offical lindros a leaf

[handsome sugardaddy]

So far up front we have:
Mogilny - gone /injury concerns
Nolan - gone/injury concerns
Nieuwendyk - gone
Roberts - gone

O'Neill - in
Lindros - in/injury concerns
Allison - in /injury concerns


So far, not bad. If we get Carter at worst it's a break even, more like a gain. I take Lindros & Allison as a wash with Alex & Owen because of the injuriy issues. O'Neill & Carter definitely are better than Joe & Gary. They are younger and likely faster. Evene if only one of Lindros & Allison pays off then the Leafs will be a lot better, both have enormous upside and are well worth the risk.
On defence we loose Leetch, but only had him for a few games, and picked up Khavanov(sp). Toughto say given Letch's short stay in T.O.

They aren't looking too bad at this point, not in Ottawa's or Philly's class but really no one else in the East is that strong.

I'll rate Ottawa ahead of the Leafs.........but until I see what the new kids that are on Philly do, I won't concede that they are better than the Leafs. If the two kids, Carter and Richards do not contribute to the team, at least 40 points each. Then I will go out on a limb here and predict the Leafs finish in front of the Philly Flyers.

 

[the_big_E]

Steve Thomas? Upside?

let me get my abacus..............................42

 

[Sarge]

What is with all the concern about Allison and injuries?

From what I understand he's had at least 2 years of healing to do. And it wasn't a concussion that he suffered from, it was severe whiplash (it was however originally diagnosed as a concussion because he had concussion-like symptoms). I seen him on OTR a couple weeks ago and according to him it's a non-issue now.

I'm not saying "I'm right", I honestly want some clarification on this.

 

[handsome sugardaddy]

What is with all the concern about Allison and injuries?

From what I understand he's had at least 2 years of healing to do. And it wasn't a concussion that he suffered from, it was severe whiplash (it was however originally diagnosed as a concussion because he had concussion-like symptoms). I seen him on OTR a couple weeks ago and according to him it's a non-issue now.

I'm not saying "I'm right", I honestly want some clarification on this.

You are correct.......Allison suffered a severe whiplash. To compound the matter worse, rather than sitting out, he played within a week, and got kneeed in the head by his own player.

His problem was a severe whiplash and the after effects.

Furthermore.........everyone has been saying about Allison and Lindros with their injuries. Peter Forsberg last season, first suffered a broken hand, then when he returned, he suffered a concussion. The amazing thing about this is, this was not in the NHL, but in the Swedish League. The swedish league has never been known as a league with a high degree of physical contact. So me thinks, that Mr. Forsberg may be a bit fragile himself.

Funny how nobody ever mentions how fragile he is.

 

[the_big_E]

That's because he's not fragile, he's perhaps injury prone which are 2 different things.

look at his career numbers: http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/players/333/career

Only 2 seasons drastically reduced due to injury.

I would still have to say Allison and Lindros are more risky than Forsberg.

But I will agree with you on how Forsberg sustained a concussion in the Swedish League...it will be a little different I think this season

 

[shack]

I would still have to say Allison and Lindros are more risky than Forsberg.

And that's why the Leafs are only paying them 1/4 of what Forsberg's getting.

 

[handsome sugardaddy]

here's how I see it

Peter Forsberg......$5.7 million per year.....projected numbers for a good year, 45 goals, 60 assists.......total of 105 points.


Eric Lindros........1.5 million...........half a year of playtime........15 goals, 25 assists......40 points.

Jeff O'neill..........1.5 million.........3/4 year playtime.........20 goals....25 assists.......45 points.

Jason Allison........1.5 million..........3/4 year playtime........25 goals.....40 assists.....65 points.

Total for leaf players..........60 goals.......90 assists........150 points.

All that for 4.5 million.

Not bad for a GM that is out ot lunch.....missed the train.....asleep at the wheel......has no plan.........being schooled by his contemporarys and all the other cliche's that have been said about Fergy.

Anaylsis........safe projected totals........The Leaf trifecta get 50% more points than Forsber, and the Leafs still have 1.2 million to play with.

Worse case scenarios........Forsberg gets hurt, and the Flyers are fucked big time.

In order for the Leafs to be fucked big time.......all THREE of the Leaf signings would have to get hurt.

Anybody still think that Fergy is an idiot??

He accompolished, more with less than did Mr. Clarke.

Imagine that!!!

 

[Dimitri]

still work left

there is still so work lreft for fergie if he wants to compete with phil and ott. One more tp 6 forward and 1 more top 4 def or an upgrade on one of are so called top 4.

 

[Manji]

How much money does Ferguson have left to play with?

 

[handsome sugardaddy]

That's because he's not fragile, he's perhaps injury prone which are 2 different things.

look at his career numbers: http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/players/333/career

Only 2 seasons drastically reduced due to injury.

I would still have to say Allison and Lindros are more risky than Forsberg.

But I will agree with you on how Forsberg sustained a concussion in the Swedish League...it will be a little different I think this season

Okay, Peter Forsberg out of a possible 820 games he played in 580.......70.73% games played.

Jason Allison.......out of a possible 648 games he played in 463........71.45%.

Eric Lindro's.......out of a possible 904 games he played in 678........75.00 %

Jeff O'Neill.........out of a possible 676 games he played in 608........89.94 %

So does anyone out there care to explain to me how it is that the Leafs signed a bunch of players that are prone to injury, when in FACT, it is Peter Forsberg who has the worse injury downtime of all of them.

Bobby Clarke, if he wasn't married to the owner's daughter would get fired for the disaster after repeated disasters that he continually does.

Get a grip Leaf fans........Fergy has outsmarted every single manager out there.

 

[handsome sugardaddy]

there is still so work lreft for fergie if he wants to compete with phil and ott. One more tp 6 forward and 1 more top 4 def or an upgrade on one of are so called top 4.

Philadelphia is not a threat to the Leafs...........Ottawa is the threat. And if they lose Marion Hossa, then the Leafs have the greater talent.

 

[Dimitri]

your not counting severity

forsberg had some problems that one shot might not take him out again...but its a fact one hot can end eric and thats plain and simple and another guy hasnt played in almost 3 years they are big question marks...iam a true blue die hard leaf fan...i hope that allision returns to form and lindros never misses one more game but its a great concern a bit more serious then peter. and philly is a threat.....they have are number so far and they are not a bad team especially if carter and richards can be a force then they can be a handful...and still there peter, keith and gagne...but ott is scary to..bc they have most of their pieces ..even without hossa they can use some of his money sign a high scoring winger..ott is big trouble and have a great top 4...BUT hasek to me is a big question mark...and iam betting he dosent finish year.

 

[handsome sugardaddy]

forsberg had some problems that one shot might not take him out again...but its a fact one hot can end eric and thats plain and simple and another guy hasnt played in almost 3 years they are big question marks...iam a true blue die hard leaf fan...i hope that allision returns to form and lindros never misses one more game but its a great concern a bit more serious then peter. and philly is a threat.....they have are number so far and they are not a bad team especially if carter and richards can be a force then they can be a handful...and still there peter, keith and gagne...but ott is scary to..bc they have most of their pieces ..even without hossa they can use some of his money sign a high scoring winger..ott is big trouble and have a great top 4...BUT hasek to me is a big question mark...and iam betting he dosent finish year.

I predict the Leafs finish first overall in the East.

 

[the rusty tromb]

Wouldn't it be cool if Handsome Sugardaddy was actually Ferguson?

 

[Goober Mcfly]

BLEEDING blue and white for a lifetime....

A-HA! I get it now!

All you Leaf fans have some rare blood disorder and hemophilia! Explains a lot.

I predict the Leafs finish first overall in the East.

Not to mention mental delusions...

 

[kevdidit]

The Toronto Maple Leafs had once again eliminated the Ottawa Senators in the finals. Afterwards, Mats Sundin was bugging Daniel Alfredsson while on a bus ride they were taking for Team Sweden. Suddenly the bus goes out of control and goes off the side of a cliff. Daniel Alfredsson realizes he's at the Pearly Gates and he's being greated by God himself. God gives Alfredsson a personal tour of heaven and explains to him how space is at a premium and shows him his new house. The house is pretty small but it's covered with Ottawa Senator logos. Alfredsson is pretty content with his new house until he looks over and sees a HUGE house next door with Toronto Maple Leaf logos all over it. Alfredsson asks why Mats Sundin gets a house that's so much bigger.
God says, "That ain't Sundin's house... that's MY house!"

 

[Sarge]

That's because he's not fragile, he's perhaps injury prone which are 2 different things.

look at his career numbers: http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/players/333/career

Only 2 seasons drastically reduced due to injury.

I would still have to say Allison and Lindros are more risky than Forsberg.

But I will agree with you on how Forsberg sustained a concussion in the Swedish League...it will be a little different I think this season

heh. If you look a little closer you will see an entire season is missing. 01/02 If I remember correctly.

Forsberg comes with the same risks as Lindros does. The only difference is it's only costing the Leafs much less.

I don't know what all the fuss is about from non-Leaf fans. It's a no-brainer that any team in the league would have jumped at signing Lindros for 1.5 million. Anybody who says otherwise is lying thru his teeth and are, quite simply, jealous. I can guarantee you we would be having this same conversation if the Leafs had signed Forsberg ("hahahaha, Peter's injury prone! Good luck with that Leaf losers!!! DURRRRRRRRRR")

 

[handsome sugardaddy]

heh. If you look a little closer you will see an entire season is missing. 01/02 If I remember correctly.

Forsberg comes with the same risks as Lindros does. The only difference is it's only costing the Leafs much less.

I don't know what all the fuss is about from non-Leaf fans. It's a no-brainer that any team in the league would have jumped at signing Lindros for 1.5 million. Anybody who says otherwise is lying thru his teeth and are, quite simply, jealous. I can guarantee you we would be having this same conversation if the Leafs had signed Forsberg ("hahahaha, Peter's injury prone! Good luck with that Leaf losers!!! DURRRRRRRRRR")

Forsberg missed an entire season due to injury. He returned for the playoffs that year.

Lindros missed an entire season, but he missed it because he was holding out for that trade to the Leafs. Which never occured. Clarke traded Lindros after the season ended around the time of the draft.

For purposes of doing the calculations that I did. I did not include the season that Lindros sat out. I did include the entire season that Forsberg missed though. In my mind, unless i'm mistaken, Lindros sat out not due to a injury. I may be mistaken, if I am and someone can provide me with the facts for that lost season, then I shall make the necessary adustments to the injury downtime calculation that i had provided.

 

[handsome sugardaddy]

I just realized, that the 94/95 season was a shortened season, due to the strike that occured that year. When I did the calculations in regards to injury time and games played, I calculated that entire season at 82 games. This was done for all players concerned so although the calculations are off due to me calculating too many eligible games, this was done for all the players, therefore no one players stats are biased to another.

Sorry for the oversight on my part.

 

[shack]

How much money does Ferguson have left to play with?

I heard him say he had $4mil left to sign Antropov, Ponikarovski, Perrot and Wilm and today Antropov and Wilm accepted their qualifying offers.