So you're saying that they should have beaten him in to submission instead?Basic handcuffing techniques include various wrist locks, armbars and strikes to major muscle groups to induce pain compliance. A choke should be reserved for when lethal force is justifiable, but using the firearm isn't. The police in this scenario escalated the situation and used a lethal technique (which isn't even taught in that agency) when it was not justifiable to do so.
Was the subject viscously curb stomping someone? No, a choke was inappropriate and excessive; it is never taught as a control technique for that level of resistance.
And therefore he must die? That's one fucked up world view. As for him "resisting" and being "under arrest", you make me wonder what video you saw that no one else has watched.You're seriously dense. They were there arresting him, he chose to resist.
Striking the right areas; major muscle groups like the quadriceps is justifiable and lower on the use of force model than a choke, which again is lethal force. Bruised is better than dead.So you're saying that they should have beaten him in to submission instead?
Ya know I didn't see any officers with their weapons drawn. However if he (E. Gardner) had pulled a weapon such as a gun or knife then I could see them justified in using lethal force such as drawing their weapons.Would it have been reasonable and within the police officers' rights to shoot him in the head to subdue him?
Bruised is better than dead. But ya know what is even better? Actually listening to the officer and getting arrested, then make bail and then get released. He (E. Gardner) did it 30 times before.Striking the right areas; major muscle groups like the quadriceps is justifiable and lower on the use of force model than a choke, which again is lethal force. Bruised is better than dead.
I don't give a shit if the subject was guilty or not, that's not what I'm arguing, the police responded with excessive force. The police don't have a license to kill, there must be accountability, there must be reason and justification. Resisting arrest should not be a death sentence.Bruised is better than dead. But ya know what is even better. Actually listening to the officer and getting arrested, then make bail and then get released. He (E. Gardner) did it 30 times before.
Ya know not all repeat criminal offenders are saints.
Saint or not, his crime was not great enough to be punishable by death. Detaining some one who is actively resisting doesn't require or justify lethal force. Was anyone else at immediate risk of grievous bodily harm or death, police included? No, use of force training dictates that the wrong level of force was used. Enforcing the law doesn't put them above it, if police can't follow rules, why should anyone else?And what I think is that is that you should give a shit. Criminals aren't saints.
If you commit a crime, expect to be detained, EVEN if you don't want to be detained.
If you have a prior medical condition then you really don't want to get in to a fight with police.
If you've been arrested 30 previous times, what difference does 1 more time make especially with such a small charge.
Yea, a real shame. It's plain to see that you're really moved by it.Stop trying to twist shit, I never said he deserved to die and I'm sure the officers didn't think he would either. He died because of underlying medical issues caused by his arrest, mainly the weight applied to his chest while on the ground. Shame it happened, but it's a shame he didn't just comply.
I agree, he shouldn't have died. Do you disagree that he shouldn't have resisted being handcuffed?Saint or not, his crime was not great enough to be punishable by death. Detaining some one who is actively resisting doesn't require or justify lethal force. Was anyone else at immediate risk of grievous bodily harm or death, police included? No, use of force training dictates that the wrong level of force was used. Enforcing the law doesn't put them above it, if police can't follow rules, why should anyone else?
No. Do you agree that he shouldn't have worn yellow socks? Because he really shouldn't have. It's a fashion crime. And for some reason, I think that is crucial and of equal relevance to the fact that HE WAS FUCKING MURDERED. Idiot.I agree, he shouldn't have died. Do you disagree that he shouldn't have resisted being handcuffed?
Lethal force should not have been used, active resistance does not justify that level of force.I agree, he shouldn't have died. Do you disagree that he shouldn't have resisted being handcuffed?
What's wrong with yellow socks?No. Do you agree that he shouldn't have worn yellow socks? Because he really shouldn't have. It's a fashion crime. And for some reason, I think that is crucial and of equal relevance to the fact that HE WAS FUCKING MURDERED. Idiot.
You just said that they should have beaten him. The guy had asthma and had been arrested 30 previous times. He had to be familiar with the arrest procedure before. They let him go 30 previous times over 30 years.Lethal force should not have been used, active resistance does not justify that level of force.
YEs yes. Whatever. But the socks, man. Do you agree about the socks or not? Why are you not focusing on this absolutely critical detail of the incident?If you don't want to do the time, don't do the crime.
If you have asthma, don't fight with police when they want to handcuff you.
He should have learned that at least once the 30 previous arrests over 30 years.
Dude, stop peeing on your socks.YEs yes. Whatever. But the socks, man. Do you agree about the socks or not? Why are you not focusing on this absolutely critical detail of the incident?
Certain strikes to certain areas would have been more appropriate than using lethal force. You're basically supporting summary execution with no due process or recourse.You just said that they should have beaten him. The guy had asthma and had been arrested 30 previous times. He had to be familiar with the arrest procedure before. They let him go 30 previous times over 30 years.
You're saying that everyone who gets detained dies? Cause I've been detained by PD and i talked my way out without dying. Have you ever been arrested or detained by PD?Certain strikes to certain areas would have been more appropriate than using lethal force. You're basically supporting summary execution with no due process or recourse.
