury the prosecution instead.
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Nuprin001, I'm not familiar with the GJ process in the States, but is it adversarial as in a trial, or is it just the prosecutor laying down all the info for the GJ to decide? Also, is the evidence presented vetted as well as it would be in a trial? If not, maybe the wrong conclusions are arrived?
 
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trtinajax said:
In the Brown case, Wilson's declaration that he was going to shoot Brown followed by the act of pulling his gun meant that it became Brown who was in fear for his life and therefore entitled to defend himself as determined by the jury in the George Zimmerman trial. At that Wilson's life was no longer in danger after Brown ran away.
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Why didn't the real GJ members see this?
 
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trtinajax said:
I've seen the video and didn't see where he resisted arrest other than perhaps arguing with the cop in a peaceful manner. Perhaps it was his pleading 11 times that he couldn't breath that constituted the resisting arrest allegation. Could a District Attorney successfully argue that a white cop has the right to shoot and kill a black jay walker because the jay walker didn't obey a "lawful" police order to stop where he was in the middle of the road? We certainly seem to be heading there.

It won't be long before the black community will be able to start killing white cops and use the excuse "I was fearful for my life - I feared he would just shoot me".
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+1..its the line police are taking, which in the end will lead to more violence.... people should check out the comments sections at the policeone,com ... it reads like a gym room locker where cops bitch about blacks... alot... and make slightly racist to full out racist comments...btw memebers are all verified police..
 
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look here. if you read my posts I certainly don't support that meatball that got killed in Ferguson. But this one is bad. I don't hear ay any time that you are under arrest. What I do hear is I can't breath. The police officer should have been charged and would have had a chance to argue it out in front of a group of his peers. my two cents
 
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I copy pasted http://www.policeone.com/Crowd-Control/articles/7921845-No-indictment-in-NYPD-in-custody-death
Posted by haziz on Thursday, December 04, 2014 01:01 AM Pacific Report Abuse
President just does NOT understand - it is NOT police who need modify or change their approach to public encounters with blacks, BUT blacks who must not turn almost every encounter with police into a racial incident.
My 5 tips on how black and others can survive a police encounter with police are very simple and if you stop and think about it make a lot of sense:
1.Do NOT under any circumstance ARGUE with police out in the street. You cannot win an argument with police out in the field.
2.2. Do NOt raise your voice, but stay cool and calm. Do NOT make any quick or aggressive movements. Remember the police officer does NOT know you and will react to protect himself or those around him.
3.Police know that hands kill, so always keep your hands in plain sight. Before you move your hands ask permission, officer I need to go into my back pocket to get my ID, is that OK with you?
4.NEVER run from police even if you are innocent. When you run you create a heightened sense that something must be wrong here.
5.DO NOT resist arrest – if you do one of three things is going to happen:
a.You are going to get beat down till you stop resisting
b.You are going to get injured or accidentally killed
c.And you are going to have charges taken out against you

This guy is utterly crazy and sad to see this is murica:frown:
 
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